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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
belvedere said:
Key statement "imagine what the comparison would be like"
From what I have seen I am not impressed. It's hands off of it because it's not "finished"?
Don't make me laugh.
If he can cherry pick a positive review into a distorting comparison of two other games that are not even in the same category then you bet that I'll compare what I've seen from GT 5 and link it with his relevant FM 3 "critique" from 1up.
Fair game.
MirageDwarf
Member
It's embarrassing that many of you are still talking to Interfectum (and/or FortunateSon if he joins again).
Stop falling for idiots.
Stop falling for idiots.
Graphics are the "only" thing being compared because that's one of the only things anyone knows about GT5. But I see that's not stopping you from deciding here and now that FM3>GT5's community features.proposition said:In a sense, I think calling F3 the definitive racer of this gen makes a lot of sense. What is the defining feature of this generation, at least for the HD consoles? Networking and community. And that is F3's strong point.
Of course GT fans are trying to spin 'definitive' as 'best looking', so that they can say that obviously GT5 is the definitive sim, but that's only because GT5 is only better looking. There's nothing about the game or any info released so far that suggests that in any other sense it will be F3's competitor.
Forza 3 is Web 2.0 to GT5's Usenet.
We don't know the specific details about the tracks, online features, Nascar and WRC licensing, damage, upgrades, physics, gameplay, etc.
But by all means, continue comparing FM3 to GT4. PD didn't make any advancements since that game, afterall.
PowersOfTen
Banned
Does anyone know if the gran turismo bundle coming out in december will offer some kind of discount as opposed to just the $300 ps3 plus normal game price.
cakefoo said:
True, we don't know what is going to be in GT5.
But given the feature lists we have seen, and the numerous PD interviews, I don't hold a lot of hope that they are implementing a ton of community features.
http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-game-features-announced/
■ Online
Open Lobby
Text / Voice Chat
Private rooms
Online Photo Album
Online Replay Album
YouTube replay output
I mean, the fact that they feel that they have to list chat at all as a feature doesn't really instill a lot of confidence.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
those were the most annoying first 10 minutes of any view review i've seen lately. particularly one which is supposedly targeted at car enthusiasts. nurburg-what?jakonovski said:
i'd like to see you drifinting your ass into an AI on cita d'aria.
Death Dealer
Member
user_nat said:
Definitive by its nature, implies "final authoritative example". So far, is not definitive.
F3 cannot be the definitive console racer of the generation. You can't logically answer the question of what is the definitive console racer of this generation until it's nearing the end of its life span. I think we have at least another 3 years to go. Plenty of time for a Forza 4.
user_nat said:
Yeah, it is a standard thing to list on Xbox game boxes. Not so much in game convention powerpoint slides where you are showing off your great features.
But does anyone think that GT5 is going to match or beat Forza 3's community features? Maybe they will. But I'm not going to be particularly surprised if they don't.
DancingJesus
Banned
blu said:
It's not a video review. It's a quick look, it's to give you an idea of what the game is actually like rather than a bunch of spliced up trailers and montages.
DancingJesus
Banned
blu said:
Also, to this point.
"particularly one which is supposedly targeted at car enthusiasts. nurburg-what?"
It isn't targeted towards car enthusiasts. These are honest quick impressions from people who aren't hardcore gearheads.
The site also does proper video reviews in which you expect rundown of all the features and such.
pixel monkey
Banned
It's hilarious watching the Polyphony bots heads explode over all the superlatives being hurled at Turn 10 and their brilliant racer.
Maybe if your GT heroes hadn't grown so stale and tired, shoveling the same lifeless driving game out the door time after time, only improving the graphics along the way, they would'nt now be behind the eight ball trying to hold onto the crown.
Can Polyphony now shoe horn a rewind feature into the game to try match Turn 10 on that front? Can they really ask their fanbase to tolerate another delay while they try to step up their backgrounds to come close to what Turn 10 has done? Or will paper cut-out trees and generic, lifeless tracks again rule the day?
it looks like there's a new sheriff in town. Now lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, Polyphony.
Maybe if your GT heroes hadn't grown so stale and tired, shoveling the same lifeless driving game out the door time after time, only improving the graphics along the way, they would'nt now be behind the eight ball trying to hold onto the crown.
Can Polyphony now shoe horn a rewind feature into the game to try match Turn 10 on that front? Can they really ask their fanbase to tolerate another delay while they try to step up their backgrounds to come close to what Turn 10 has done? Or will paper cut-out trees and generic, lifeless tracks again rule the day?
it looks like there's a new sheriff in town. Now lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, Polyphony.
Interfectum
Member
pixel monkey said:
Dan? :lol
pixel monkey said:
Forza2 allegedly already did this. Remember? So is F3 the newer sheriff? And out of all the features Forza has, rewind is the paramount feature GT needs to add? :lol Grids rewind feature right?
Forza2 tried to lead... and a few years later managed to sell 5 million copies to GT5's demo selling 4.5 in less time.
It boils down to this...
What do F3's reviews/Scores do to GT fanboys that F1 & 2 didn't already do? What innovation is F3 bringing to the table? What did it X2 improve upon for its third version? 8 cars and 720p? Livery editor.. oh wait.. an updated lighting model maybe?
commedieu said:
A wide array of user customizable rules for online races.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1033032p1.html
ShapeGSX said:
Right.. so the Simulation that judges the bar that all simulations should be judged on is...
online configuration rules.
And no, im not shortchanging Forza. It has great features, but how on earth can you say that because t hey are in one package, that it defines what forza is as a franchise? When the features literally exist in other games that directly compete with it?
Again, F3 vs F2 feature to feature is not much of a difference when it comes to the affect the game has on the simulation/arcade world. Especially since the only features its boasting this time around...
are from the Arcade world.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
blu said:
What the hell?!?
People are slamming a Quick Look with a goddamned THE STATE reference in it?!?!?!
New low, thread.
New.
Low.
commedieu said:
In Forza 2, it was defined by its damage model (being the only console sim racer to have one), 60 fps, physics running at 360hz and livery editor. No other driving sim had these at the time. Forza 3 extends that, adds things like rollover and tire flex.
What you don't understand is that other games are playing catch up at this point. While GT5 looks better, there isn't much more than that. A recent admission of this point was when they decided to put in damage modeling into the game when GT fans were clamouring that no one needed it because you're not supposed to crash.
If anything, other than GT being an older franchise, what really defines GT5 other than its graphics?
commedieu said:
It's a simulator. They simulate driving. This time they are doing it better than the last time (which was better than the time before that).
Oh, they also include:
A much better livery editor
In-game online sharing tools for video, photos, vinyl, tunes, and entire cars (used to be just car auctions on the Forza web site)
Leaderboards for drifting, artwork, and even tuners.
HD video export
The ability to rewind
Rollover in a game with production vehicles in it (a first)
More extensive online customizable multiplayer rules than any console racing game has ever seen
A party system similar to that of Halo 3.
What kind of innovative features are you looking for, exactly? Give examples.
And are you still saying that there isn't much difference between Forza 2 and Forza 3?
Guy Legend
Member
pixel monkey said:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
pixel monkey said:
I... uh... wow...
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Shaneus said:
GT5 has the same model for the showroom, gameplay and replay/photomode:
So... I just watched the Giantbomb quick look of Forza 3 and it looked really cool. I've never been big on this type of racers, but I think I might want to get into it.
But I only have a PS3, so do we know enough about GT5 to compare it in terms of car selection and customization (Assists mostly)? That's the two things I care about really. I know it'll look good enough, I know it will feel right, etc. so having the cars I like in and having a broad spectrum of customization is what's on my mind right now.
But I only have a PS3, so do we know enough about GT5 to compare it in terms of car selection and customization (Assists mostly)? That's the two things I care about really. I know it'll look good enough, I know it will feel right, etc. so having the cars I like in and having a broad spectrum of customization is what's on my mind right now.
ShapeGSX said:
While you named things that are improvements of features that were already there. Those aren't new innovations. Sorry.
Correct, Im saying forza2's gameplay vs Forza3's gameplay & features isn't different when you compare Forza2 to GT's shortcomings or Forza3. Its the same "painting and online community!" Which was there for F2.
What kind of features for Simulations? Things like Headtracking come to mind. Day Cycles for 24 hour races. Accurate mesh deformation damage models. More cars on the road, Things like that.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
The only game that comes to mind right now is Test Drive Le Mans, did that one have a really basic damage model? It wasn't very good if I remember right.Duelist said:
Scottlarock
Banned
its the halo complex, one game has to battle all fps games. like someone else said I would like to see what GT5 is going to bring, thats not in ANY other game.Duelist said:
BravoSuperStar
Member
Duelist said:
I think TOCA 2 on the original Xbox had damage.
pixel monkey
Banned
Wax Free Vanilla said:
Yes, GT has beautiful cars. That's great. Polyphony has always given us beautiful cars.
But the game never changes...GT 5 Prologue has already shown their hand. More of the same.
It's a tired formula, and after buying every GT game, including not only Prologue, but also GT PSP...I'm ready for some goddamned innovation.
Turn 10 is taking the genre to the next level. Fucking deal with it.
Scottlarock said:
You're right it is the Halo Complex. Its people who know what they are talking about, telling others that the features in it aren't unique to the series. The people that dont know this put it all forward as if to say its what defines the game -above and beyond- other games.
Sure, Headtracking is in GT5. Do I get a prize? going by halo rules, theres no console game that headtracks. So that means its Innovative!
And again, proving that GT doesn't innovate highlights the fact that F3 sure as hell doesnt. The problem is trying to say Forza is better than GT because of its unique features. And none are unique. Then when you prove they aren't.. it goes "SO WHATS INNOVATIVE ABOUT GT?!?!?" Well.. we weren't saying GT was. So stop trying to pretend rewind just ran out the gates and is now a definitive feature for a series.