theignoramus
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Che..."Here at Turn 10 we dont do bullshot".....:lolcrap1 said:
Shows what the 360 is really capable of. *shrugs*
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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Windom Earle
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LiquidMetal14 said:
- Forza forced the GT5 delay
- Forza forced Kaz to put more features into GT5
- GT "cheats" by having a long dev time and not being rushed
- Delays and E3 advertising are shady and trick poor gamers into not buying Forza (Did not work for me for some reason)
- Kart, Rally and Nascar are basically "free" and don't require much effort compared to premium features like livery editor or auction house.
Anything I missed?
Amir0x said:
Oh yeah, the auction house is a great idea that should have been adopted. It is cool that you can "Gift" cars to others of course, but it's not the same. I think they should have a "real" auction though were you bid online, live, at certain times for say "special" cars created by like PD, T10, sponsored cars, etc. That would be fun, and have them at various times so not everyone missed out.
The Livery thing, I'm not sure about. I always wondered if that was made suspect of what overall caused FM's cars to look "off" or "cartoonish". I mean, lighting isn't close to matched to whatever PD does, but also the color of the paints in the game just looked once again, cartoonish. They lacked a realistic hue most of the time.
It'll be a sad day when Kaz is done with this career. He'll probably stick around for a while though considering he said he gets to do what he loves and get paid for it. Not to mention actually gaining some swagger in the real life automotive world, designing cars and UI, and also getting to race some of the greatest tracks out there in the name of "research". Talk about your dream jobs.
PD is the one of the few JP devs to pull their weight this gen though. It took them a while, but it's paying off in the end. In fact, they'll be the first JP dev to actually set a "benchmark" technically this gen it seems as far as tech goes. It's odd after seeing so many people down on that side of the worlds efforts for years compared to western devs, and then one dev comes out and shuts people up.
Yoboman said:
GT5 Main Menu->Options->"Show Liveries?: ->NO, Yes, Only on-disc ones/not custom"->SAVE!
Pick the first or last option. Race with people that don't know you can't see their creations. Stop QQing while the series gets better and better and adds features that a majority of people want and you don't because it "looks tacky."
Or whenever they implement it to GT. 6?
Wow, things have really perked up here.
Does GT5 look better? Yes. More features, cars, etc.? Yes. It is shaping up to be a truly phenomenal game.
Both MS and Sony have one goal: sell games to men between the ages of 15 and 35. That's it. It's a cut throat world that is changing dramatically. Both have a lot at stake and a lot to lose. Sony is up the creek right now. Their entire games division went up in flames this generation. Microsoft is hanging on by a thread. Shit gets personal from time to time.
So these guys are going to say whatever they need to say to get attention. They have to stand out. Dan Greendwald HAS to say stuff that gets people to buy his game. Millions of dollars and jobs are on the line. If he's not out pitching his shit then he's not doing his job. Microsoft's arrogance is now being attacked... but just a while ago Sony said "next gen doesn't start until we say so." That of course was the beginning of the end. But Sony talked their message of superiority only in attempt to sell shit. Buy our shit because it's better than other shit. That's what it's all about.
Only among the hardcore is time and energy devoted to analyzing the words beind the games. Joe Gamer reads Gamepro and sees Forza 3 get 85% or whatever and buys the game. He sees the trailer and says "that looks cool." Or he skims Joystiq and sees Dan screaming about Forza 3. The game is forgotten about by about 3 months by the majority. They're on to Halo or Killzone.
Does GT5 look better? Yes. More features, cars, etc.? Yes. It is shaping up to be a truly phenomenal game.
Both MS and Sony have one goal: sell games to men between the ages of 15 and 35. That's it. It's a cut throat world that is changing dramatically. Both have a lot at stake and a lot to lose. Sony is up the creek right now. Their entire games division went up in flames this generation. Microsoft is hanging on by a thread. Shit gets personal from time to time.
So these guys are going to say whatever they need to say to get attention. They have to stand out. Dan Greendwald HAS to say stuff that gets people to buy his game. Millions of dollars and jobs are on the line. If he's not out pitching his shit then he's not doing his job. Microsoft's arrogance is now being attacked... but just a while ago Sony said "next gen doesn't start until we say so." That of course was the beginning of the end. But Sony talked their message of superiority only in attempt to sell shit. Buy our shit because it's better than other shit. That's what it's all about.
Only among the hardcore is time and energy devoted to analyzing the words beind the games. Joe Gamer reads Gamepro and sees Forza 3 get 85% or whatever and buys the game. He sees the trailer and says "that looks cool." Or he skims Joystiq and sees Dan screaming about Forza 3. The game is forgotten about by about 3 months by the majority. They're on to Halo or Killzone.
PjotrStroganov
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I think that the livery editor was partly responsible for attracting a different kind of people to F2 and F3. I hated it. I didn't hate the fact that non-racers could possibly be made enthusiastic about the genre. I hated that it wasn't all about the cars anymore.
Gran Turismo 5 vs Forza Motorsport 3 - Circuit de la Sarthe HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo4mJCJ0Q3k&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo4mJCJ0Q3k&feature=player_embedded
theignoramus
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to be fair, what were GT5p's sales at 11 months versus FM3s sales to date? thats the only honest way to compare the two.spwolf said:
PjotrStroganov
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Ashes1396 said:
Saw that one on another forum. Figured it was posted here already.
Like the lighting better in GT5. It's the sound from F3 that is the loudest right?
Metalmurphy
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Ashes1396 said:
He should have used youtube doubler instead of fucking up the aspect ratio.
keyrat said:
Does it look like the Field Of View was changed in the FM3 screen? I left mine as default and don't recall seeing so much arm on most cars
Interesting to see how much more the cars react to the road in GT5. It looks more realistic in cockpit but the chasecam looks kinda goofy if you ask me like a toy car bouncing along.
Maybe it's more of how the track was modeled than it is a matter of physics. The DLC Nurburgring GP track for FM3, for instance, had a lot of unevenness.
PjotrStroganov said:
*PicardWTFisthisBS.jpg*
Yes, because everyone racing the same stale stock/painted Lamborghini makes GT "all about the cars."
Give me a break.
You and Yobo may not like the artistic license given to the end users to customize their cars but it is a demanded feature and a cornerstone between Forza's tweak-ability and GT's "Pretty to look at, not to customize" stale formula after five games.
Kaz is looking to implement it because people want it. You don't like it? Ask Kaz to put in an option to turn off the customization and give you the stale stock-painted textures you're looking for and quit whining.
Firewire said:
Or maybe it's because they're tired of races and wanting to talk about what paint-job they did?
Playing a racing game and customizing the cars paint job and performance and not giving a shit about the races can be possible, duders. Shock and Horror, but not everyone is you guys and gives a shit about doing sixty laps on Suzuka everyday.
(And like I said in this thread before, I buy these games to play around with the physics and cars, I can't give a shit about the races)
Dreams-Visions
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without knowing which was which, I like the one on the left a bit more.Ashes1396 said:
I think the greens (grass, trees) are a bit too intense, but I prefer its hue of light (appears to be a more natural shade if white light) and car views. I liked the reflections better as well. car had a very waxed and wet look. maybe too reflective? idk. I like it.
the game on the right seemed like the sun was a 3000K light bulb instead of 6500K sunlight. also, things appeared to be a bit too muted for my tastes. Greens were a bit too dark and grass trended to brown. it's in-car view provided too little of the road for me to ever want to use it, and the chase cam should have had a closer option.
if those seem like nit-picks, they probably are. there is very little separating the 2 on that video. then again, it's a low-res YouTube video.
Question: have the improved the engine sounds in this iteration of GT? I vaguely remember playing the demo of Forza 3 and loving the engine roar in my surround sound system...and being underwhelmed when I switched back to the GT demo that was on my PS3. lacked a little oomph at the time, but that was awhile ago.
PjotrStroganov
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TheSeks said:
Wow, struck a nerve I guess
SolidSnakex
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Dreams-Visions said:
Kaz mentioned at TGS that the game will have reworked engine sounds when it ships.
eso76
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Ashes1396 said:
very good comparison video, the driver even goes as far as switching views at the same time (almost) and even makes the exact same mistake in one of the later corners
Regardless of the technical quality of lighting in GT5 and better models (which we can't really appreciate from the video) PD's game looks a lot better because of a much more pleasant and attractive choice of colours already.
Fm3 sometimes looks much worse than it could for a terrible choice of colours, which succeed in the difficult task of appearing both ugly and unrealistic; the shades of green and yellow used in le mans and amalfi coast and several other circuits are awful.
T10 definitely need an art director, and they need to take more pictures to use as textures.
Also, yes, they changed Fov in forza with the old multiscreen trick for that video and for some reason GT5 half of the screen looks smoother, but we know both games are 60fps.
theignoramus
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What a terrible comparison. The only proper way to do it, is record 720p/60 fps footage of each game, upload the files, then watch the footage back to back.Ashes1396 said:
les papillons sexuels said:
I think the point is the texture swap across the whole car rather than location impact/damage, not so much the distance between them. At least that's what I noticed first.
And the thread has gone crazy, mainly due to the same 1-2 posters. Thankfully the ignore list works well.
Cuban Legend
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It's like when there's an orgy-party going on and the parents come home early :lol
antiquegamer
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Firewire said:
I hope you are just saying this in jest, because that's what GT5 "hype" thread is all about. I am sure by the time GT5 is out we will have so many pics and gif in every gaming thread that bring up graphics just like last year Killzone.
I just can't understand why people can't just enjoy both system for its own merits and faults. F3 is great because of its livery and auction house system and GT5 will have awesome photo mode. They are both great and cater to the niche creative outlet for people who enjoying cars. Not everyone who like cars just like them for racing (though that is the big part, but some people enjoy cars because well they like the designs and "artistic" aspect.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Cuban Legend said:
Isn't that usually when the parents join in? At least in the movies I've seen.
TheSeks said:
Excuse me, personally I don't give a flying fuck about liveries at all. You want it I don't care, have it. But these games are driving/racing simulators, guess what that means you race in them! The official thread should be about the cars and racing them.
In fact Forza 3 had an official livery thread and guess what, the last post in it was in Feb.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377835&page=30
People just started posting their creations in the OT of Forza 3 because I guess they thought they would get more attention. It ruined the thread, because any talk of of actual racing was drowned out by walls of pics from every person who figured out they could paint up their car.
seattle6418
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I sincerely hope Iknos is getting paid to do this. Also, nobody here should pretend to be unbiased, because it´s impossible to be neutral, specially in a subject like videogames.
If you´re going to defend a product, go ahead and say it´s your favorite. Telling people you´re neutral and "own all three consoles" just not gonna make anyone believe you more.
There are facts and whatnots, but even graphics can be analised subjectively, so it´s pretty hard to compare.
On the physics novel, there´s a huge difference going from Prologue to spec II, spec III and the Time Trial. People who played at recent trade shows say it´s also a different physics model.
In the end of the day, Turn 10 deserves because of the amount of bullshit they said leading up to the release. It´s funny to see the desperation. I´m glad this thread exists so the game related ones can stay "clear".
If you´re going to defend a product, go ahead and say it´s your favorite. Telling people you´re neutral and "own all three consoles" just not gonna make anyone believe you more.
There are facts and whatnots, but even graphics can be analised subjectively, so it´s pretty hard to compare.
On the physics novel, there´s a huge difference going from Prologue to spec II, spec III and the Time Trial. People who played at recent trade shows say it´s also a different physics model.
In the end of the day, Turn 10 deserves because of the amount of bullshit they said leading up to the release. It´s funny to see the desperation. I´m glad this thread exists so the game related ones can stay "clear".
antiquegamer said:
I don't have a problem with Liveries at all. If you like it that's great! Those pics that you mentioned where pics released by Polyphony Digital, before the game is even released sure they should be shown exactly like pics from Forza 3 should be shown before its release.
Like I stated above, there was an official livery thread for Forza 3, but it turned out that the official game thread got ruined by those wanting to show their painting skills with walls and walls of pics.
antiquegamer
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Firewire said:
Um, the livery/photo thread kinda got merge with the official thread because most people just got to OT thread to read about Forza 3. I don't see why there would be a problem with seeing those pictures in official thread. I am still don't understand how that it is "ruined".
PjotrStroganov
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antiquegamer said:
Personally, it wasn't because of the photo's. I love photomode. Really really love it. I just don't care about game themed liveries. I like tasteful shots focusing on the beauty of the car/ the racing aspect/ the action, not a (though impressive) Halo Reach promo livery.