Frankfurter
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I like how people invent or interpret rules just to make Rosberg look like he should get a penalty.
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GrizzleBoy
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You mean like where it says you should slow down and be prepared to stop undér double yellows?
marvelharvey
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Can't we find some technicality to put them both at the back of the grid?
Frankfurter
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Apparently the stewards think it's just fine what he did. If that rule is so crystal clear, why wasn't he even under investigation?
massivekettle
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No. Yellow flags were still out. Drivers have to slow down regardless of whether a car is in a dangerous position or not.
I agree. I'm not defending Rosberg (I'd love for him to be penalised), I'm just thinking out loud why the stewards haven't bothered to investigate it.
Rosberg didn't slow down; he lifted a fraction.
If we're going to damn Rosberg for this, then we should damn every driver on the grid.
I can promise you that virtually every single driver has acted the same way through a yellow flag zone in their F1 career before - it's just that most of the time it's not in circumstances like this. It's in practice, or in a race when a car is pulled off track or something similar.
Rosberg lifted. He could've gone quicker than he did. He did not act in a manner that was grossly unsafe. He just got lucky that the car was there when Lewis turned up and wasn't there when he did.
I can promise you that virtually every single driver has acted the same way through a yellow flag zone in their F1 career before - it's just that most of the time it's not in circumstances like this. It's in practice, or in a race when a car is pulled off track or something similar.
Rosberg lifted. He could've gone quicker than he did. He did not act in a manner that was grossly unsafe. He just got lucky that the car was there when Lewis turned up and wasn't there when he did.
GrizzleBoy
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If the stewards hadnt been penalising drivers throughout this season for things much more trivial than going full speed through a double waved yellow section, I'd agree.
Except people have been getting penalties for trivial things all season because "rules are rules".
Rules were also rules today, which is why people are asking what the deal is with a driver speeding through a double waved yellow sector and gaining pole position for it after a handful of other cars had faster S1 times than him.
JadedWriter
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In a way I should just thank the fact that I don't have cable anymore and can't react to this shit live.
scorcher59
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It speaks for the apalling wet weather abilities of the drivers, fuckers can't drive a wet track to save their lives, they should do like nascar and don't race on wet tracks and get one of those pickup trucks with a plane turbine to dry the track and then race
nature boy
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What a joke.
massivekettle
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Nothing will come out of it. They took forever to decide to review... and Nico's got some teflon on with regards to stewards investigations.
My guess is Nico's in the clear, but then there is a clarification provided by FIA for the next race onwards.
My guess is Nico's in the clear, but then there is a clarification provided by FIA for the next race onwards.
This season is full of crazy.
There needs to be some consensus of how yellow flags are handled. Could Hamilton and Ricciardo technically also just have lifted their feet from the throttle and then slammed it back down immediately to adhere to lifting/slowing?
Hamilton slowed down to almost nothing which was the safe thing to do. Rosberg came up to double yellow with the visibility of only two corners. He could not see what would be ahead before exiting the second turn which was the turn he went full throttle through.
There needs to be some consensus of how yellow flags are handled. Could Hamilton and Ricciardo technically also just have lifted their feet from the throttle and then slammed it back down immediately to adhere to lifting/slowing?
Hamilton slowed down to almost nothing which was the safe thing to do. Rosberg came up to double yellow with the visibility of only two corners. He could not see what would be ahead before exiting the second turn which was the turn he went full throttle through.
Did Hamilton instigate this? He said that Rosberg only lost a tenth through the corner and wants the FIA to clarify the rule.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-calls-on-fia-to-clarify-yellow-flag-rules-801593/?s=1
He does make some fair points though.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-calls-on-fia-to-clarify-yellow-flag-rules-801593/?s=1
He does make some fair points though.
Terbinator
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Lack of viability? It was scorchio at that point.
107% demotion almost never happened, because drivers can be let in using their faster times they made during practice sessions.
And you know what is even crazier? That 5 cars, inluding both Red Bulls, can be moved to the back of the grid, because they were outside 107% in Q1:
What is crazy is why on earth have has it taken 4 hours to investigate this and the Rosberg issue.
Not with the conditions, I mean the corner.
He lifted (slightly) to lose 0.1s in a blind, double yellow section of the circuit that could've had a car/personnel on circuit.
Huge difference in single/stationary yellows versus double waved.
And you know what is even crazier? That 5 cars, inluding both Red Bulls, can be moved to the back of the grid, because they were outside 107% in Q1:
Q1 doesn't count in these circumstances, sorry.
The cars in question are well within the pace percentage required and demonstrated so in all practice sessions, and then again in Q2/3.
This is some next-level reaching.
Edit: And the session in question was also red flagged 4 times. Can't reasonably expect that to overrule common sense in this situation.
But the rule doesn't say that. The rule says you need to be within 107% percent in Q1 and in exceptional circumstances you can be allowed to race if not but from the back of the grid. It's a badly written rule but it's hardly stopped them before.
Mastah
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That's not the problem. The issue is drivers outside 107% of the fastest time in Q1 need to be allowed by race stewards to participate in the race, but that means they have to start from the back. Just to give you one example, quali for 2011 Belgian GP when 4 drivers were outside 107% because of changeable conditions, but also they were 4 slowest in Q1, so that didn't matter.
Problem with this weekend is 5 drivers outside 107% in Q1 advanced in Q2 and Q3, but we don't know whether they need to be officially allowed by stewards, does it mean they have to start from the back or what else these rules stipulate?
She meant Q1 obviously.
There is no problem, nothing will come of this.
The rules are poorly written and don't accommodate for a session with changeable conditions and an unprecedented amount of Red flags.
massivekettle
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No further action in the case of Rosberg. Can't wait to see how they will justify this.
And I am sure Jules's parents' lawyers will be just as curious.
And I am sure Jules's parents' lawyers will be just as curious.
Haha!
Mastah
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Whether anything will come out of this we'll see, but clearly there is a problem with interpretation of the rules:
massivekettle
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Rosberg saga perhaps not yet over. Seems like some journos jumped the gun a little. FIA hasn't released an official statement.
"FIA confirms no further action on @nico_rosberg after yellow flag investigation"
As I said, Rosberg wouldn't get penalized because he lifted. Hate the interpretation of the rule, not the driver.
While it does sound like the rule is applicable, if they were to enact this it would kill the race.
And you know what is even crazier? That 5 cars, inluding both Red Bulls, can be moved to the back of the grid, because they were outside 107% in Q1:
While it does sound like the rule is applicable, if they were to enact this it would kill the race.
massivekettle
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Yep. Just saw this. Interesting. Didn't look like he lifted significantly. This will set a dangerous precedent going forward.
And I am sure lawyers for the Bianchis will be licking their chops.
It would actually spice up the race. Mercedes are more than likely much faster than the RBRs. With the RBRs at the back, this would provide constant entertainment as they claw their way back up the field.
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