GamingKaiju
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LMAO 😂 I saw it and my phone would not correct it so I had to change my sentence.. I was hoping no one would notice before my stealth edit.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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LMAO 😂 I saw it and my phone would not correct it so I had to change my sentence.. I was hoping no one would notice before my stealth edit.
Zelenogorsk
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ignorance is bliss
DragonGirl
Banned
Nothing specific to PC interests me. My main interest is Nintendo so there you go. Also I'm not interested in upgrading/spending the money to upgrade to keep up with new game requirements. I'll just buy a new box every 5 years while keeping the old box too.
Lister
Banned
You cna do that wiht PC too...
But I guess if I went about trying to point this out to eveyr person here utterly ignorant of the actual state of PC gmaing I'd probably have to replicate the entire thread.
Rbk_3
Member
Nice, similar here, I just jumped into PC gaming and built an i7 6700k/1080 GTX rig just before Christmas. I am playing on my KS8000 Samsung TV, but plan on getting a 1440p GSync monitor at some point to go along with the above setup for FPS and games that are not suitable for the couch/controller.
I plan on getting a gaming PC sometime in the near future but I am saving money and I don't even play games like I use to so for now I will just stick to my reg PS4. I am pretty much done with getting consoles even though I am considering the Switch but that is even questionable.
DragonGirl
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I'm not interested in emulating Nintendo games, so no.
Edit: I don't have a gaming machine and I'm not interested in putting one together for all of the games I'm not interested in playing.
bobs...onGaf
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Putting Nintendo games exclusivity aside.
'you can do that on PC too' isn't enough of a reason to actually stop doing it on console.
Can you see why preaching that someone should change their approach because your approach is on par is not actually a very enticing proposition?
Hollywood Hitman
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Nice man, I actually was going to buy the ks8000 but I figured a 49" on my desk was a bit overkill lol so I went with the x800D and 43" is about perfect. But the Epson is what has totally taken over for my display. I had an X34 Predator I just sold to a fellow here on gaf, gorgeous monitor but so much Pc gaming lately as I said was on the Epson I just figured I didn't need a 1300 monitor not being used.
Yea most of my shooter stuff I do on console since my other pals are there, so my Pc gaming is all typically single player stuff where 60hz 4k makes for a great experience.
I'm trying to get Cnut here as well, was a nice surprise to see ya today
Hollywood Hitman
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You really need to see Wii games in 4k tho sometime if you ever get the opportunity. Trust me, it is a sight to behold to see skyward sword, xenoblade etc... In 4k. It's mind blowing actually.
CollectedDust
Member
I have a gaming PC (i7 6700k, 16GB, 980ti) and all the current consoles.
I spend 95% of my gaming time on consoles. It's really an ease of use thing for me. Also, I do have a controller for my PC (x1 elite) and use a Razor Turrent... but still, I prefer my x1 and PS4 Pro.
Note: I'm a big fan of gaming in a recliner. I'd probably use my PC more if I liked sitting at a desk... but desks are for work
I spend 95% of my gaming time on consoles. It's really an ease of use thing for me. Also, I do have a controller for my PC (x1 elite) and use a Razor Turrent... but still, I prefer my x1 and PS4 Pro.
Note: I'm a big fan of gaming in a recliner. I'd probably use my PC more if I liked sitting at a desk... but desks are for work
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Deleted member 752119
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I have a gaming PC (i7 6700k, 16GB, 980ti) and all the current consoles.
I spend 95% of my gaming time on consoles. It's really an ease of use thing for me. Also, I do have a controller for my PC (x1 elite) and use a Razor Turrent... but still, I prefer my x1 and PS4 Pro.
Note: I'm a big fan of gaming in a recliner. I'd probably use my PC more if I liked sitting at a desk... but desks are for work
I agree. I wouldn't have gotten into PC gaming if I didn't finally have the space and money for a big enough place where I could have an office/mancave combined room. Small desk for working at home, but also have an HDMI from the PC to the mancave TV and I do all my PC gaming the same was my console--with a controller in my recliner.
Only difference is having to walk to the desk to launch steam in big picture mode before sitting down in the recliner with the controller, which is no biggie as my PC is usually on, and if not boots in under 10 seconds (SSD boot drive).
But if I didn't have an easy way to have my workspace and gaming TV near each other, I wouldn't bother with PC gaming either as I hate sitting as a desk for anything other than work and couldn't justify the cost for a second PC just for gaming at the TV in another part of the house. Steam Link wouldn't work as I can't easily run ethernet (just rent a house) and wifi interference is bad here and already required and extender to get decent signal from the router in my office to other parts of the house.
Note: I'm a big fan of gaming in a recliner. I'd probably use my PC more if I liked sitting at a desk... but desks are for work
Sounds to me GAF is just office workers.
Ya'll need to get your hands dirty
lebowski4ever
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it's just easier to play on consoles..not arsed about graphics particularly, so there is literally no reason for me to game on a pc.
Yeah, same here.
That said, most of the time I enjoy my work on PCs, so maybe that helps
Rbk_3
Member
You too, man.
So I guess the whole 144hz/Gcync experience didn't ruin 60hz for you? That's one thing I am worried about.
Too expensive for me atm for the initial cost, have to go fully new, no recycling, complete keyboard, mouse, monitor and everything as I got rid of my old gaming PC (Was a 5850 AMD build).
Planning on getting a job in another country so don't want to lug the above on a plane.
Not interested in its exclusives bar Civ 6. The graphical upgrades on multiplatforms don't interest me anymore (however I will always love 60fps and fast loading).
I do miss PC gaming, I have Doom on PS4 and I can't stand using a pad for it, but I just cannot be bothered sitting down hunched over a monitor a foot away from me anymore. So NOT COMFY ENOUGH.
Planning on getting a job in another country so don't want to lug the above on a plane.
Not interested in its exclusives bar Civ 6. The graphical upgrades on multiplatforms don't interest me anymore (however I will always love 60fps and fast loading).
I do miss PC gaming, I have Doom on PS4 and I can't stand using a pad for it, but I just cannot be bothered sitting down hunched over a monitor a foot away from me anymore. So NOT COMFY ENOUGH.
I mean, the advantages of PC are pretty well documented.
- Full control over the performance and graphics tradeoffs you want to make.
- Prefer image quality over effects? You can do that. Or the other way around.
- Focus on framerate and input lag rather than pretty images? You get to make that choice, rather than the developer.
- Shadows really important, but won't give motion blur the time of the day? Go ahead!
- Full control over which input device you want to use, and how you want to use it.
- Mouse/keyboard, controllers, arcade sticks, specialty devices, or any combination of them.
- Fully-featured remapping independent of individual games and across all of them.
- Your expensive flight stick / wheel / whatever from 6 years ago still works and is unlikely to be deprecated by an artificial generation transition.
- Perpetual forward- and backward compatibility.
- This doesn't just mean that the games you bought will still work in the future, but also that you have access to additional games from 20+ years of storied history.
- When you get a new GPU, your existing library gets a "HD Remaster" upgrade. Except you don't need to pay for it.
- A few years on, when you want to replay some particular game, the device you need to do so isn't put away in storage somewhere (this really annoys me with consoles).
- Access to third-party tools and mods which extend the customization and feature-set of games beyond what was envisioned by the original developers.
- Gameplay changes - hate the weight limit? Feel like the food/drink requirements aren't punishing enough? Enemies are bullet sponges? Change it!
- Full high quality screenshot and video capture options in everything, without the developer getting a way to prevent that.
- Graphical enhancements of course, which can range from minor post-processing to major overhauls.
- Bugfixes being worked on up to a decade after a game's release by dedicated fans.
- A massive variety of options and form factors for your gaming hardware.
- If you want to go high-end you can get enthusiast-grade equipment and things like 144 Hz monitors.
- On the other hand, you can also play the vast majority of games on a small and cheap system.
- If it fits your use case, you even have the option of getting a portable device (laptop) to take your gaming with you.
- Very often, the first platform on which to experience new things in the gaming medium, because it's where most experimentation happens.
- New genres are generally invented there - most recently MOBAs, sandbox, and survival games.
- New technology is introduced: e.g. stereo rendering, VR, variable refresh.
- New distribution methods are explored, such as EA, crowdfunding.
- The largest and most diverse library of games.
- Some genres which almost don't exist outside the platform -- e.g. grand strategy, management.
- Lots of high quality exclusives in a variety of genres.
- Significant savings in ongoing gaming costs.
- Frequent and varied very cheap game bundles.
- A blooming third party reseller market for cheap game keys (I'm talking about the legitimate market here, e.g. GMG).
- Free online gaming and features such as ample cloud storage for save games.
If none of that is of sufficient interest to you, then sure, there is no reason to game on PC.
CollectedDust
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I agree. I wouldn't have gotten into PC gaming if I didn't finally have the space and money for a big enough place where I could have an office/mancave combined room. Small desk for working at home, but also have an HDMI from the PC to the mancave TV and I do all my PC gaming the same was my console--with a controller in my recliner.
Only difference is having to walk to the desk to launch steam in big picture mode before sitting down in the recliner with the controller, which is no biggie as my PC is usually on, and if not boots in under 10 seconds (SSD boot drive).
But if I didn't have an easy way to have my workspace and gaming TV near each other, I wouldn't bother with PC gaming either as I hate sitting as a desk for anything other than work and couldn't justify the cost for a second PC just for gaming at the TV in another part of the house. Steam Link wouldn't work as I can't easily run ethernet (just rent a house) and wifi interference is bad here and already required and extender to get decent signal from the router in my office to other parts of the house.
To clarify, my PC is hooked up to my projector in my mancave. I also have a home office, but I prefer to keep my gaming stuff at a minimum there. When I play pc games, I typically launch the game with the Razor Turrent, then swap to a controller.
That said, I just prefer the console ecosystem. Maybe I'm an odd duck, but I only play very specific games on PC. Last year, it was Doom and BF1.
DragonGirl
Banned
I've seen them emulated in HD. They look nice, if a bit odd sometimes. 4K does nothing for me. I'm more interested in getting a refurbished Wii so I can play those games on my SD set and get them off my HD set.
ThatStupidLion
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biggest one currently and for the majority of my adult life, is that it's uncomfortable. the computer is usually in another room.I have a shitty desk and chair. and its a very exclusive activity. when i play a SP game on my tv, at least my wife can watch.
coupled with a bunch of other reasons. they jsut dont up to makign me want to jump in.
coupled with a bunch of other reasons. they jsut dont up to makign me want to jump in.
Trying my hardest not to get involved in this thread, but this was an excellent post.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
10/10 post
Conversely, the cons are also pretty well documented
- Consoles usually get "priority" treatment for a game. A lot falls under this umbrella, including releasing first on console, shitty ports (there are also shitty PC->console ports but that seems rarer especially among more serious titles), more likely to have unresolved bugs etc. (see: Batman Arkham Knight)
- Higher costs outside of the U.S. compared to consoles, including both hardware and software. I'm including things like your Steam key resellers here, which price everything in USD and are thus less good value to us here in Canada now; I can get PS4 games legit on disc for 20-50% off the already-lower-than-USD cost here so even with GreenManGaming 20% off coupons I'm still paying more, and can resell/trade the disc.
- Higher prevalence of cheating/hacking on PC. Definitely ruined Dark Souls 3 and The Division for some of my PC-playing friends.
- Not a "turnkey" solution. Even though PC gaming is the easiest it's ever been, it's still not console levels of easy, and a lot can still go wrong especially in the early days of a game's launch.
- Actually doable with a limited or non-existant internet connection. Definitely a minority who are impacted, but they exist nonetheless.
- This is slowly improving but people who play Japanese games aren't well-serviced by PC. This is including Japanese versions of Western games (e.g. Diablo 3, which is Playstation-exclusive in Japanese).
PC's vs. consoles is rife with pro's and cons on both sides, and informed individuals make a decision based on which cons they can deal with and which pros are most important to them.
Hollywood Hitman
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But how can 4k do nothing for you? You like ugly games?
Maybe he doesn't have a 4K TV? I have a shitload of screens but only one of them is 4K.
It's the one on my phone.
Both of your examples are only proof of dumb publisher decisions to release a game on an open platform with multiplayer and ZERO security.
If consoles we're equally open, and looking at the JTAG's etc, the effect is worse there.
Remember those JTAG MW2 days on Xbox. Dear lord.
Same for GTAV on PS3, whoo boy.
Hollywood Hitman
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But that's where it's headed, it's no different when 1080p was becoming a thing and people would fight and say they don't care about 1080p. But lol it's a good thing to see as we move forward, it just means better lookin games.
I just don't see how a gamer can not have any interest in 4k
Clinton514
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I started actually doing work on my PC plus tired of all the ram/vid card upgrades.
QuantumSquid
Member
1080p doesn't look ugly
games will have to be uglier in terms of framerate, texture quality and model quality in order to run at 4K.
But that's kind of the point. This industry is almost 100% "dumb publisher decisions" of some description and unfortunately PC gaming being less lucrative than the console side means it often gets the short end of the stick. Yeah, the JTAG fiasco was bad and things could well change when the PS4 and Xbox One are busted open, but for now online gaming on PS4/XB1 for games where there's no PS3/360 connectivity is "safe".
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Bolded only really applies to a small selection of AAA games designed with appealing to console users in mind, and contributes to my ongoing confusion as to why people act like AAA console games are the default 'game', and everything else is niche or not mainstream enough to be considered.
Basically I'm saying not as much falls under that umbrella as you'd have me believe, I think.
and "(See: Batman Arkham Knight)" is getting really old, just saying
it's not even like there's any shortage of more poignant examples to use from the recent past
it's so weird that Arkham Knight is the go-to example like it represented anything close to the standard experience with PC ports, especially at the time of its release
now we've got ports like Horizon 3, Dishonored 2, and Mankind Divided to point at
and yet
that's three games
three games that I can still run on my PC which I built late 2014 at a better clip than my PS4 Pro could manage
and which are only considered bad ports right now, just like Arkham Knight, because they can't be pushed as far as some players would like
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
But it's a natural progression. I mean there's zero reason for a gamer to not be excited for the possibilities of 4k
schwabdizzle
Banned
I am a console gamer now, but after this Gen, I am very tempted to just say fuck it and go to PC.
I'd like to reply to this one specifically, since unlike most of the games commonly cited in these discussions I've actually played Dark Souls 3. A lot. Personally, I've had over 400 online encounters in the game (yes, I made a note of each and every one, following similar discussions and discrepancies concerning DS1 and DS2) and only one of those was probably a cheater. 0.25% - hardly "ruining" my experience. I also have 3 friends who have played a lot of DS3 online and they report similar incident rates. It's all just anecdotal of course, but given the number of players encountered and 100+ hours we are taking about here I would really expect more issues in a "high prevalence" scenario.
I fully acknowledge all the advantages of PC gaming and do have a decent steam library. But as someone that can never choose what I really want to do (my adhd probably has to do with it), the more closed of console system is ideal for me. When I turn on my PS4 I will play a videogame and that just works for me (the tv with my ps4 also does not have any network attached to it so it really is a game-only corner for me).
My laptop and desktop always get cluttered with films, series, novels, literature, graphics novels, emulators, software packages etc. etc. And for almost every game I boot up on PC I never manage to find a setting where I am completely happy, whereas when it is imposed on my I don't really care unless it really runs like garbage. I honestly can't help it and this is me talking about almost 20 years of PC gaming on the side, so by now I know myself good enough to never truly invest in it other than playing some PC-exclusives every now and then. I am aware this may seem silly to some, but I think this applies to more people.
Furthermore, my life is busy enough. While I fully believe many people have zero problems, I seem to consistently attract errors/bugs/compatability issues. For every couple of titles that require little optimization (that also cost me time), there is always one that straight up doesn't work, runs like absolute garbage despite being easy to handle for my hardware etc. Probably bad luck.
My laptop and desktop always get cluttered with films, series, novels, literature, graphics novels, emulators, software packages etc. etc. And for almost every game I boot up on PC I never manage to find a setting where I am completely happy, whereas when it is imposed on my I don't really care unless it really runs like garbage. I honestly can't help it and this is me talking about almost 20 years of PC gaming on the side, so by now I know myself good enough to never truly invest in it other than playing some PC-exclusives every now and then. I am aware this may seem silly to some, but I think this applies to more people.
Furthermore, my life is busy enough. While I fully believe many people have zero problems, I seem to consistently attract errors/bugs/compatability issues. For every couple of titles that require little optimization (that also cost me time), there is always one that straight up doesn't work, runs like absolute garbage despite being easy to handle for my hardware etc. Probably bad luck.
MilkyJoe
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OK, how easy is it to set up Dolphin, and what spec do you need for flawless performance?
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Deleted member 752119
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Meh. I don't think it's that hard to understand. There's plenty of people who just aren't audio/videophiles. On top of that, a lot of screen sizes/viewing distances make the benefits of 4K negligible. It's a big benefit for PC gamers sitting close to a big monitor. Much less so for someone sitting 8-10+ feet away from a 50-55" TV.
Back to the most people not being audio/videophiles, look at how better music disc formats couldn't compete with CDs and died off, and even CDs couldn't compete with lower quality MP3s and streaming and have become more of a niche item. Now Blurays/UHD movie sales are starting to decline as more people just stream. Just look at how much the CD and DVD/BR sections of most Best Buys have shrunk in recent years.
That's a big reason lots of console gamers just don't care about PCs. If they're just playing console exclusives and the big AAA multiplats and are happy with the graphics, there's not much appeal to PC gaming as all they'd get is better graphics and performance in those multiplats since they're not interested in PC exclusives. And the average Joe playing the mainstream console AAAs just doesn't care about Civilization, Sim games, MOBAs, RTS, CRPGs etc. and are likely to be off put by the steeper learning curves and more complicated mechanics when they just want to fire up a comfortable game a few times a week and veg out.
PC gaming in general is just going to always sku more to the hardcore gamer, with more varied tastes, who like more complex games and who tend to be audio/videophile types who care greatly about getting the best possible performance with their budget. There's nothing wrong with that at all whatsoever. I just don't see why it's hard to see that others don't care about any of that, don't care about 4K etc.
TLDR; lot's of people just don't care about the graphics/visual art part of gaming as a hobby and just enjoy the gameplay, shooting fools online with friends etc. and basically just begrudgingly buy a new console every 5-7 years (and usually not at/near launch) to be able to keep playing CoD, Madden, Fifa etc. with their buddies who upgraded.
It is extremely easy to set up, just download it and run it.
And any gpu from the last 5 years can handle 4k wii games.
Edit: the most difficult step is ripping wii discs.
MilkyJoe
Member
Duely noted, cheers!
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Yea he beat me to it, it's definitely an easy process and like I said nuts when you see games that looked like jaggedy messes turn into gorgeous, clean, sharp lookin games.
But that's kind of it, games which are properly PC-exclusive are becoming increasingly scarce. Sure there are a lot of games which exist outside of the AAA space and a massive chunk of them are available on console, sometimes even console first. PC-first titles are nowhere near as common as they used to be and they almost never stay that way, getting a console release eventually. Meanwhile the consoles tend to have more "persistent" exclusives, like anything published by Sony (Uncharted, Last of Us, Until Dawn, God of War) isn't coming to PC, also game franchises like Yakuza, Persona.
All of that being said, I do still play PC games especially when that's the only option for a title I'm interested in, but that's getting increasingly rare to the point where in a world where I had to go all-in on either PS4 or PC, PS4 would win no contest. I can definitely see people who are heavy into game modding or strategy genres would vote PC, though, and that's fine.
EDIT oh my you added quite a bit there. I'll list some other games with seriously hamstrung PC releases.
Pro Evolution Soccer
Dead or Alive 5 and anything by Koei Tecmo
Mortal Kombat X
I mean ultimately we can live with our respective "favorite" platform's cons but not with the other platform's cons. People are different, no one in this thread is going to convince anyone to change sides (and to be clear I'm not trying to do this, only trying to show my point of view).
DragonGirl
Banned
Let's not turn this into an ugly discussion with ugly assumptions.
edit: Not everyone has the same priorities and counting pixels is not one of mine, especially when I can not see enough of a difference to be moved to care much less feel excitement.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Excellent post. Most of those points are either something I don't care about or something I don't care about enough to invest in an entirely new platform, so I'm good passing on the PC.
PensivePen
Member
Too many distractions when playing on PC. I don't 'refuse' to play games on PC, there are plenty that I have done so. But I generally find that when I play on PC I have a harder time enjoying longer play sessions without being distracted by messages from people, the internet, and any other number of things. This is entirely on me of course and not a fault of the platform.
Aside from that there's also the familiarity factor. I have been playing games on consoles for most of my life. And so it feels much more natural/comfortable to me.
Aside from that there's also the familiarity factor. I have been playing games on consoles for most of my life. And so it feels much more natural/comfortable to me.
Hollywood Hitman
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All I'm saying Is that just like the advancement into 1080p was exciting to see, the natural progression is 4k which looks ridiculously awesome....how can you not be interested in that? I mean I'm asking genuinely, and a person doesn't need to be a videophile to be stoked about the possibility of 4k.
There's actually things on that list that I haven't thought of, even as someone who mainly plays on a PC. I should probably save the list for possible future needs.
personnaly I just don't see the value in making the jump to 4k, the cost is too high for what it's worth to me
1080p is already pretty enough for me and resolution is just really low on my list of priority. I'd rather buy $1000 worth of fun games at 1080 than buy a new $1000 TV (keep in mind, canadian dollar) to play or watch stuff in 4k
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