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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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enzo_gt said:
I think if they were to blend both the destructible models that forza uses and the deformation texture method that gt uses you'd be able to get some extremely good looking destruction.
LabouredSubterfuge
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What PD have done with damage is, in essence, the way to go. And when it actually occurs it's very impressive indeed. But like jett said, they just need to patch it to make it more sensitive. I'd be shocked if that wasn't forthcoming in one of the upcoming patches.
One thing I would've liked to see more of is swap-in scratch mark decals for mnor damage and scrapes.
One thing I would've liked to see more of is swap-in scratch mark decals for mnor damage and scrapes.
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shinnn said:
Broken headlights would be grand, bit I imagine it's tougher to implement when you habe to plan for contingent effects since the cars actually use their headlights in GT5. Not sure how they get around that.
I don't have the game so... but I saw this on the GT5 thread:enzo_gt said:
"Here are some shots I've taken some minutes ago after crashing a Ferrari F40 for almost 21 minutes. I tried to do possibly everthing and the car almost flipped over twice"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24603775&postcount=12953
looks like the body deformation is limited to front/back of the cars too.
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The front headlight sure looks nice post crash.
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jett said:
It really boggles the mind as to why it's currently this way... I mean, the hard part is done, this is just simple coding, it WAS a game play design choice, that... well... makes no sense at all.
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enzo_gt said:
Are you blind? There's clear deformation and dislodging of parts on that F40 oO
Btw, you guys can't tell it's premium just by looking at it?
This is what a standard F40 looks like
http://imgur.com/byW1H.jpg
I kid I kid 
Why..? Is this to hold the player's hand throughout the single player? I just don't understand this stuff about damage unlocking at level 10 or something and then REAL damage at level 40. Seriously, wtf?Conceited said:
:lolMetalmurphy said:Are you blind? There's clear deformation and dislodging of parts on that F40 oO
Btw, you guys can't tell it's premium just by looking at it?
This is what a standard F40 looks like
http://imgur.com/byW1H.jpg
I kid I kid
To be fair though, the F40 isn't one of those cars you can immediately see TONS of detail on from afar :lol
Zero. I don't own the game. Thats why I ask, because I want to see dislodging of body parts in-game.Shurs said:
Oh lawdy..hahajakonovski said:I went on the internet and found this:
Haha. That tag's been a long time coming. I remember him crying in certain alan wake thread because some folks were pointing out that alan wake is indeed sub-hd after the pixel counters at b3d pretty much confirmed it..now that's butt hurt. :lolShurs said:
Maybe you'll need to level up more before you can start breaking headlights, windshields, etc..over 9000! lulz. Anyway, that F40 deformation looks rather terrible.enzo_gt said:
Conceited said:
STOP. What does this mean?
'Real damage'? As in, take a hit at 50km/h and the F40 would look like that? Because that's *realistic*.
Or are we talking about 'real' relative to the 'unreal' version... i.e. you take that kind of damage after a couple of 100km/h hits rather than 50.
GT design decisions constantly frustrate and bewilder.
enzo_gt said:
Bitch please. You're just going to continue making that argument until it's absolutely perfect.
And even then, you're not going to stop at the simulation aspects; you'll cite menus and music selection and loading times as reasons for not wanting to bother. So stop the pretense; you're free to do so in this thread.
Metalmurphy
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enzo_gt said:
If by dislodging you mean actually falling off? That only happens on rally and race cars. But dislodging as in getting separated without falling off happens in all premiums.
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schennmu said:
Of course no answer. But how would people in this thread know! :lol
enzo_gt said:
Fei Long bottom tier? Get your facts straight!
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/oct/17/street-fighter-4-tiers-character-rankings/
Also AZ Greg, limit your trolling to Vega. From what I've seen you do that so much better
LCfiner said:
It has been the best thing in the game for me so far because it requires you to master a difficult car. So rewarding.
:lol U mad bro? I think u mad. :lol What fucking argument are you talking about? I want to see damage and dislodging because I had a feeling I've seen it somewhere and:Zaptruder said:
There I got my real reply.Metalmurphy said:
Now you get mad because I'm asking for someone to link me to a video with separation of body parts from the body of the car? SMH. The menus do look cluttered, but I could give a shit less, and from the GB Quicklook I watched, the load times are pretty long, but they're on par with that of Forza 3 when both games are not installed. I don't care for perfection, I care for consistency. Frankly, damage is more meaningful to me when its mechanic, as no game I've seen so far has proper damage modeling that feels REAL to me. Forza has damage, and it's a nice touch, but if I want to be immersed the way both Turn10 and PD want us to believe theyre immersing, games need to do full dynamic collisions. For every single car in the game. I'd take damage out of Forza if they added 200 more of my favorite cars I like in the game. So please, make a coherent argument about something tangible before finding a reason to vent.
Another person definitely mad.Shurs said:
Psychotext
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Crashes so hardcore that glass turns to rubber and carbon fibre melts.
Windom Earle
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Hey Enzo, do you like racing sims? If you do, I hear that GT5 game on PS3 is pretty good!
The whole damage thing is indeed beyond ridiculous though. First people said it's level 10, then it was level 20 and now it's level 40 for real damage? WTF! Haven't seen any damage worth of note in my copy, that's for sure. Fix that shit Guerilla! Oh, and stop bitching about menus based on that horrible Gamestop video!
The whole damage thing is indeed beyond ridiculous though. First people said it's level 10, then it was level 20 and now it's level 40 for real damage? WTF! Haven't seen any damage worth of note in my copy, that's for sure. Fix that shit Guerilla! Oh, and stop bitching about menus based on that horrible Gamestop video!
I don't have any clue about the damage in GT5? Is that so? So damage and seperation of body parts is consistent for all cars in GT5 then?Shurs said:
Metalmurphy says only race cars and rally cars have actual dislodging of body parts. So, therefore not all the premium models have the same level of damage. Therefore there is inconsistency.
Yup. No clue.
I like racing games in general, and am itching to get my hands on GT5. I nearly came watching the active aero work on the Enzo. This was me when I saw that:schennmu said:Hey Enzo, do you like racing sims? If you do, I hear that GT5 game on PS3 is pretty good!
The whole damage thing is indeed beyond ridiculous though. First people said it's level 10, then it was level 20 and now it's level 40 for real damage? WTF! Haven't seen any damage worth of note in my copy, that's for sure. Fix that shit Guerilla! Oh, and stop bitching about menus based on that horrible Gamestop video!
Also, Guerilla? What?
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schennmu said:Hey Enzo, do you like racing sims? If you do, I hear that GT5 game on PS3 is pretty good!
The whole damage thing is indeed beyond ridiculous though. First people said it's level 10, then it was level 20 and now it's level 40 for real damage? WTF! Haven't seen any damage worth of note in my copy, that's for sure. Fix that shit Guerilla! Oh, and stop bitching about menus based on that horrible Gamestop video!
How long does it take to level up to 40?
Windom Earle
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enzo_gt said:I like racing games in general, and am itching to get my hands on GT5. I nearly came watching the active aero work on the Enzo. This was me when I saw that:
Also, Guerilla? What?
Good, go out and buy the game, see the awesome for yourself. Guerilla is a KZ2 reference
ExtraKr1spy said:
A good amount of hours. And I doubt that it's actually true.
Exactly. PD (or the OT for GT5 specifically) states that, all premium cars have dislodging AND deformation of body parts. I can clearly see the deformation on the F40, but none of the dislodging, which I now know only pertains to racing/rally cars. This may not bother you if you've been keeping up with the game to learn all of this along the way but, my point is that these inconsistencies exist, and shouldn't exist. Nor should standard/premium, and I'd go vent about that too but it's been done to death.Shurs said:
The fact that PD has been unclear and has avoided this topic in so many interview up until release, and even the fact that people aren't even sure when "real damage" unlocks is absolutely absurd. The fact that there is "real damage" (or is there?) is absolutely absurd, and I don't know how anyone can't be upset with this. But I suppose since you guys own the game and are playing it, you could care less because, we'll lets face it you guys ARE playing the Duke Nukem Forever of the racing genre at the moment.
Go buy my broke ass a PS3 and we'll talkschennmu said:Good, go out and buy the game, see the awesome for yourself. Guerilla is a KZ2 reference
enzo_gt said:Exactly. PD (or the OT for GT5 specifically) states that, all premium cars have dislodging AND deformation of body parts. I can clearly see the deformation on the F40, but none of the dislodging, which I now know only pertains to racing/rally cars. This may not bother you if you've been keeping up with the game to learn all of this along the way but, my point is that these inconsistencies exist, and shouldn't exist. Nor should standard/premium, and I'd go vent about that too but it's been done to death.
The fact that PD has been unclear and has avoided this topic in so many interview up until release, and even the fact that people aren't even sure when "real damage" unlocks is absolutely absurd. The fact that there is "real damage" (or is there?) is absolutely absurd, and I don't know how anyone can't be upset with this. But I suppose since you guys own the game and are playing it, you could care less because, we'll lets face it you guys ARE playing the Duke Nukem Forever of the racing genre at the moment.
Go buy my broke ass a PS3 and we'll talk
So much anger over a game on a platform you don't own. It's funny.
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enzo_gt said:But I suppose since you guys own the game and are playing it, you could care less because, we'll lets face it you guys ARE playing the Duke Nukem Forever of the racing genre at the moment.
....Go buy my broke ass a PS3 and we'll talk
Most of the complaints in this thread are ridiculous fanboy bullshit and will vanish when you start to realize what a monster of a racing game PD has created here. Yes, the game is THAT awesome. No other racing game can replicate a 16 players online Ferrari race on a perfectly modeled Nürburgring at dawn, the subtle sunlight contrasting with the perfect looking cars. It's an almost erotic experience! :lol Every racing fan should get the chance to experience it. That said, the damage situation is one of the few things that actually pisses me off. I was looking forward to it and it should have been glorious. The current situation is a joke and it needs to be patched/cleared up. And another pro tip: Bitching so much about GT5 without owning the system is... questionable!
You say anger, I say disappointment.Shurs said:
When you realize the influence this game can have on future driving games, let's just say I don't want premium and standard cars and segregation of features like damage to show up in other games in the future. And GT5 IS an influential game. PD should be moving gaming forward instead of inventing stupid bullshit like the distinction between standard and premium. It's a step backward, that no one did in the past. And if you say "standard doesn't look that bad, your just overreacting," then you don't get my point about the segregation of a featureset.
Take for example: COD4 had a huge influence on FPSs, as we all know. Though some maps were completely unavailable to play offline simply because we were offline. The developers said, hey this map isn't suited to you, even though there are no technical limitations or good reasons why you can't play on some of these larger maps, so we'll just restrict this. Halo Reach rolls around and there are distinct Firefight, and Multiplayer maps. Some of the Firefight maps would be pretty awesome if I had the chance of tweaking them myself for multiplayer gaming play, but no, the devs restrict us. Would have taken a few seconds for the devs to forge up some spawns and let the community do the rest, as the Halo community usually does, but no. As a result, the multiplayer matchmaking now suffers from a lack of big maps that could easily have been some of the Firefight maps, tinkered with in forge.
The saga continues, oh my.chubigans said:
I'd love to see all those bitching about Forza to come out and say that they haven't played it. Ofcourse, that won't happen, would require those trolls to get off of their high horse. Though I've only commented on the observable, you don't see me in here like GT5 FIZZICKS SUCK COMPAERD TO FORZA LOLL|.schennmu said:
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C-Jo said:
PD should sell there new glass tech to car makers theyd make back the total budget for gt5 in minutes.
I'm at level 16 in career mode and have cleared most of the events in the first three tiers (out of five), and there's some slight deformation and no mechanical damage if you hit a wall head-on at, say, 140mph. (There's almost certainly a lower threshold for deformation, but I've hit walls at around 60mph and not suffered a scratch, so...) It seems like the AI uses the same system, levels 0-9 they were as dumb as rocks and constantly ran into me, and now... they're still stupid (nothing like GT5P), but it's difficult to tell if they're actually smarter or if it's because I'm out-tuning them and rabbiting ahead, and thus giving them less opportunities to rear-end me.
tbh I don't know why we don't start with the full damage system and intelligent AI to begin with. I know Kaz Yamauchi wanted to make an RPG and some RPG-like elements have made their way into GT5, but this is a tad far. At the very least they should give us the choice of full and realistic damage, cosmetic-only damage and no damage at all. And then AI settings ranging from pro to babby mode or whatever.
The physics model is really spectacular though, and the improvements they made re: the sense of speed combined with the cockpit view and a good wheel create an amazing experience. MS really needs to create a 900º wheel for 360 or at least find some way to bypass the hardware issues blocking DFP/G25/etc use.
tbh I don't know why we don't start with the full damage system and intelligent AI to begin with. I know Kaz Yamauchi wanted to make an RPG and some RPG-like elements have made their way into GT5, but this is a tad far. At the very least they should give us the choice of full and realistic damage, cosmetic-only damage and no damage at all. And then AI settings ranging from pro to babby mode or whatever.
The physics model is really spectacular though, and the improvements they made re: the sense of speed combined with the cockpit view and a good wheel create an amazing experience. MS really needs to create a 900º wheel for 360 or at least find some way to bypass the hardware issues blocking DFP/G25/etc use.
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shinnn said:
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Grid, Shift and especially Burnout Paradise have superior looking damage modelling implementation to Forza/GT, it's not a contest, really.Fëanor said:I don't know how realistic the damage is in Shift (probably not very realistic:lol ), but I was messing around with the damage and being a dick to the AI lol. It was amusing.
TAKE IT Forza and Gran Turismo!
I guess its priority for the respective developers comes with the territory of the games being simcade/simcade/arcade instead of pure simulations. They're really emphasising the focus on racing and action.
I was disappointed with Split/Second in that regard, it had only rudimentary damage modelling in comparison to the games mentioned before, cheaply scratching and swapping out textures/models that didn't look very convincing at all.
Agreed on both counts. The tech is there, it's the implementation that's lacking, especially compared to its competitors (and the rest of GT5's own premium content). But this is their first attempt at damage modelling, so I'm sure they can and will reiterate and improve on that in the futurejett said:
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