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Forbes - 'Ghostbusters' Box Office: Is A $50 Million Weekend A Big Enough Debut?
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lightskintwin
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I don't either, but it bodes well for Ghost in the Shell, controversy aside.
DragonSworne
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I think the estimate is too high considering the lack of hype.
Great post! Should also point out MIB 3 had that 3-D revenue boost...
MagnaderAlpha
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If the leaked plot IS correct(which it's looking to be, it isn't more deserving). Though that doesn't mean Secret Life of Pets is any more deserving...
Oh yeah? Well I hope it shits all over Ghostbusters.
After recently re-watching Brad Jone's backseat review(Midnight Screenings that aren't at midnight anymore) for Zootopia(just re-watching Zootopia on blu-ray a few days ago), I agree with him that this movie looks like a discount Toy Story, just with pets instead of toys, And especially with something LIKE Zootopia that not only tries to do something different(and interesting), this movie looks among the grade of the Minions BS and Norm of the North. Hey, if people like that shit, more power to them, but there is no law against liking shit(and shit's still shit, regardless how much one tries to paint it golden).
MHWilliams
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Adjusting for ticket inflation is kind of a bust at this point, as movie-going habits are simply not the same anymore. Our biggest movies don't hit the heights of the 80s or 90s in tickets sold, partially because $4 in ticket adjusted for average income in 1989 ($51,681) meant things go a lot farther than a $14 ticket with the most recent average income ($51,017 in 2012) and we have far more ways to occupy our time. Gone With the Wild is the highest film when adjusted for inflation and tickets sold, but it was up against... nothing. No TV, no internet, no home video. It ran in theatres for four years.
To illustrate, here's estimated tickets sold across all theatrical runs:
Ghostbusters: 71,173,700
Ghostbusters 2: 28,336,200
Men in Black: 54,616,700
Men in Black II: 32,774,300
MIB 3: 22,113,000
Those first shots are really good, but subsequent films drop into the normal comedy range. And some others from the All-Time List:
22 Jump Street: 23,263,100
Avengers: 76,881,200
The Dark Knight: 74,455,400
Civil War: 47,270,000
Star Wars: 178,119,600
Star Wars: The Force Awakens: 108,120,000
The Empire Strikes Back: 98,180,600
Avatar: 97,255,300
Once again, Ghostbusters and MIB... anomaly. GB2 is not a part of that magic, in any way shape or form.
Here's the genre lists sorted by tickets sold. 15-25 million is the comedy range.
Action - Buddy Comedy
Comedy - R-Rated Youth
Horror Comedy
Comedy Sequel - Live Action
Essentially, trying to hold GB 2016 up to the direct performance of the first two by adjusting for inflation is a fool's game, same as it was to put The Force Awakens up against Star Wars.
Sick of this whining.....
It's a shitty slapstick film for the franchise. Feig fucked it not the actresses.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Jesus christ that budget.
They should have named this Evan Almighty 2
They should have named this Evan Almighty 2
MHWilliams
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Sigh.
Could have been worse. Sony spent nearly $400 million on MIB3. That film made over $600 million WW and still couldn't break even.
Henchmen21
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There's also the fact that GBII opened the week before Batman (which blew everything else out of the water). Nearly making its budget back on OP is really better credit than most people give it.
I don't think to many individuals focus on general film budgets...or they do and just want a tabloid isle reaction.
2001's Evolution having a $80 million dollar budget is a good reference point.
Saucycarpdog
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Paul Feig comedy everyone.
Ghostbusters is not a tired franchise, It's a franchise that could continue to be a really strong movie franchise.
I am not convinced this is the movie to do it though, I hope I am wrong and it will be incredible. I bought tickets to go and see it and will be there but to say I am worried about it is an understatement.
MHWilliams post about the budget makes alot of sense and is great to see the differences.
sans_pants
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I mean yeah the actors sold the concept really well, but you can't deny the power the premise had on kids. Ghostbusters enjoyed like a 5 year cultural window where it was extremely popular, and that was part movie, part cartoon
John Travolta in Hairspray?
cr0w
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Yep. The first movie came out when I was 4, and it was the first movie my mom bought me on VHS, when I was 6 years old. I grew up with the movie and the cartoon, and I had a shitload of toys because I loved the concept and the gadgets and the merchandise. And the song.
It wasn't until I viewed the movie through adult eyes that I felt a connection to the actors and the characters. To this day I'm still finding new things every time I watch it. I literally just noticed the cleaning lady in the background at the hotel trying to put the fire out with her spray bottle after the guys blew up her cart.
The originals managed to appeal to all age groups and audiences, which is something that you can't say for many things. There aren't too many movies that actually grow up with the fans like Ghostbusters did.
The new one could do that, absolutely, though I don't think it's likely. I think it'll do well, and I think it'll be a success like Feig's past comedies have been, but I don't know about its legs with fans.
WordAssassin
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I wonder how Sony is prepping for this in terms of continuing the franchise beyond this reboot. They're desperate for franchises right now, and they HAVE to know that this reboot is facing an extremely uphill battle, so I wonder if they'll be more lenient with their definition of "success" for this particular movie.
I mean if nothing else it sure as fuck has people talking about Ghostbusters again, so the IP itself is very very fresh in people's minds. Will they capitalize on that in any way possible to try and revive the brand as a whole or will they bury it until the 50th anniversary if it doesn't break records? And if the movie doesn't blow people away, what does that mean for the newly announced Ghostbusters: Ecto Force animated series and GhostCorps studio?
I mean if nothing else it sure as fuck has people talking about Ghostbusters again, so the IP itself is very very fresh in people's minds. Will they capitalize on that in any way possible to try and revive the brand as a whole or will they bury it until the 50th anniversary if it doesn't break records? And if the movie doesn't blow people away, what does that mean for the newly announced Ghostbusters: Ecto Force animated series and GhostCorps studio?
Interesting. Looking at this, there's almost no way GB2016 makes money. If it needs to make $400-500 million to be profitable, we can basically already call it a dud.
It could probably do $200 million just on name alone but it looks like $400 million will be tough.
MHWilliams
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$400+ million will be damned tough. Sony has to hope that people see it as a blockbuster action film, not a comedy.
Their best bet is hoping it hits 22 Jump Street level ($57 million opening, $191 million domestic, $139 million international). $50 million opening, $200 million domestic, $200 million international would be really good. Like 22 Jump Street, Ghostbusters can't really on the China boost, since it won't launch in that country.
I'm just hoping it does well enough for more GB stuff down the line. It might not be exactly what Id most prefer, but I have a lot of love for Ghostbusters as a concept, and at this point will take what I can get to some degree.
cr0w
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I think the cartoon will go on, because I expect it to do well. At least as far as cartoons go these days, I don't really know how popular they are in general with kids, and that's the market they need to focus on.
As far as the movies go, they'll make a sequel out of sheer bullheadedness if this one underperforms. They won't want to give the "haters" any sense of being right. I do think, though, that they'll do spin-offs with a more traditional (I don't want to use that word, but hopefully you know what I mean) cast that might appease the masses. They'll keep the franchise going, but it may not continue exactly the way it started.
BlackLagoon
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The Real Ghostbusters had 140 episodes over 5 years (with a few additional Slimer! shorts), and was followed by 40 episodes of Extreme Ghostbusters in 1997. The toyline persisted throughout it and had a sizable marketing presence, and there was plenty of other merchandise like comics and a few video games. Ghostbuster's popularity went way, way beyond the two movies.
Forsaken82
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In what world does it need to make 400-500 million to be profitable? Lets assume for a second that the 150 mil budget doesn't include Marketing... Are you trying to say that they invested 250 million into marketing alone?
starchild excalibur
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The $150 does not include marketing - that's the production budget alone. You usually double this amount to get a ballpark of total cost, including marketing, so you're at $300mil. But even then, depending on the film they may spend more on marketing than they do on production (look at Angry Birds). And on top of all of this, their goal isn't to just break even but to make a profit.
I agree with the idea that anything less than $500 mil won't be seen as a success. Whether it crosses that mark in the end, I don't know.
Discotheque
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Lol fuck no. Only avengers that would be decent as ghostbusters would be RDJ and maybe Samuel l Jackson
WordAssassin
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I'm one of the few that actually really liked GBII but you absolutely have to watch the first one. ASAP. If I could lend you one of my copies through the internet I would put it in your hands right now.
RGB actually had 173 episodes according to Wikipedia, and was 7 "seasons" long. That's crazy for a cartoon even by today's standards. The only show I can name off the top of my head that isn't aimed at adults like Family Guy or The Simpsons that has that many seasons is Adventure Time and maybe Regular Show? And even then those are 11 minute episodes whereas RGB and EGB were full 22-minute episodes.
I wonder if people who think Ghostbusters only had popularity from the movies are really young? Or maybe too old to remember or have cared? Because it was absolutely a phenomenon with kids during the mid/late 80s and early 90s. I was one of them. Kids these days probably don't give as much of a shit about toys as we did in the 80s but Ghostbusters was absolutely huge.
Even now, the IDW comics that expand the world set up in the movies and game, got brought back from the dead due to fan demand. With the 30th anniversary having just happened and the reboot coming out brand awareness is probably the highest it's been since the original craze. It's madness to say Ghostbusters isn't popular outside of the movies. The lack of proper theatrical sequels sure as hell is not from lack of trying.
Remember that half the money grossed is going to the actual movie theater. So if it makes 400 million total, it made 200 million for the studio.
Henchmen21
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Not entirely correct. When the show went Slimer! and the RGB, the eps went 1/2 to accommodate the Slimer skits.
Mister Wilhelm
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I think once the reviews hit things will change dramatically.
$40 million would be a disaster.
$50 means potentially breaking even if the film has legs and appeal in the international market.
$40 million would be a disaster.
$50 means potentially breaking even if the film has legs and appeal in the international market.
WordAssassin
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This is such a selfish mentality. Yes let's hope Sony's attempt at revitalizing one of the most beloved franchises ever bombs so that they bury the IP and fans never, ever get another chance at visiting the world. Great thing to hope for, thank you. As an actual fan of Ghostbusters I hope it fails too because lord knows I never want another Ghostbusters movie or comic or TV show or game.
kunonabi
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Sometimes less is more if the franchise is just going wallow in mediocrity or implode on itself. As a Silent Hill fan I know that all too well.
Stallion Dan
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Watch Egon when the hotel manager is getting billed.
uncelestial
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"the ensemble sci-fi dramedy The Martian."
The Martian was a "dramedy" "starring" Kristen Wiig? Yeah, nah
The Martian was a "dramedy" "starring" Kristen Wiig? Yeah, nah
A Link to the Past
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But the early impressions are positive, if you hope it bombs for quality reasons, you're actively inventing flaws to find with the movie itself.
kunonabi
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They could have just gone with 4 funny women. Strap a proton pack on Lily Tomlin and I'd be there.
katsubento
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I didn't know I wanted something like this until now.
As an "'80s kid", that looks like a '50s or '60s couple out for a drive.
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