Metalmurphy
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Bebpo said:
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They were comparing the car model. I don't see how that's relevant.skyfinch said:
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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theignoramus
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The case in point isnt the extra effects or the motion blur, it's the premium models. Sadly, Forza doesnt even use its bullshot models in replay.skyfinch said:
Metalmurphy
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theignoramus said:
We should ask Forsete to take a direct grab of the R8 in chase cam while looking back.
Metalmurphy
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skyfinch said:
For the purpose of that comparison replay = ingame. And you were saying the opposite.
Metalmurphy said:
Regarding the real-time braking lines. In GT they seemed static. Meaning they would show where to break (blueblueblueredredredblue) but no matter how much I sped up or slowed down the colors wouldn't change. Do you have to unlock real-time ones or something? I like how in Forza it was constantly adjusting the color of the lines based on my exact speed at any moment.
And yes, being able to pause out of photomode makes a huge difference if you're into in-game photography. If something catches your eye while racing or anything crazy happens, having to finish the race than watch the replay back to that spot is tedious and decreases your interest in following up on those situations with a photo. And I'm not talking about the "graphics" in photomode. GT obviously wins there. I'm talking about which one is more fun to take pictures in.
Metalmurphy
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Bebpo said:
They're not static. Go really slow on a corner and you'll see no red line. In some ocasions I've seen it change right in front of me.
Since Forza has the Red Green and Yellow you just notice the change more often.
Learn how not to jump into other people conversations with shit that has no relevance to it "for fucks sakes".skyfinch said:
theignoramus basically told you the same thing I did. Why are you going all mental on me? Take some pills dude.
Metalmurphy
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Oh my... What will I do now...skyfinch said:
Shall we start posting pictures of that Corvette again? :lol Anyway, I'm sure that photo was taken during a replay and not instantaneously. For him, the ability to pose your car on any track, pause it, take a photo and keep mucking around is better than the actual quality of the photos.Metalmurphy said:
It's an option that could be patched in but it's clearly an issue for him.
Metalmurphy
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Really?acidspunk said:
2 People comparing cars models
He points out one is replay and it adds DoF and Motion Blur
I point out that has no impact on car models therefore has no relevance.
*gamefaqs nutcase and unwavering devotion to GT5 status achieved!*
Whatever, If that bothered you that much do what he did, put me on ignore.
Sure, it's more convenient, but you can achieve the same thing by going on a track, posing your car, exit to replay (you don't even have to finish the race) and do it. And considering the output is indisputably better I don't understand his point of view.Shaneus said:
Not sure what you meant about the Corvette btw oO
XiaNaphryz
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Launch time is the best time around GAF. :lol
AZ Greg
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ITT: Goal post moving!
Last generation if someone would have suggested that PD will put out a PS3 GT that does this and pushes that, but it will mean an inconsistent framerate and tearing then that person would have been laughed at. Now it's an excuse?
Again, this is another sacrifice that would have gotten a person laughed at during pre-release PS3 hype.
And how is this stuff justified? "At least it looks better/pushes more than Forza 3!" The worst part of the console graphics war penis measuring is that people lower their standards as long as their game of choice looks better. It shouldn't matter if Forza 3 looks like a warm dog turd, this visual inconsistency in GT5 sucks. And who knows, maybe if there had been more outrage when some of these inconsistencies were popping up in Prologue then maybe they would have been ironed out. Instead, PD sees all the fanboys calling the game fine and seeing that they're satisfied because it looks better than Forza. It's a shame.
evolution said:
Last generation if someone would have suggested that PD will put out a PS3 GT that does this and pushes that, but it will mean an inconsistent framerate and tearing then that person would have been laughed at. Now it's an excuse?
beast786 said:Close enough
Still greater than 720P
Again, this is another sacrifice that would have gotten a person laughed at during pre-release PS3 hype.
And how is this stuff justified? "At least it looks better/pushes more than Forza 3!" The worst part of the console graphics war penis measuring is that people lower their standards as long as their game of choice looks better. It shouldn't matter if Forza 3 looks like a warm dog turd, this visual inconsistency in GT5 sucks. And who knows, maybe if there had been more outrage when some of these inconsistencies were popping up in Prologue then maybe they would have been ironed out. Instead, PD sees all the fanboys calling the game fine and seeing that they're satisfied because it looks better than Forza. It's a shame.
Relaxed Muscle
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skyfinch said:
This rule applies to GT5 models though, GT5 ingame car model = GT5 replay car model, which I think it was his point, also it dosn't applies to FM3, because the in-game model looks way worse than the replay model.
I think the one thing to come from it is that for GT6, the engine should have been tweaked and there'll be more premium cars and less/no standards. Polyphony have themselves a solid foundation to build on. Just a shame they didn't do as good a job as expected this time around.
One of the biggest gripes I had with F3 was the lighting, which Che apparently reckons has been fixed. If true, shit could get interesting.
One of the biggest gripes I had with F3 was the lighting, which Che apparently reckons has been fixed. If true, shit could get interesting.
theignoramus
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:lol You dont have the vaguest idea what you're talking about. GTplanet is one of their sources for feedback. That alone exhausts your argument.AZ Greg said:
rollingstart
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Bebpo said:
That is so true. While playing PGR4 just now I did a nice move where my bike was just about to crash and the tire smoke + sparks from scraping the road looked awesome. I just hit pause and dicked around in photo mode for like 10 minutes.
To be honest, I didn't even know Forza had that feature and I own both Forza 2 and 3. It was a big thing I did with PGR3 and 4.
theignoramus
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No.RSTEIN said:Thanks, Haunted.
So, the games look pretty much the same to me. I dunno. (Obviously Forza 3's environment is way better, just looking at the cars).
http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=17757804&postcount=2071
les papillons sexuels
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theignoramus said:
not sure I understand your argument with this post? No the (premium) cars are definitely better? or no the environments are on par, because to be quite honest this post fails at both points.
Whoa, your link is the first time I've looked at the two and though, damn Forza 3 looks a HELL of a lot better.theignoramus said:
GT5's highs are higher, and lows are lower. Forza 3 is somewhere inbetween. Really, if you can't see this, you are being ignorant of the facts and screenshots presented in this thread.
On the whole, GT5 is prettier because it's photomode is prettier. [This portion of the post is opinion]
It would've been a blatant GT5 victory if the retarded Premium/Standard division didn't exist. Which shouldn't exist anyways. Oh and not to mention the technical ugliness posted in some screens.
theignoramus
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What night time vs. day time, photomode vs. non photomode bullshit. We've seen what GT5's premium models look like at 30 and 60 fps and we've seen what Forza's premium models look like. That's what the comparison was about. That other stuff was dragged in to undercut the obvious.RSTEIN said:
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GT is to clean and the angles are too angular imo. It kinda looks too much like a PC game. :lol
APZonerunner
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enzo_gt said:
This man has it right.
LabouredSubterfuge
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les papillons sexuels said:
Wow.
flyinpiranha
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LabouredSubterfuge said:
You obviously haven't descended enough into the madness that is the gaming cognitive dissonance thread.
theignoramus
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:lol I know eh? Too bad you only see the real "premiums" in the menus and at the intro of a race.shinnn said:
They both look like jagged shit in those specific captures. But I'll give you the environmental detail in Forza.RSTEIN said:
Death Dealer
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The distant scenery in that GT5 Laguna Seca shot does look plain.
LordPhoque
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theignoramus said:
Just because PD invented some stupid names for "ps2 cars" and "ps3 cars" doesn't mean it has to be the case for every other game you know.
RustyNails
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Haunted said:OuterWorldVoice said:
AZ Greg
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theignoramus said:
Well I'd hope they'd get feedback from an enthusiast site that is above console wars. Doesn't change the fact that the bar lowering/goal post moving being done by the fanboys across the internet doesn't send a good message.
If I'm PD then why would I put forth the effort to get the next game locked at 60FPS or eliminate tearing or have a car count that doesn't have huge graphical disparities? The opinion around the net seems to be that everyone is fine with the graphical inconsistencies because at least it's pushing more/looks better than Forza!
I also find the higher number of cars on screen and excuses like that (as to why the graphics are inconsistent) quite comical. Considering last generation it didn't matter that Forza 1 was pushing a more advanced physics engine, damage, etc... It wasn't a locked 60FPS, and according to the majority of the people who were hating on the game, a locked 60FPS was the most vital thing. That's not even getting into things like screen tearing or a disappointing car count (Compared to past games in the series) when you exclude the standard cars, which a lot of console warriors seem to be doing ATM.
Maybe I just shouldn't have bought into all the Kaz hype with hyperbole like "He won't do damage until he can do it perfectly!" Obviously if that were the case then this game wouldn't have been released. For more than one reason.
les papillons sexuels
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theignoramus said:
there are no "premium" cars in forza, there are just cars. I don't think you're really helping your cause by trying to make that distinction...
theignoramus
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Fair enough.les papillons sexuels said:
But I still havnt found the cars built with 10x the number of polygons as Forza 2 models.
SirButterstick
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That GT5 HUD is hideous. Looks like something a junior designer would make for Powerpoint :lol
But seriously, it seems like both have their equal share of pros/cons, and racing fans should be happy.
But seriously, it seems like both have their equal share of pros/cons, and racing fans should be happy.