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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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You can see what's wrong in the first few seconds by looking at the stage. I'm going to repeat myself, but whatever. My issues with GT 5 are merely cosmetic, there's nothing wrong with the rest.kazuma_pt said:that video has a duration of 5:50. i don't wanna bother watching, just tell me what's wrong with it
kobashi100
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Good post. Trust me I have had nuff arguments with them GT fanboys. When GT4 was released I would point out how the A.I is a joke and it was way behind PC driving sims and none of them would have any of it. In there eyes PD is the only development team that know how to develop/design a driving sim.
See You Next Wednesday
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CozMick said:
There are counters to each individual point your brought up.
-1080p, but Screen tearing.
-16 cars on screen at once, but low quality shadow effects & aliasing problems.
-1000+ cars of which only 200 of them look like they were made this gen & the rest range from good to PSOne quality.
-Day/night cycle, but not for every track or race (?)
-No damage modeling at the start of the game.
-Robotic A.I. that you can bounce off during corners.
I'm a huge GT fan & GT4 was probably in my favorite top 5 games of all of last gen, but I can admit GT5 is NOWHERE in a league of it's own.
soundscream
Member
CozMick said:
Yes intended to bring more casual people into the fold. If you haven't noticed outside of Forza and GT many recent racing games have not sold well. There is a disconnect between the casual fan and the enthusiast. By adding different assist like driving lines (in both games) automatic breaking, rewind and soon to be kinect support they are trying to add more casuals to the fold.
All of these features can be turned off or avoided, and any self respecting racing fan will do so, but their availability is not something to shun. Racing Fans need to have a big tent where everyone can join.
Lagspike_exe
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See You Next Wednesday said:
Aliasing problems? Only with transparencies. Forza's? Everywhere.
4xMSAA + 2x temporal SSAA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2xMSAA.
phosphor112
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saladine1 said:
Meh, better could have been chosen.
supermackem
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List wars, this shit finally got real.
infinityBCRT
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GT5 should have really stuck to 720p w/2xAA and upped the shadow resolution/filtering, reflection map resolution and transparency effects as well. While they've got the lighting model down pretty good, the low resolution of the aformentioned effects pretty much ruin any chance of mistaking what you're seeing for real video. In photomode, everything looks outstanding, and I think they probably could've been closer to that if they didn't try to stick to 1080p.
See You Next Wednesday said:
There's around 235(?) Premium cars and about 400+ good to great looking standard cars, some even remodelled and re-textured. There's only a small minority that look really bad. For example, I have around 30 standard cars in my garage, only 3 look bad. Possibly because Polyphony forgot to re-texture the cars.
What does it matter if damage is unlocked from the start? P.S since the patch it's in Arcade mode from the begininning now.
You can bounce off cars just as easy in F3 than you can in GT5, so I don't get this complaint. Just because the damage modelling is slightly different, lets not fool ourselves in to thinking otherwise. In-fact, whilst the mechanical damage might not be in just yet (will be with a patch later this week, and not like F3's is ultra realistic), physics wise, there's still a big impact. If you're racing in something moderately fast, hitting in to other cars often just sends you out of control or veering off track. At least with assists and TCS off anyway.
Heck, because of that reason most times (unless I'm driving a really slow car), I avoid contact. It is cool how you can pull Police maneuvers and actually corner tail someone off the road though. But you have to get the angle and speed just right.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
erahk64 said:
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE !!
Broman1978
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I NEED SCISSORS
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Lagspike_exe said:
I would say 1080p + sharpen mode produces the cleanest picture. I've tested all the modes anally and that is what I keep coming back to.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Apart from the existence of the Porsche, those pictures are remarkably unflattering.
Jonsoncao
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the ps360 framerate analysis is out
http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51644734.html
Special stage route 7
Race: Avg: 55.288fps Min-Max :35.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 53.302%
　Replay: Avg: 29.914fps Min-Max :26.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 2.389%
Snow
　Race: Avg: 57.419fps Min-Max :43.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 31.658%
　Replay: Avg: 29.753fps Min-Max :18.5-30 .0 fps Tear: 2.437%
London
　Race: Avg: 57.110fps Min-Max :48.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 53.002%
　Replay: Avg: 29.485fps Min-Max :25.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 10.478%
GT5 Prologue London
　Race: Avg: 60.000fps Min-Max :60.0-60 .0 fps Tear: 0.198%
　Replay: Avg: 29.984fps Min-Max :29.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 1.786%
http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51644734.html
Special stage route 7
Race: Avg: 55.288fps Min-Max :35.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 53.302%
　Replay: Avg: 29.914fps Min-Max :26.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 2.389%
Snow
　Race: Avg: 57.419fps Min-Max :43.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 31.658%
　Replay: Avg: 29.753fps Min-Max :18.5-30 .0 fps Tear: 2.437%
London
　Race: Avg: 57.110fps Min-Max :48.5-60 .0 fps Tear: 53.002%
　Replay: Avg: 29.485fps Min-Max :25.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 10.478%
GT5 Prologue London
　Race: Avg: 60.000fps Min-Max :60.0-60 .0 fps Tear: 0.198%
　Replay: Avg: 29.984fps Min-Max :29.0-30 .0 fps Tear: 1.786%
ColR100 said:
Well comparing the reviews is a bit iffy because each game is held to a different standard. However, what I think is interesting is that all of the head-to-head reviews agree that FM3 is the better game. Not necessarily the best racing simulator, but the best game with the most to offer.
Shurs said:
Why?
I'm comparing the games that were out when this thread was created. It's not biased in either way.
Is that why it's pointless? Because it has no bias?
Shit....lemme rewrite it:
GT5ers AM CRY, FORZA IS THE BEST!!11
GRAPHICS
FORZA duh!
SOUND
GT5 vacuum
PRESENTATION
GT should be embarrassed to present anything
OVERALL
LOL @ SONY
goldenpp72
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RSTEIN said:
And it only took them like 2 years to make forza 3
Kazuma Kiryu
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
i didn't say that kaz was god, i don't think there's any developer in the world that is godlike (yes, even miyamoto, even he produced a few turds). kaz however, did chew more than he could bite with gt5. i still stand by my opinion that his ambitions for gran turismo are far more interesting and "big" than what forza wants to do. and yes, it will be good for gt and forza fans in the long run what gt5 has achieved and failed to do.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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ColR100 said:
It's so nice that we have Metacritic. Now Xbox people can go to their PS friends' houses and be all like "Yo bitch, my game is better than yours. How much better? FOUR PERCENT!"
Yeah, it's interesting that this is how things turned out after all the talk of GT5 wiping the floor with Forza, but that doesn't change the fact that metascores are a broken way of comparing games.
kazuma_pt said:
Say that about my man Yu Suzuki, I dare you.
Windom Earle
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antiloop said:
Keeping my finger crossed for the performance patch on December 1st.
Jonsoncao
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I have another two questions for GT5:
1. no engine sound echoes inside the tunnels? or is it just a bug for stereo speakers?
2. the timer is only me vs AI cars? no me vs my best record on each section?
after playing for straight 4 days, I gotta say this game is far less polished than Forza 3, though they may include more features, but poor implementation ruins everything, from weird UI design to atrocious looking standard cars, I regretted buying the limited edition a lot
1. no engine sound echoes inside the tunnels? or is it just a bug for stereo speakers?
2. the timer is only me vs AI cars? no me vs my best record on each section?
after playing for straight 4 days, I gotta say this game is far less polished than Forza 3, though they may include more features, but poor implementation ruins everything, from weird UI design to atrocious looking standard cars, I regretted buying the limited edition a lot
Kazuma Kiryu
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
he'll always have a dark place in my heart, because he teased me with shenmue 1/2 and he didn't finish the story.:lol
i kid, but i didn't like some of his racing games. and vf3. but vf4 was a proper return so i guess i can let that one slip
REMEMBER CITADEL
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kazuma_pt said:he'll always have a dark place in my heart, because he teased me with shenmue 1/2 and he didn't finish the story.:lol
i kid, but i didn't like some of his racing games. and vf3. but vf4 was a proper return so i guess i can let that one slip
So he's a dark deity. Good, I'll accept that.
Jonsoncao said:
I'm more or less in the same boat, regular edition but with a DFGT and Wheelstand Pro. I don't mind the UI, but the AI, shadows and transparencies are really bothering me. Should have waited for impressions, but I didn't expect that I'd need to with a GT game.
ColR100 said:
People think a metacritic score decides which game is "best"? So everyone just throws out expectations, year of release, player base longevity, and the fact that the gaming media does not really know how to score racing simulators. My take is they look at the surface - check boxes, but really don't know anything about racing and cars. But the biggest thing GT5 has working against it is every review starts with "Six years in the making and lots of hype...". FM has always been the underdog, and they really helps (along with being a more casual game).