Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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enzo_gt said:
That's because he's banned. Again.
RE: Review scores:shinnn said:As I remember he is already a gaf member even before work for Turn10. But wathever it was just a humor response about the Insertia madness.. don't take so serious :lol
As I don't really judge games by review scores, I think using review scores that have their aggregates vary in legitimacy, integrity and number of scores aggregated, plus not including reviews I feel are better (the ones without pressure to put a score on them period), is a pretty weak method of comparison. So saying F3 and F2 are better games than GT5 and GT5P based upon scores is kinda nonsense. To me. I know scores mean the world to some people, but half of them are BS and from places I don't trust.
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shinnn said:As I remember he is already a gaf member even before work for Turn10. But wathever it was just a humor response about the Insertia madness.. don't take so serious :lol
Whatever man, Kaz still has more hair.
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enzo_gt said:
Most of the early GT5 reviews should hardly be taken seriously. Two or three days to review a racing sim with GT5's depth and content are plain laughable. People are still finding new stuff as we speak.
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schennmu said:
Agreed. The amount of time between when reviewers got the game and when most of them reviewed it is laughable. I've got a good 18 hours with the game and still feel like I'm only scratching the surface. I haven't touched the online or B-Spec modes and am just now getting close to being done with the amateur A-Spec events.
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Nose hair also counts, dude.
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schennmu said:
I think a lot of it comes down to hyperbole and expectation. Killzone 2 scored as high as Halo Reach thanks in large part to PS-centric review sources falling over themselves to award it the highest possible score. However, I think most objective players would concede that - visuals aside - Halo is the superior game.
It's very hard to compare exclusive games for that reason...I'd find such a comparison more interesting if both were cross platform. Putting that aside, I can kind of see why GT has been penalised by some...it's certainly a bit ragged technically in some respects, which must have come as a shock after the hefty spell the game spent in development (Forza is pretty obviously more visually consistent, albeit with highs some way below GT5s and an overall visual style which simply cannot match Polyphony's game for realism), but it's also the most realistic driving sim to be found on any console, which is what I think it set out to be.
I just hope they are true to their word with talk of it being a game which will evolve courtesy of regular updates. Refinement of its uglier aspects (not just on a visual level) would be much to extinguish the disappointment felt by some.
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GT5, this is the most rushed title the media has reviewed in a while. As was said just a few posts back, this game is stacked. It makes me laugh when I see that review comparison shop up above. GT5 is a mammoth game.
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:lolInsertia said:
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I don't know but how long did the media have the game? 1-2 weeks tops. Even in that Gamespot lol worthy hour long special, the guy was lvl 15 (or under, if I recall correctly).Pride said:
And nice XMAS-ized avatar
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LiquidMetal14 said:
With people playing GT5 since 11/8 there is no reason reviewers couldnt have had their review copies weeks ago.
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The game was leaked or whatever. When, on paper, does any media admit to getting GT5?Pride said:
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who cares? Implicit in your statement is that reviews are a racket anyway. (Deadlines/hits> robust evaluations) Some publishers play that racket more competently than others.Chrange said:
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Chrange said:
Sony is very much to blame for this. Giving out review copies at the last possible date is pretty bad for a game that opens up like GT5. In an ideal world every reviewer would have enough time to finish a game before putting a score to it but that's obviously not the reality. Result: Rushed and superficial reviews. If you think GT5 needs this to avoid bad scores... You haven't played the game a lot if at all.
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Leave me alone, I didn't even mention Forza reviews.
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anyone at level 40 yet?. i heard the damage gets really good from there on (GT5)
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One could say that :loljett said:
This thread has only shown me how much more GT is than it's getting credit for. I think it's about time this one gets locked.
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Greenwalt also does MMA and could probably do a ryu on a car.
Yamauchi, being Japanese probably knows Aikido.
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Yamauchi:
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Shurs said:
And leave consumers with no advice and no opinion on the quality of the product sitting on the shelves, especially with a release of this importance? That's not ideal either.
They should have gotten the game sooner, no question about it. We could speculate about what was happening behind the scenes, but there's no question that the rushed launch was a screw up.
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Better a late review than a misinformed one.
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I think it was probably better for them to get the game on shelves before the biggest shopping day of the year than worry about being behind Forza on Metacritic.
Was it the ideal way to do things? Of course not. Ideally reviewers would have a month to dig into the game before reviewing it. The game obviously wasn't in a reviewable state a month ago.
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Shurs said:
It was a plain calculation on their part. They knew it would sell gangbusters regardless of review scores based on brand recognition alone. They rushed the launch no doubt and it'll probably pay off too.
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12 years and 5 years...
7-ish games and 3 games...
how many PS's were sold? compared to the 60 mio xbox's
times change...
how many copies did GT sell between 2005 and 2010? Pretty sure the Forza series sold more in that time...
Anyhow, too many variables to really compare...
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itsgreen said:
I wouldn't be so sure.
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itsgreen said:
Pretty safe to assume GT4+GT Prologue either sold as much or outsold the entire FM franchise.
I know Prologue did ridiculous numbers, but GT4 is a bigger contributor. Otherwise, hands down Forza series sold more if it wasn't for GT4. (Edit: Didn't know GT4 came out in Europe in 2005, it makes GT sell more hands down).Metalmurphy said:
But regardless, Second's post doesn't mean shit. "People love GT more because it sold more" is a bullshit argument. People love GT more because it's been out longer so it naturally has a larger fanbase. Which isn't directly proportional to the quality of the game PD/T10 are making right now.
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LCfiner said:GT5 is the most visually inconsistent game Ive ever played.
Kart racing tracks are about as cartoonish as you can get. look at that gravel. its even noticeable while racing.
That shots looks like something from one of the original test drives...
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enzo_gt said:
It came out in the US in 2005, too. That's 9.5m between the two territories.
Otherwise, I generally agree - I mean, I think GT5 is pretty obviously a more realistic replica of driving and ultimately the richer game, but in the end Forza 3 has myriad things it does brilliantly. Sales and quality need to remain separate. Call of Duty: Black Ops destroyed everything sales-wise this year, yet it would be very hard to argue with a straight face that it's truly the cream of the gaming crop.
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nelsonroyale said:
The Kart racing stages are really the lowest point for me so far. I admit that I did think 'Mega Drive?!' at one point, although that's obviously a huge exaggeration. It's incredible that a game so rife with incredible looking moments is able to look so poor in others.
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