feynoob
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That is the direction they are going right now sadly.
They are slowly cutting Xbox and making MS gaming as definitive platform.
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They are slowly cutting Xbox and making MS gaming as definitive platform.
Ass of Can Whooping
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As a retarded shill I find that offensive
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
The absolute maximum they "owe" anyone is to announce it is ending in 3 years. That's the max sub. And it gets us to the end of the console generation. Beyond that, it's up to them really to just do what they want.
ChorizoPicozo
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GHG
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
I don't think they actually thought it was the best deal for devs or even Microsoft. And I can relate to that. I used this SHIT out of MoviePass when it first came out and I knew they were going to go bankrupt. I went to the movies MULTIPLE times per week at times. I eventually got AMC A-List which was a much more sustainable model than MoviePass.
Jim Ryan knew PS+ as it exists today is much more akin to A-List than MoviePass.
JerryinSoCal
Member
It makes sense, COD going on GP would cost them a ton of money. Most xbox series owners who play COD likely already have GPU anyway so they won't see much growth there while losing a ton of money in sales.
Interesting.
mitch1971
Member
This has been so bleeding obvious from the start. Even playstation with enough sanity to not day one their exclusives are just pushing games, with the peceived value just decreasing over the years. No chance I'll buy a game again until it's a quarter of it's price, as it's been drilled into me that there will be tons of games coming every month for a pittance. Games are just another commodity now to push out in droves. I don't see anything special in the product that is a 'game' anymore. Like movie subs have just degraded the worth of a film.
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Topher
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Yep. And cheap people without jobs. Shortsighted morons really thought there was a future where they paid $15 a month for access to all their games and that there would be no consequences to the quality or quantity of those releases.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Ass of Can Whooping
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twist the knives, retards
ResilientBanana
Member
You need consoles out in the world for gamepass to hurt COD sales numbers.
Zheph
Member
I buy 3 to 4 games a month, this is definitely not what the average consumer does tho. Look a little bit less in the mirror, many people won't buy games available in a sub.
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GHG
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So wait, after years of you guys lambasting those of us who purchase the Microsoft (and gamepass day one release) games on Steam or whereever else.
After years of you telling us "just subscribe to gamepass bro, why would you not just subscribe to gamepass".
Or even being told "thanks for subsidising me" (or words to that effect, "subsidise" is a bit too complex of a word).
Now you want us to purchase games and not take advantage of the "BeSt DeAl In gAmInG
"?
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Subbing is fine. The issue is that you're a liar and a hypocrite. Say subbing is fine and getting the cheapest deal possible is fine, because that's what you do.So wait, after years of you guys lambasting those of us who purchase the Microsoft (and gamepass day one release) games on Steam or whereever else.
After years of you telling us "just subscribe to gamepass bro, why would you not just subscribe to gamepass".
Or even being told "thanks for subsidising me" (or words to that effect, "subsidise" is a bit too complex of a word).
Now you want us to purchase games and not take advantage of the "BeSt DeAl In gAmInG
GHG
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VideoGameEnjoyer
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GHG
Member
Well now that you put it like that, I think I'll take 5 blowys from that brass instead.
This is what I shall do:
|OT| - Microsoft Rewards |OT| Get Game Pass for free
Yep. Anyone can invest a few minutes each day into building up Microsoft Rewards points and redeem those points for Microsoft Rewards. Those diligent enough will never have to pay a dime. This will show you how. Disclaimer: No, I have no affiliation with Microsoft whatsoever and I do not...
And then I will cancel.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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ToadMan
Member
Well its clear you are an exception rather than a rule.
And the fault for that resides with.... Xbox. That's the free market working as intended.
You referred to Robin Hood offering free food and the peasants rejecting it.
There are food kitchens handing out free food to those who need it in every major city.
Do you go queue for free food? I don't.
Would I go buy that same food for $8? Nope.
Would I go to a restaurant across the street and pay $10 to sit down and eat that same food being given away for free? Nope.
Would I pay $12 to get that free food delivered to my home to eat there? Nope.
The food is free - I don't want that because I don't need free food made to a budget for those who are in need. One day in future I may need it and I'll be grateful it's there, but today I don't, and arbitrary pricing up doesn't make that food desirable.
GP devalues the games everywhere they go, not just on xbox consoles.
Its not one or the other - a product that is pushed out "for free" on a sub inherently devalues that product in the eyes of consumers wherever they are.
Indeed one may argue that the very existence of GP has devalued xbox to people with enough disposable income to actually pay money to game. The very fact xbox has been degraded to giving their content away at such a loss is a reflection of low quality.
I spent $1 and I didn't even play hellblade... and barely touched anything else on GP. Life is too short to play games chosen for me by xbox - a company which happily releases redfall for example.
And maybe that's the other problem here - a lot of people are jaded with being fed a line of crap whether direct from xbox or from cheerleaders trying to tell us how we should spend our money and time.
Other companies market content and products - but xbox seems to market it's business models and talking heads. No one cares.
It's "the best deal in gaming" - then let the gaming market reflect that or let the service flounder and fail.
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feynoob
Banned
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
bruhWait aren't you MS shill
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Didn't you hear MS is now third partyWait aren't you MS shill
feynoob
Banned
That is a rookie shit.Well now that you put it like that, I think I'll take 5 blowys from that brass instead.
This is what I shall do:
|OT| - Microsoft Rewards |OT| Get Game Pass for free
Yep. Anyone can invest a few minutes each day into building up Microsoft Rewards points and redeem those points for Microsoft Rewards. Those diligent enough will never have to pay a dime. This will show you how. Disclaimer: No, I have no affiliation with Microsoft whatsoever and I do not...www.neogaf.com
And then I will cancel.
I get the free shit by doing 4 month grab
trick .
feynoob
Banned
That explains why he is begging MS and rare about a new game for him.
Topher
Identifies as young
There isn't a debt owed for Activision. The problem, I believe, is that without Activision the Xbox segment had a net loss of 5% last quarter. A lot of that is being attributed to Game Pass.
XXL
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Kataploom
Gold Member
Maybe they should start putting ActiBlizz games in Game Pass... They can make WoW part of Game Pass sub with a year of current subscription model as an option while people move, they can make a Rated E section with games like Spyro, Crash, etc. And market it with a proper parental control to try and appeal parents, they can do things but they don't.That underpinned the premise of the deal going through, both to regulators and the general public:
"The acquisition also bolsters Microsoft’s Game Pass portfolio with plans to launch Activision Blizzard games into Game Pass, which has reached a new milestone of over 25 million subscribers. With Activision Blizzard’s nearly 400 million monthly active players in 190 countries and three billion-dollar franchises, this acquisition will make Game Pass one of the most compelling and diverse lineups of gaming content in the industry. Upon close, Microsoft will have 30 internal game development studios, along with additional publishing and esports production capabilities."
Microsoft to acquire Activision Blizzard to bring the joy and community of gaming to everyone, across every device - Stories
Legendary games, immersive interactive entertainment and publishing expertise accelerate growth in Microsoft’s Gaming business across mobile, PC, console and cloud. REDMOND, Wash. and Santa Monica, Calif. – Jan. 18, 2022 – With three billion people actively playing games today, and fueled by a...news.microsoft.com
And:
Our vision for gaming: More choice and more games for people everywhere
news.microsoft.com
If there isn't a resulting revolt then it says a lot about the people who are sticking by them after you all spent the best part of 2 years regurgitating their PR/marketing surrounding the deal and gaslighting anyone who had anything different to say about it.
GP seems to be good for devs, btw, therefore Sega and many AA and indie devs wouldn't be pushing for it even more, the problem I see is for MS themselves.
The service is great but how many actual players want subs service?
I just came back to it after months of didn't even miss it.
It's great for certain people, tho.
I hope MS finds a way to make GP profitable because the evergrowing business model that plagued everything including video streaming service seems to be a money sinking blackhole with barely any result if at all since the market share isn't infinite.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Depends on which way the wind blows my friend.Wait aren't you MS shill
But it never blows that way.
I have taken a sacred vow. My allegiance is to our one true Lord, Shigeru Miyamoto.
Sometimes, when I catch my missus in bed with another man, I pray at the house of Miyazaki and his graceful light guides my path.
When I was a horny teenage slut I strayed in to Sony, and regrettably, Microsoft’s path. Now I condemn them to hell.
ToadMan
Member
The thing is, a significant portion of the ABK acquisition was argued on the basis of GP being a cheaper way to access games therefore benefitting consumers...
I don't see how they can roll back on that so quickly unless they simultaneously go entirely third party. And even then regulators may reopen the books and ask why Xbox is doing a flip flop on that now.
Right now we're just waiting for the corpse of xbox hardware to stop twitching... but going forward there is still MS with cloud and various obligations to regulators about that too, and cloud is also rolled into GP today.
MS probably don't want to step back from potentially getting the cloud gaming market, and going fully 3rd Party would kind of require that.
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HeWhoWalks
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Indeed. Folks take this shit way too serious!friend... friend...
GHG
Member
Gamepass is serious business.
It's exactly what had people tripping over themselves to formally write to regulators and even the government during the Activision acquisition process. These people dreamed up this utopia where Microsoft own the whole industry and they hand out all the games on gamepass for "free". Microsoft were the benevolent charitable one and through the power of gamepass everyone would have cheap or "free" access to all the games.
Ain't reality a slap in the face.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Everyone knew this other than Philbo and his army of fanboys who defended him ad nauseum.
Best deal in gaming = worst deal for studios and developers who got shut down for not meeting sales targets. Brilliant.
Best deal in gaming = worst deal for studios and developers who got shut down for not meeting sales targets. Brilliant.
GHG
Member
I can't speak for Sega, I don't know what goes through their heads, but for AA and indie devs what you say is largely not true.
Business - 'The gold rush is over:' Slay the Spire and Darkest Dungeon devs say that big Game Pass and Epic exclusive deals have dried up for indie devs
In an interview at last week's Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, the developers behind indie sensations Slay the Spire and Darkest Dungeon said that the deal some small developers have come to rely on for funding in recent years—like Epic Game Store exclusives and Xbox Game Pass—are...
Game Dev - Moon Studios CEO says playing Ori and the Blind Forest on Xbox Game Pass doesn't help the studio
Developer Moon Studios gained its popularity in the gaming industry by developing the games Ori and the Blind Forest in 2015 and Ori and the Will of the Wisps in 2020.Both games were developed in partnership with Xbox Game Studios and obviously for this reason, both are available right now to...
Then there are also some developers/publishers have little confidence in their product do they're happy to just take an early payday, cover a large proportion of the dev costs and then just throw the blatantly unfinished product out there (see cities skylines 2 as a prime example).
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Mibu no ookami
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Either Microsoft will be afraid to shutdown studios right away or they'll be emboldened and double down... we're about to find out.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Even if they get the axe, Schafer definitely wont disappear and will most likely bring a bunch of his best people with him on whatever he does going forward
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You couldn't find a single game out of 500~600 to enjoy for $1? Really? If true then it sounds more like you've fallen out of the hobby entirely and only playing, whichever games you play, to go with the flow and fit-in on neogaf.
Eh. For an indie dev you says the gravy train is over, there's also one that says 'it keeps a lot of indies going'
Citizen Sleeper developer praises Xbox Game Pass for 'keeping a lot of indie studios going'
Gareth Damian Martin, developer of Citizen Sleeper, says that Xbox Game Pass has helped keep many indie teams open.
www.windowscentral.com
Motherlover that's exactly what you're talking about doing in this same page for Hellblade 2
You are literally the guy who rips off a wet fart on the way out of the elevator as the door closes.
GHG
Member
Eh. For an indie dev you says the gravy train is over, there's also one that says 'it keeps a lot of indies going'
Citizen Sleeper developer praises Xbox Game Pass for 'keeping a lot of indie studios going'
Gareth Damian Martin, developer of Citizen Sleeper, says that Xbox Game Pass has helped keep many indie teams open.
In the article you linked he says the following:
"The money is a pittance to Microsoft, but to us it's the thing that means we can make another videogame."
With recent events, something tells me that's no longer the case.
Motherlover that's exactly what you're talking about doing in this same page for Hellblade 2
You are literally the guy who rips off a wet fart on the way out of the elevator as the door closes.
Ok and let's just assume for one second that I will actually do that. What's the problem? Is this not exactly what you've been peddling for the last ~5 years or so?
Im just joining the promised land Adam, don't be sad.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Who said I'm sad. I, for one, welcome our new Game Pass ovelrords.
But I digress, I am routinely telling people how to get deals and/or rewards to subsidize game pass. It would be hypocritical if I call anyone out for doing that.
My post was in reference to your earlier chiding of
Punished Miku
about buying games on Steam etc.Yet we are here lol
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