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Forbes - 'Ghostbusters' Box Office: Is A $50 Million Weekend A Big Enough Debut?

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HoodWinked

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i think it should do about independence day or better. a movie being polarizing is much better than a movie in the middle as a polarizing movie will at least get half of the people watching where as a movie in the middle will just come and go and ignored.
 

Vinland

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An opening under $50 million wouldn't bode well for the film making its money back, especially if reviews are bad (which I hope they aren't, since I'd love to see more Ghostbusters movies). For comparison's sake, Mad Max: Fury Road made $45 million in its opening weekend, and despite stellar reviews barely managed to crawl past $150 million domestic.

Mad Max's R-rating limited its audience somewhat, but the fantastic reviews helped it out immensely. It went on to make $378 million worldwide.

How the film is received matters a lot here, because a good chunk of the profit comes from DVD/Blu-ray sales and TV money. How the theatrical release was received weighs heavily on how much money it makes post-release. [b/]

I'd be more optimistic if Sony weren't making this film. Aside from James Bond they've not really put out anything great in recent years.


To your first bolded point. That is not entirely correct. Streaming ownership and digital rentals now play a larger role than they used to.

To your second point I think you are jumping the gun a bit. Sony has the 21 Jumpstreet, Hotel Transelvania and Men in Black franchises turning very healthy profit margins . There is a 21 Jumpstreet Men in Black crossover being written by Lord and Miller.

They may be more cavalier in their stand alone films but they do have franchises making profit. They are also toying with Venom as a stand alone horror action franchise. If they can dial in the Deadpool magic they may get another R rating comic film franchise going.
 
I want this to be really, really good and a big box office hit, just so all the sexist manbabies will eat crow.

I don't think it'll be either, though.
 

kswiston

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The chinese box office surpassed the US box office in receipts last year, for the first time.

This hasnt happened yet. Chinese Box office was under $7B last year. The domestic box office was $11B.

You might be thinking of ticket sales since tickets are cheaper in China.
 
I never said it didn't I was just pointing out one of the cool things EGB did since I was saying I don't personally like it. Even as a kid it felt way too try-hard to me but then, you have to consider the era it came out in.

Also Aykroyd has been trying for a lot longer than that to make GB3 a thing. It would be cool if the reboot did well enough to revitalize the brand and they took some of his GB3 ideas so he could finally see them on the big screen. Though I imagine the game must have been awesome for him too since they were able to do things he'd always wanted to do (several huge monsters) but never could due to budget reasons.

I wonder how he feels about Guostbusters now VS what he'd originally set out to create? It seems like he loves it more than anything and paranormal stuff is an enormous passion of his, but at the same time it's very, very different from his original vision.

Oh I know. Just trying to see if you remembered. The particular name of the ep eludes me at the moment though.

Pretty sure he's been trying to get GB3 since the 90s. 2 came out in 89 so any subsequent sequel would have to be in his mind since after that. I remember at least that when they reissued the movies on VHS/first DVD's came out in like 99 that there were talks about it. It was only Bill and the others dragging their feet that has kept it from happening.

The game was pretty much as close as he could get to GB3 though and even then there was no Sigourney or Moranis.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

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I actually wanted to make a new thread about this, but I figure I can post it here instead.

What's up with the irrational hate this film is receiving? I follow the official Ghostbusters Facebook page, and every single thing that they post in relation to the new film is followed up by hundreds of negative comments images and stickers.

Did other 80s and 90s film reboots get this kind of reaction? Did the recent RoboCop film reboot from a few years back get this sort of reaction? How about the two recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reboots? Those were all terrible films, and somehow I don't recall the same amount of outrage that the new ghostbusters film is receiving. I personally thought the two recent ninja turtle films were complete disasters, but I didn't get outraged about it, I just ignored that they existed.

Some people seriously seem to think that if this film is terrible it somehow makes the 1984 film terrible by relation. It's so baffling. The 2014 RoboCop film didn't make the 1987 RoboCop film bad why would this film make the old film bad?

Besides, Ghostbusters 2 was already pretty awful. If this franchise can survive one awful film I can't see why you can't survive a second awful film.
 

KNT-Zero

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I was excited because it featured Kristen Wiig and Kate McKinnon, even if I wasn't a fan of the originals.

Then they showed the first trailer.

Now I prefer to avoid it at all costs.
 

Zolo

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The 2014 RoboCop film didn't make the 1987 RoboCop film bad why would this film make the old film bad?

This is pretty much my stance with remakes/reboots. I generally don't care for them, but I just ignore them if they're terrible with no harm done. If it actually ends up being really good, then it's a pleasant surprise.
 
Oh I know. Just trying to see if you remembered. The particular name of the ep eludes me at the moment though.

Pretty sure he's been trying to get GB3 since the 90s. 2 came out in 89 so any subsequent sequel would have to be in his mind since after that. I remember at least that when they reissued the movies on VHS/first DVD's came out in like 99 that there were talks about it. It was only Bill and the others dragging their feet that has kept it from happening.

The game was pretty much as close as he could get to GB3 though and even then there was no Sigourney or Moranis.
Ahhh I see I see. Yeah that episode is "The Collect Call of C'thulu" hehehe. Man, when Real Ghostbusters was on it was ON. There were some really great episodes of that show which if nothing else should just prove that the Ghostbusters concept has so much more worth than being left alone at two movies. I'm sure budget has everything to do with why they haven't done it but I'd love to see a live-action Ghostbusters TV show. Just adapt the IDW comics for stories or even some of the better RGB/EGB episodes.

As for GB3 all I meant was Aykroyd has wanted to do it probably at least since GBII wrapped, although honestly it wouldn't surprise me if he envisioned a film franchise with many sequels once the first one took off. You had said he started talking about it in the late 90s I was just saying I'm pretty sure he's been talking about it for way longer than that. ):

I'm optimistic about the reboot but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm not bummed we never got a third movie to close out a trilogy with the original cast and to see Aykroyd's vision of New York overrun by the legions of Hell with the GBs fighting Satan. At least we got the game, and even though it's not written by Aykroyd or Reitman the IDW comics feel right at home story/character wise with the originals.

Also this thread has be rewatching Extreme Ghostbusters right now and even though there is a ton of cringe it's also surprisingly dark and morbid. I miss when cartoons didn't talk down to kids or treat them like fragile little eggs. T:

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I actually wanted to make a new thread about this, but I figure I can post it here instead.

What's up with the irrational hate this film is receiving? I follow the official Ghostbusters Facebook page, and every single thing that they post in relation to the new film is followed up by hundreds of negative comments images and stickers.

Did other 80s and 90s film reboots get this kind of reaction? Did the recent RoboCop film reboot from a few years back get this sort of reaction? How about the two recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reboots? Those were all terrible films, and somehow I don't recall the same amount of outrage that the new ghostbusters film is receiving. I personally thought the two recent ninja turtle films were complete disasters, but I didn't get outraged about it, I just ignored that they existed.

Some people seriously seem to think that if this film is terrible it somehow makes the 1984 film terrible by relation. It's so baffling. The 2014 RoboCop film didn't make the 1987 RoboCop film bad why would this film make the old film bad?

Besides, Ghostbusters 2 was already pretty awful. If this franchise can survive one awful film I can't see why you can't survive a second awful film.
Thank you for not making a new thread about it, we really don't need to wade through that shit storm again when it's in literally every thread so far about Ghostbusters - even shitting up threads unrelated to it.

I don't think there's any one reason why the outcry is so bad but I think the main factors are: it's one of the most beloved comedies ever, the actors and the characters are very difficult for people to separate from the concept, people have been waiting 25 years for Ghostbusters 3 only to get a reboot instead, and of course the fact that it has women GBs instead of men.

I was talking with a friend and she asked if I thought there were any other movies that a reboot would cause so much disdain for and the only one I can say for sure is Back to the Future. But I think, very sadly, a lot of it is the women angel and if they had remade Robocop with a woman it might have been pretty ugly. Unless the movie itself was super sexist and they made her basically RoboChick, then I could depressingly see people being ok with it. T:
 

kunonabi

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What i've been reading through the Twittersphere regarding critics coming out of press screenings and general reactions.......there might be some serious crow eating on sunday, lol. Cannot wait for that embargo to lift, oh boy is this gonna be fun to watch.



And i bet Sony is banking on positive reviews to hopefully get more butts in the seats opening weekend

Not exactly the most objective viewers there especially Oswalt.

We will see though.
 

Goodstyle

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What i've been reading through the Twittersphere regarding critics coming out of press screenings and general reactions.......there might be some serious crow eating on sunday, lol. Cannot wait for that embargo to lift, oh boy is this gonna be fun to watch.



And i bet Sony is banking on positive reviews to hopefully get more butts in the seats opening weekend

Nihehehehe, if this film actually turns out to be fantastic, I'll be there to enjoy the whining from presumptuous nerds. I can already hear the "The reviewers were bought and paid for!" crowd creeping in now, it would be delicious. Do not fail me now Paul Feig!
 
I've seen a few bus shelter ads around Toronto. They have the cast, but the logo is the focus.

This poster from Taiwan nails it, though:

That's a great poster.

The bus ads I've seen around LA are kinda weaksauce IMO. They're serviceable, but I feel like they didn't put a lot of creativity in them. Maybe they're just trying to be as clear as possible even at the sake of them being, ironically, unmemorable.
 

Akiraptor

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To your first bolded point. That is not entirely correct. Streaming ownership and digital rentals now play a larger role than they used to.

To your second point I think you are jumping the gun a bit. Sony has the 21 Jumpstreet, Hotel Transelvania and Men in Black franchises turning very healthy profit margins . There is a 21 Jumpstreet Men in Black crossover being written by Lord and Miller.

They may be more cavalier in their stand alone films but they do have franchises making profit. They are also toying with Venom as a stand alone horror action franchise. If they can dial in the Deadpool magic they may get another R rating comic film franchise going.

The home market would see more sales if it were a good movie, online rentals/purchases or not, which I'm hoping it is.

And yeah, those are profitable franchises for Sony, but they're not comparable to the other blockbuster franchises of today like Jurassic Park, Star Wars, the MCU, and Pixar's stuff. Spiderman is the only really big movie that Sony is (sorta, kinda) making over the next year or so.

Ghostbusters or Spiderman (Marvel made or not) breaking out would be a bigger deal for Sony than any of their current big franchises outside of James Bond.
 
What i've been reading through the Twittersphere regarding critics coming out of press screenings and general reactions.......there might be some serious crow eating on sunday, lol. Cannot wait for that embargo to lift, oh boy is this gonna be fun to watch.



And i bet Sony is banking on positive reviews to hopefully get more butts in the seats opening weekend

I mean we've kind of been down this road once this year already

http://www.slashfilm.com/batman-v-superman-reactions/
 

jstripes

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Aren't early impressions generally positive since they get people who want to see the film? I'm not familiar with anyone in those tweets are they known movie critics?
 
Are people still taking early twittersphere reviews seriously?

Even after all the times they've proven to be 100% opposite to the actual quality of the film?

Twitter reviews are literally the easiest reviews for studios to manipulate. Do yourself a favor and pay zero attention to them.
 
Ok I know this is kinda OT but holy shit at this episode of Extreme Ghostbusters. They're in a haunted house and a human maid that Eduardo keeps hitting on is telling them where the kids they need to save are. They tell her to come with them and she reveals she's already dead. They leave to save the kids but Eduardo, guiltstricken, stays behind, and tells her "Hey, I'm sorry you're... dead." She reaches out to touch his hand but hers phases through him, she frowns and walks away.

Good damn that was heavy and not expected.

Edit: Aw after they defeat the ghost and all the other souls are released the maid looks down at Eduardo and smiles and he smiles back.

That's the thing I really like about the Ghostbusters concept. Since Aykroyd is so into paranormal research there's a quality to the film where it's like these characters are really experiencing all of this ghost stuff for the first time. When Ghostbusters explores that aspect of "oh wow, ghosts are actually real, here's the 'science' behind it" is my favorite kind of Ghostbusters. That's what excited me most about this reboot, because Feig said that was an area he specifically wanted to explore and the trailers appear to show a scene where they're first testing out prototype Proton Packs to calibrate the proton streams and failing.
 

Goodstyle

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Not exactly the most objective viewers there especially Oswalt.

I mean, they're reviews. They literally cannot be objective.

I mean we've kind of been down this road once this year already

http://www.slashfilm.com/batman-v-superman-reactions/

Those weren't professional critics though, besides Patton, the folks who gave their impressions of the movie were mostly people who's opinions contribute to RT and give reviews for stuff as a living.

Aren't early impressions generally positive since they get people who want to see the film? I'm not familiar with anyone in those tweets are they known movie critics?

These were for critics though, they generally all watch movies before they're released.

Are people still taking early twittersphere reviews seriously?

Even after all the times they've proven to be 100% opposite to the actual quality of the film?

Twitter reviews are literally the easiest reviews for studios to manipulate. Do yourself a favor and pay zero attention to them.

Again, among those reactions are people who are actually professional critics, I doubt Sony manipulated them. We had this exact discussion when Civil War got early positive buzz.

Not saying it'll definitely be good, but this is a good sign. Ah well, we'll see on Sunday then.
 
Warcraft also had positive impressions from the twittersphere

and while I love the movie for some reason, twitter reactions don't mean much
 

213372bu

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Warcraft also had positive impressions from the twittersphere

and while I love the movie for some reason, twitter reactions don't mean much

So did Batman v. Superman, which got REALLY good preview buzz.

Sony's sudden switch from July 8th to Opening morning to opening evening could mean a shitstorm is brewing.
 

wachie

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Aren't early impressions generally positive since they get people who want to see the film? I'm not familiar with anyone in those tweets are they known movie critics?
Yes, loving these presumptive celebrations, high fives and imaginary crow serving.
 

Grinchy

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I was excited because it featured Kristen Wiig and Kate McKinnon, even if I wasn't a fan of the originals.

Then they showed the first trailer.

Now I prefer to avoid it at all costs.

If anything, I want it to be a success just to be sure that Kate McKinnon gets in more movies. I can't get enough of her. Her scenes in the trailers have been really bad so far, though. Just a constant awkward smirk on her face like she doesn't know what to do with herself.

Wiig will be fine if it bombs. So will McCarthy, unfortunately. Dunno about Jones. Her lines in the trailers have been horrible but she seems to be the only one who gave a shit. She was definitely the most natural on screen in the trailers. Hopefully a bomb doesn't affect her career opportunities moving forward.
 
Yeah, Midnight's Edge has been pushing the "Ghostbusters is the new Fant4stic" narrative hard for months now. They also reported yesterday that the review embargo was moved to Monday night, which is straight up not true at all.
 

Lothars

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At this point every positive review and impression will obviously be from paid shills.
No not at all, but there is a narrative that some people have that the movie needs to good to shut up anyone that is unsure about the movie because they are haters is pretty sad as well. I hope the movie will be good but I am worried it won't be. I've bought my tickets and will go and see it to form my own opinion though.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

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I'm hoping for the best, but expecting and prepared for the worst.

If I were to make a solid guess it'll be average to mediocre.

Better than Ghostbusters 2, but then again that's not really saying much.
 
At this point every positive review and impression will obviously be from paid shills.

the conspiracy goes deeper than you know

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Did the Super Battle clip ever get posted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOieWN28BlE

This is so not Ghostbusters to me, the tone and direction of the film is just off.

I like that it's different in tone. It doesn't need to feel like the first two IMO. Whether you think it's any good is a different story and up to you though. I want it to feel different personally.

No not at all, but there is a narrative that some people have that the movie needs to good to shut up anyone that is unsure about the movie because they are haters is pretty sad as well. I hope the movie will be good but I am worried it won't be. I've bought my tickets and will go and see it to form my own opinion though.

I know what you mean and it sucks. I feel like few people will be able to articulate real opinions without accusations.
 
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