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What's stopping you from not touching those setting or dealing with the geforce experience bs?
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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What's stopping you from not touching those setting or dealing with the geforce experience bs?
So should I understand this statenet as "Having the freedom to tweak setting is distracting you from playing the game????" :-O
You CAN do all the fiddling with settings IF you want when you install some game for the FIRST time and then you never have to.
Sure its horrible to spend few minutes to do it IF YOU WANT, I know.
Duxxy3
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I have a good gaming PC, but I tend to avoid it when possible.
I can't use a mouse any longer. At least not for any length of time. I'm limited to a very slow trackball and controllers. The trackball is fine when I'm on my own, but worthless for online games and twitch games. The controller is usually fine, when it's supported.
PC games tend to be optimized for mouse and keyboard first. So even when a game has controller support, it still might not feel the same as the console version. I ran into this with Wolfenstein The New Order. It supported controls, but it didn't feel right.
Older games obviously don't support controllers, or you have to use xpadder. And at that point I don't even bother with the game.
Multiplayer on PC for me is not even an option. Even if a game does support a pad, I will get massacred by KB/M players. I don't get multiplayer games on PC for that reason alone.
And then there are the games that run poorly. The first ones that come to mind are MW:R Multiplayer and and older game, Prototype 2. I've avoided Dishonored 2 and other games because of reported PC performance issues.
Honestly at this point I just want my gaming device to "just work". Put in the disk or cartridge and go. No settings to worry about. No controller issues (this is also why I avoid the PS4 when possible). No worries about KB/M players in multiplayer.
Sure, I lose out in graphics. I know that. It's the reason I'm so excited for the Scorpio. I already have a system that matches up, or exceeds, the Scorpio. And I want a console that can come close to that experience.
I can't use a mouse any longer. At least not for any length of time. I'm limited to a very slow trackball and controllers. The trackball is fine when I'm on my own, but worthless for online games and twitch games. The controller is usually fine, when it's supported.
PC games tend to be optimized for mouse and keyboard first. So even when a game has controller support, it still might not feel the same as the console version. I ran into this with Wolfenstein The New Order. It supported controls, but it didn't feel right.
Older games obviously don't support controllers, or you have to use xpadder. And at that point I don't even bother with the game.
Multiplayer on PC for me is not even an option. Even if a game does support a pad, I will get massacred by KB/M players. I don't get multiplayer games on PC for that reason alone.
And then there are the games that run poorly. The first ones that come to mind are MW:R Multiplayer and and older game, Prototype 2. I've avoided Dishonored 2 and other games because of reported PC performance issues.
Honestly at this point I just want my gaming device to "just work". Put in the disk or cartridge and go. No settings to worry about. No controller issues (this is also why I avoid the PS4 when possible). No worries about KB/M players in multiplayer.
Sure, I lose out in graphics. I know that. It's the reason I'm so excited for the Scorpio. I already have a system that matches up, or exceeds, the Scorpio. And I want a console that can come close to that experience.
Lister
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This is such nonsense. "performance" problems on games like Dishonered 2, were aroudn launch window only, and then, they amounted to not being a stable 60 FPS at high settings.
But, yeah, instead let's go on the PS4, where the game isn't a stable 30 FPS and it's definitley not runnign at PC high settings AND can't even hold 1080p some fo the time! That's the ticket!
Lister
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Oh, I see. I'm sorry, I didn't know PC gamers had to be better than console gamers otherwise we automatically lose any argument.
Do you even read what you are typing before hititng the submit button?
The Inventor
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Not having my 55" and my Home Theater where my PC is. That's it.
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Duxxy3
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And if I had bought Dishonored 2 at launch for my PC I'd be pissed off. Pissed that it runs so poorly and pissed that I can't return it (sorry, but steam launch prices suck).
So it's great that they finally fixed the game a month or so later. But I'd still be pissed that it didn't work properly when I wanted it to. Still pissed that I couldn't return that defective copy.
Lister
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I'm not following.
PC on release: Issues wiht keeping 60 FPS at high settings. Steam supports refunds too, if that's what you mean. Lowering settings to a bit above PS4 runs well, and of course 30 FPS lock is definitely doable even at ultra.
PS4: Issues with keeping 30 FPS (drops to 20 FPS at times). Dynamic resolution dropping below 1080p when in hectic combat. Lower settings than PC on high.
But the PC is the version to be upset about?
Some severe hostility in this thread. Please remember that people being happier with consoles does not take anything away from your PC gaming.
Steam's refund policy is one of my reasons for finally opting for PC gaming. I don't trust ANY game to work and I am prepared to return every game I buy if the performance is bad.
Sucks that you couldn't return it.
Steam's refund policy is one of my reasons for finally opting for PC gaming. I don't trust ANY game to work and I am prepared to return every game I buy if the performance is bad.
Duxxy3
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Why would I buy launch games on steam? They're always $60 when every other site is $40.
There should be no issues with ANY game running 60fps at high/very high on my computer. None.
PS4/XB1 I have lower expectations of. I spent more on my video card alone than either system. And if I have a problem with the console version, I can always return it or sell the disk.
TheRedSnifit
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Steam lets you refund games. Even at launch, Dishonored 2 ran better PC than it does today on PS4.
You should probably do a bit of research before posting.
Lister
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Re-reading his post I think he meant that he bought it elsewhere for cheap and couldn't refund it.
My recommendation is to simply wait a little bit. And I do mean a little bit. Within a minute of the game releasing (usually even before!) you're likely to get benchmarks for most new PC releases in like 20 websites and all over youtube.
If you absolutely cannot wait. Pick it up on Steam for its refund policy.
TheRedSnifit
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Most third-party resellers allow refunds as well. If you choose the handful that don't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
I'd rather play the version that struggles to hold 60fps (the PC version) than the one that struggles to hold 20fps (the PS4 version), low expectations or not.
Phatosaurus
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As I have written: CHF 1270, which currently is about $1272 or EUR 1189
And 32GB of RAM is.. kinda better as 16GB?.. I mean... I don't have to worry about RAM for a long time, do I?
The GeForce GTX 1070 alone is currently half the price of my whole set... so I guess the price was more than good.
Ahh, my bad. Didn't realise CHF was a currency, excuse my ignorance on that part.
As for the RAM, well it depends. 8Gb of RAM is still completely fine, 16Gb is ideal and adequate for future proofing. 32Gb is kinda overkill, but I can't really fault your reasoning.
On the whole, I'd say it is a bit steep in price, but the more important thing is that you've got a great PC there and it'll certainly last you a considerable amount of years before you even need to think about upgrading.
I'm just a bit anal when it comes to buying pre-built PCs because I got ripped off a fair few years ago and I hate seeing others getting ripped off.
One thing I will add is to check the model of your motherboard, google it to see if you can overclock with it. It'll be handy to know in case you decide to upgrade your CPU down the line.
Hollywood Hitman
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Plus they had that beta performance patch out fairly quick for dishonored 2.
I don't get any of the comments where someone says they have a good gaming pc but try to avoid it, like... Wha?
I don't get any of the comments where someone says they have a good gaming pc but try to avoid it, like... Wha?
Lister
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I'm still confused as to your solution to this issue. Which, by the way, isn't a constant. most of games perform just fine on PC. I just find the logic weird.
Issue: The PC version doesn't run perfectly!
Solution: Get it on console wher eit runs appreciably worse!
???
Issue: Steam on PC offers refunds, but I don't want to pay $45-$60!
Solution: Get the $60-$70 console version!
???
Duxxy3
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Which third party sellers allow for refunds?
I believe my reasons are good.
- Cost of entry
- Cost to maintain/upgrade
- Infrastructure issues- running network wires, etc
- Comfort of playing on a couch
- Friends on PSN
- Most importantly, my overall knowledge of how PC's work is not that great. I mean, I get by with my laptop (haven't had a desktop in many years), but ask me to build a PC, and you're guaranteed to have missing parts, and ask me to set it up, and I'm guaranteed to fuck it up. I just don't know what I'm doing, and don't feel like learning.
- Cost of entry
- Cost to maintain/upgrade
- Infrastructure issues- running network wires, etc
- Comfort of playing on a couch
- Friends on PSN
- Most importantly, my overall knowledge of how PC's work is not that great. I mean, I get by with my laptop (haven't had a desktop in many years), but ask me to build a PC, and you're guaranteed to have missing parts, and ask me to set it up, and I'm guaranteed to fuck it up. I just don't know what I'm doing, and don't feel like learning.
Lister
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1. Legitimate if you're looking to get into the high end of PC gaming. But there are thousands of amazing, incredible PC exclusive titles that will run on low end hardware, or even laptops.
2. It's not much. A PC can last you an entire console generation and without fees and with cheaper games the long run costs probably won't be much higher than a console.
3. What do you do with your consoles? Whatever it is, you can do that with PC too.
4. You can do that with a PC too.
5. Yep totally understandable. For me it's the opposite, which is yet another reason why don't do console gaming.
6. Well, no one is born knowing how to build a PC. Your error is in assuming it's this huge endevour. A 10 minute Youtube video will cover almost evrything.
Your response was good though. Soem legitimate issues as barrier to entry for you, personally. And if most people here had said stuff like this, this thread wouldn't be half the size it is.
It's when peopel come in here saying PC exclusives are "Garbage" and "I care about graphics and performance but I woudl rather play the 20 fPS, low settings console verison because the PC version can't be ultra'ed at 120 FPS" that people start feeling the need to correct or admonish.
Phazon_Chaos
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Exclusives, as others have said there are games I can get on PS4 that I can't on PC, and anything that's the other way around I usually don't care much for. The dip in price is also more than worth the dip in performance for me, especially since I don't usually jump into the "real" next gen consoles until a few years out. I'll usually pick up Nintendo consoles closer to launch, but I didn't get a PS3 until 2011, and I just got a PS4 last year, so even those graphical jumps were really noticeable for me. I do plan to build myself a PC once I'm out of university and working full-time, so maybe then I'll start playing more on PC, but for now it's just the odd indie game.
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They were talking about buying physcial on console for whatever the going rate is (and probably after GCU or Prime 20% discount) and then being able to sell after beating.
I ended up getting Dishonored 2 on PS4 to play on my Pro. I bought it for $28 after GCU on Cyber Monday and sold it after beating and ended up making like $8 profit after Amazon fees. Worked out well for me obviously, and I felt better not so directly supporting a game that didn't perform particularly well on any platform. LIke others though, I have much higher standards for performance there as I bought it specifically to play better performing versions of console multiplats (PC exclusives are mostly just not genres I enjoy) and don't have the ability to resell games.
My PC is solely for games that will run well at 60FPS on my rig that I either 1) want to own permanently so resell is moot, 2) are cheap enough ($20-30, maybe up to $40 for a long game) that I don't care about not being able to resell.
If either of those aren't met, I'll just buy the physical version on console and sell when I'm done.
Gravy Boat
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Why do you care at all what someone else prefers?
Lister
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Why do you care about what I care about?
Oh, that's right.. we're on a fourm baord, where we all come in to have discusisons about a topic.
I don't care that console gamer X doesn't like PC gaming. Never did, never will.
I don't mind posting on a topic I DO care about though, when someone says somehting rather ignorant, like you need to spend $2,000 on a PC to match consoles, or all PC exclusives are garbage, etc.
radiant_ch
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No problem
Regarding RAM: Yep, I knew that 16GB whould have been enough for gaming. But when I saw the price (you'd pay a lot more for those specs, especially for pre-built-machines in Switzerland) I didn't complain about getting the double of it
.Those 1200 swiss francs are pretty well invested I think - the whole thing seems just right.
Enough RAM: check
Enough CPU Power: check
Powerful GPU: check
Enough HDD Space + SSD: check
Regarding the Mainboard: I checked that with the CPU-Z program. It's HP-manufactured with an Intel Chipset. Model Z170. Don't think this could gonna be a problem?
Lister
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You're gright. It's better.
I can actually run all my games at 1080p 60 FPS on my TV. My Xbone can't do that.
Gravy Boat
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You literally said that you feel the need to call people out when they prefer to play a console version over a PC version in the post I quoted. Not to mention all your posts in this thread have been aggressive and condescending. You're way too invested in this.
Clarkus Darkus
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Well i know on steam you can borrow your friends your games cant you? But for me on console me and my brother use the primary account trick so we get 2 copys of each game for the price of 1, Meaning basically everygame we want we get half price.
That reason alone makes me hold back, As new released games on steam come with the full RRP.
Saved so much money this gen because of that trick.
Also currently playing res7 on PSVR while shareplaying it so my friend can watch me play, I know PC has remote play but not sure it has that feature too.
But we'll see where we are at when Star Citizen drops as that alone makes me want a PC.
That reason alone makes me hold back, As new released games on steam come with the full RRP.
Saved so much money this gen because of that trick.
Also currently playing res7 on PSVR while shareplaying it so my friend can watch me play, I know PC has remote play but not sure it has that feature too.
But we'll see where we are at when Star Citizen drops as that alone makes me want a PC.
Lister
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That's not at all what I said. It's not about calling people out because they'd rather not play on PC. It's about calling people out when their reasoning is based on either ignorance or is just obvious attempts at rationalization or justifying their purchase decision.
It's weird that you are saying I'm too invested in this because I'm aggressive and condescending... Yet ehre you are, the only one making this personal.
EchoChamber
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To much of a hassle for me.
Gravy Boat
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I couldn't care less what someone plays games on, but I don't get why you feel the need to be aggressive and condescending in all of your posts. What's weird about that?
Every one of your posts is a snarky, sarcastic or passive aggressive response to someone who said they prefer consoles for one reason or another. Why does it bother you that much?
It's totally fine to have your own preference, just not sure why you have such intolerance towards people who prefer something else, especially when it doesn't even slightly affect you. It's like people who get mad at people owning an Andriod phone when they use an iPhone. It's just weird.
Lister
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Except for the couple fo one liner responses to truly ridiculous posts, I'm not seeing it.
Can you provide me with an example? Maybe it comes across differently on a forum post than what is my intention. So edification would be appreciated.
Captainbojanglesiii
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A few reasons:
- It's not as comfortable/relaxing for me
- Even on a decent PC, I have way more crashes on my PC than console, which is really annoying
- I like owning physical copies of my games
- I am not a big fan of keyboard and mouse controls, which means I can't play any multiplayer shooter on PC
- Outside of Civ, the exclusives do little for me
- It's not as comfortable/relaxing for me
- Even on a decent PC, I have way more crashes on my PC than console, which is really annoying
- I like owning physical copies of my games
- I am not a big fan of keyboard and mouse controls, which means I can't play any multiplayer shooter on PC
- Outside of Civ, the exclusives do little for me
Lister
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Well thanks, though my approval comes to console gamers too, gamers of all kinds actually. Except Larpers. That's just weird man.
Lister
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PC gaming definitley isn't' for everyone. But if Civ does it for you then:
1. You're not really who the OP is talking to. You are a PC gamer. OP is asking people who don't do PC gaming at all, why that's the case. In fact, most responses here have been from people who ARE PC gamers, but say they mostly play on consoles.
2. There are probably several other strategy titles that would do it for you. Have you tried endless legend? Stellaris? Endless Space? These and many others are probably right up your alley.
Lister
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family_guy
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The problem is there's so many variations in someone's setup that it can be hard to determine if it's the game, a component of the PC hardware, the OS, the GPU drivers, or some random external software running in the background that is causing the issue. Most people don't know where to look when something goes wrong and it can be a very frustration thing especially when the typical PC error message gives you no context and all you get is an error code. Here's a typical PC performance thread conversation on here:
Poster 1: I'm getting a locked 60fps at 1080p on game X
Poster 2: Lucky you. I'm having issues maintaining the frame rate and I'm getting crashes.
Poster 1: What's your setup?
Poster 2: blah, blah, blah
Poster 1: That's strange. I have almost the same exact system and it works great for me.
Poster 2: Guess I'll have do some more investigating to see what's the problem.
This isn't to discourage people, but it's something to be aware of. Heck I had RE7 crash on my PC 5 times and I was at the point of just uninstalling it and getting the PS4 version. Luckily I got through the problem, but I hated wasting my time on troubleshooting it when the only benefit to me getting it on the PC was saving $12 on the digital copy. If I bought the physical disc off Amazon, I could have got the same discount with my Prime membership and sold the game back when I was done.
Lister
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These thigns happen, but they happen so very seldomly. I don't remember the last time I had an issue with a game that wasn't the game's fault.
And if there is some sort of component issue, it's usually not hard to figure out, and then you replace the component, or dela wiht your warranty or retailer, just like you would if your PS4 broke.
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