Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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What's the gist of the video for those of us without YT access?Niks said:
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Just realised this once you posted... talk shit about Greenawalt all you want but for either him or his team to cut something like that because it just wasn't right is a pretty bold (and quite professional) move. Better than leaving it in and copping it because the changes were a few ms out.soundscream said:
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Niks said:
Why is it so dark? oO Or is it my monitor >.<
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Niks said:
If anything I think this video just proves that neither game has the same look. While GT is attempting realism, forza is bolstering colour saturation.
I give lighting on GT the nod, i give the track in Forza the nod but I don't consider either to actually look better.
Metalmurphy said:
GT5 definitely looks too dark.
I'd say visuals wise GT5 looks more realistic, all those comments about Forza looking too colorful really ring true there.
Sound-wise GT5 fails completely, it sounds nothing like the real thing. Forza is closer.
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Well I meant, it looks alot Darker then it does on my TV.jett said:
Kinda of an unfair comparison, that's a convertible. But yeah, gotta admit, Forza's F430 sounds better.jett said:
Niks said:
I dont know which engine sound is more realistic but I really preferred the GT5 sound more than Forza in this video. especially the sound of downshifting when approaching corners. it just feels more aggressive.
visually, its no contest. theyre both aiming at realism and GT5 hits it much better. lighting, sky box, geometry, everything.
edit, just saw that RL video. It seems the GT5 engine sound may need to be pitched down an octave or two. :lol I still found it better than the super muffled sounds from that Forza video.
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jesus christ.. i don't understand why the tire-sound in GT5 is still this horrible.KHarvey16 said:
Sound in general is just... like it's from a synthesizer.
viduals: no contest, except for the flickering and low res horrible shadows.
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Jonsoncao said:
Why so mad?
Niks said:
Based off of that I'd say visually GT5 is a lot better. F3 looks a bit cartoon like almost. Sounds go to F3, more grunt and meat, though you can't hear the high rpm's as much. Actual visual que's of the driving again, easily GT5. The way the car reacts, slides, shifts weight, reacts to bumps etc. Much better. Track I also think is better in GT5, more realistic, and seems to mould better with the actual car. But that might be due to the car reacting better with the track than the track being more accurate, who knows.
The shadows in GT5 are really distracting. Particularly the self shadowing on the side scoop. It's like a 30x30 pixel square. GT5 does have self shadowing, though, whereas Forza doesn't, but it looks terrible. The lighting and car model both loos absolutely amazing, but I keep on looking at the disgusting flickering low resolution shadows.
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i still don't understand why people care so much about this photomode.. you can google these cars...Jonsoncao said:
Gamepay wise it's nice to capture a funny or exciting moment. But to just take pictures of a virtual car that looks way better than it looks ingame just seems sooo fucking weird to me..
Sure, the cars look good in that mode. alsmost like the real ones. So?
OVERALL, the lighting is better in GT5, but some of the lighting on the steering wheel and the gloves has me perplexed. How the hell is it that bad when the lighting around the dash and stuff is much crisper and much more realistic?Niks said:
And I vouch for this comparison. Best one yet, since InsideSimRacing is much less biased than the trolls in this thread.
Always-honest said:
I like photomode because its fun to try to think of new angles and shots. its not for everyone but Im glad its there.
like the Forza livery editor - although the livery editor requires more talent to get impressive results.
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I look forward to their analysis of the handling of the two games since they have lots of experience comparing to PC sims. should be interesting.
I know GT looks more "real" but it also looks more depressing. It's like they cranked down the contrast a bit too much and everything ends up looking A TINY BIT too grey or washed out in the end. We need a good mix of GT5's realism, and Forza's splash of colour to create the perfect looking game.Atomski said:
GT's replays fair much better though. Pretty odd.
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WinFonda said:
Ahh, so it's not just me.
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I'll have to agree with everyone else, GT5 looks markedly better, with the exception of shadows, but it sounds like a chipmunk version of the real thing. Poor choice of replay angles in Forza, car zipping by all the time is really tiring for the eyes.
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WinFonda said:
I also think the brightness/saturation in forza should be dropped a little. I'd bet with enough changes to the monitor/game settings they'd look identical.
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Not to jump in this mess, but there might be something wrong with their video or settings. It's not that dark on my screen at all.enzo_gt said:
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so you like photography. I do too. And i HAVE seen some amazing well done shots in the gt5 photo thread. But surely that is just a nice tiny extra for the game. Yet it gets the most attention in threads. And when people start using those shots to show how GT5 looks, it gets kinda emberrassing. Cause it doesn't..LCfiner said:
I'm impressed with some of the angles & creativity that people show in their shots.
But that's a photography thing. Not a racecar sim thing.
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Always-honest said:
Just cause you don't understand it doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone elses parade.
Considering by the amount of people posting them i'd say maybe you are the weird one?
There's nothing wrong in wanting to take highly details shots of the car you have been racing, winning with, modifying, etc.
Oh and btw, when they're positing Photo Mode shots "to show how GT5 looks", they're doing it against the Forza 3 Photo Mode shots as well, so they're just comparing the Photo Mode. I think everyone is well aware that's not how the game plays.
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Clouds?Metalmurphy said:
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enzo_gt said:
It is actually. Color is not something that's really missing in GT5. One race on Tokyo or Cape Ring shows that well.
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It would be great if in further comparisons they'd set both cockpit FoVs at approximately the same level. And of course, fix brightness and contrast for both games.
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jett said:
It's the grand prix version of the nurb though (DLC track in FM3), the regular version looks dark on FM3 too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jme7oKv_MQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb3jCDX_t8
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sajj316 said:
Not all screen tears will be noticeable, here's an explanation of the tools used, watch the Call of Juarez 2: Bound in Blood they mark the tears with red bars on the left/right of the video.
Shaneus said:
Usual comparison fare, same view point, same track you decide which looks / sounds better to your tastes. Forza does look rather kindergarten compared in such a way, though i don't remember it that way :-/
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Yes. The colours really pop in GT5 and it's one of the biggest draws for me graphically. Only thing though is that it can be inconsistent at times on ld tracks though like Deep Forrest.enzo_gt said:
Really? I have HDMI set to full in system settings because my monitor can handle it. Anyway I think the biggest difference between the two games graphically are the shaders, GT5 looks more metallic and the logo on the dashboard isn't as pronounced as it is in Forza, you can see more of the dash as well.ShapeGSX said:
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nib95 said:
Do people even know what that means?
Real life can look colorful. It's called time of day & the amount of clouds in the sky. That vid made Forza 3 looked better because of it.
Always-honest said:
well, anyone posting photomode images and attempting to pass that off as in game visuals is an idiot fanboy and can be totally ignored.
luckily, we have a thread only for photomode shots so we can mess about and have fun.
As for it being a tiny part of the game, Id say its a bit more than that. Ive spent at least 3 or 4 hours over the past week in various replays and in the photo travel mode. Ive spent more time racing but the photo mode - and the impressive resulting pics - has been a big part of my enjoyment of the product
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I always thought forza 3 had a really interesting, almost arcadey look... Never though it was trying to be a sim visually.
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I like that GT5 has started to simulate windshield glass...I don't think that was in Prologue, hence the "darkness" feel to it. (you can control the brightness of the cockpit in the options).
And that lighting engine in Forza is really, really bad. It makes tracks like this:
...look way worse than they need to.
Lighting is damn difficult to do (only a handful of devs have got it "right") so I hope the T10 team spend a good amount of resources on it.
I like that GT5 has started to simulate windshield glass...I don't think that was in Prologue, hence the "darkness" feel to it. (you can control the brightness of the cockpit in the options).
And that lighting engine in Forza is really, really bad. It makes tracks like this:
...look way worse than they need to.
Lighting is damn difficult to do (only a handful of devs have got it "right") so I hope the T10 team spend a good amount of resources on it.
Yeah, real talk, my Forza doesn't look that bright green and red either. I've never seen grass THAT green in Forza. I mean, it's pretty saturated, but this is leading me to believe they're capture settings set the contrast to very low for GT and very high for Forza.frontieruk said:
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Have we really reverted to comparing shots from the bullshot generator modes? They should be no where near this thread, last I checked, the 360 was perfectly capable of displaying jpegs as well.
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chubigans said:
It was, and it's still too dark even with that in mind. Doesn't look like that at all on my TV.
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