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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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Ploid 3.0
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Looks like you do. I banged up my cars bad, cost me 500k to fix the car I have now. Also you can wear out the motor too it seems. It's less expensive to overhaul the motor from what I seen. Don't know how you mess up the motor though. Makes me not want to drive my rare cars, I'm bound to hit something and it's very expensive.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Carwash area. Where you paint your car and maintenance. It dont look crumpled it just gives your performance back (horse power or something I guess). I only overhauled my engine once and by mistake on a used Shelby. Cost me over 200 grand. Crazy
When you crash up your car it don't stay that way after the race. I guess Kaz and crew thought about keeping them jacked up like dirt on cars and oil (although oil isn't visible).
When you crash up your car it don't stay that way after the race. I guess Kaz and crew thought about keeping them jacked up like dirt on cars and oil (although oil isn't visible).
200 grand? Fucking hell - you may as well buy a new car.
I prefer Forza 3's system where it is deducted from your winnings if you damage your car pretty badly.
The fact you don't even see the car damaged and have to pay that much money in GT5 sounds like its going to drive me nuts :\
I prefer Forza 3's system where it is deducted from your winnings if you damage your car pretty badly.
The fact you don't even see the car damaged and have to pay that much money in GT5 sounds like its going to drive me nuts :\
Stripper13
Member
So I've decided to return GT5 tomorrow as I'm just tiring of it.
The menus, loading and just cumbersome feel of the game just make anything outside of the actual racing an awful chore. While I appreciate the content (and there is alot), the races are pretty standard fare for a racer. The 16 cars on track does little to add to the experience and I'm finding the challenges (got gold on VW bus challenge, silver on lotus) to be challenging bordering (and often crossing into) on frustration.
The tracks are great, with some awesome originals (the cape is awesome) and brilliant actual tracks - it's just a shame that alot of the environment visuals etc are so disappointing. I'm find the weather and day/night cycles are a gimmick at best most of the time. While I appreciate the tech involved - it's not adding much to the gameplay or feel, for me at least.
The online system in it's current state is awful and truly worse than forza 3 and many other racers this gen - it was clearly an afterthought which is obscene from a high profile developer.
I had some friends around on the weekend and we played the shit out of the game - and we all (even the forza/xbox hater) agreed the graphics in game - while matching if not smashing forza's visuals - are still pretty disappointing. No amount of resolution or FPS advantages in the engine will make up for the drops, bizarre ugly environments and awful screen tearing (it truly is awful).
Most importantly (and it took a while for me to realize just how much I want it) the lack of customization is fucking awful. I finally decided to buy a Premium model and was shocked at how little you can actually do - particularly with wheels/sizes etc. A paint editor is a glaring omission also.
It's a shame really, as the handling/physics are easily the best I've played in terms of feedback and the 'real' feel. I kept with the game after my initial disappointment as I felt that the graphics potential (some of the photos and replays are mind blowing) and feel of the driving would be enough to tide me over. While I really enjoy alot of elements (2player splits reen go karts is awesome fun), it's clear that alot of features that exist in forza (and many other racers) that I took for granted are for more important to my enjoyment of this genre they seemed.
On a side note - I started playing pgr4 again last night and easily got into a great lag/ping lobby for some fantastic racing (can someone explain cat and mouse in detail to me though - I couldn't work the scoring out at all). While I understand the 30fps lower res tech is nowhere near as impressive - it 'looks' alot better. The environments are really busy and beautiful, the motion blur and vibration/screenshake feedback adds a far superior sense of speed, there is some customization of the paintwork, the online system is decent, the car models and cockpits are good but not great, and the single player has a lot of variety given that it is all circuit racing in some form. Can't believe I gave up on this game when I first picked it up - I'm having alot of fun with it.
The menus, loading and just cumbersome feel of the game just make anything outside of the actual racing an awful chore. While I appreciate the content (and there is alot), the races are pretty standard fare for a racer. The 16 cars on track does little to add to the experience and I'm finding the challenges (got gold on VW bus challenge, silver on lotus) to be challenging bordering (and often crossing into) on frustration.
The tracks are great, with some awesome originals (the cape is awesome) and brilliant actual tracks - it's just a shame that alot of the environment visuals etc are so disappointing. I'm find the weather and day/night cycles are a gimmick at best most of the time. While I appreciate the tech involved - it's not adding much to the gameplay or feel, for me at least.
The online system in it's current state is awful and truly worse than forza 3 and many other racers this gen - it was clearly an afterthought which is obscene from a high profile developer.
I had some friends around on the weekend and we played the shit out of the game - and we all (even the forza/xbox hater) agreed the graphics in game - while matching if not smashing forza's visuals - are still pretty disappointing. No amount of resolution or FPS advantages in the engine will make up for the drops, bizarre ugly environments and awful screen tearing (it truly is awful).
Most importantly (and it took a while for me to realize just how much I want it) the lack of customization is fucking awful. I finally decided to buy a Premium model and was shocked at how little you can actually do - particularly with wheels/sizes etc. A paint editor is a glaring omission also.
It's a shame really, as the handling/physics are easily the best I've played in terms of feedback and the 'real' feel. I kept with the game after my initial disappointment as I felt that the graphics potential (some of the photos and replays are mind blowing) and feel of the driving would be enough to tide me over. While I really enjoy alot of elements (2player splits reen go karts is awesome fun), it's clear that alot of features that exist in forza (and many other racers) that I took for granted are for more important to my enjoyment of this genre they seemed.
On a side note - I started playing pgr4 again last night and easily got into a great lag/ping lobby for some fantastic racing (can someone explain cat and mouse in detail to me though - I couldn't work the scoring out at all). While I understand the 30fps lower res tech is nowhere near as impressive - it 'looks' alot better. The environments are really busy and beautiful, the motion blur and vibration/screenshake feedback adds a far superior sense of speed, there is some customization of the paintwork, the online system is decent, the car models and cockpits are good but not great, and the single player has a lot of variety given that it is all circuit racing in some form. Can't believe I gave up on this game when I first picked it up - I'm having alot of fun with it.
Death Dealer
Member
LCfiner said:
Not. the. same.
Pausing a game to take a piss or roll a smoke is not the same as an, imo, a "dumbed down", mainstreaming, ADHD crowd, rewind feature. Timmah!
You should not get unlimited "chances" in a racing sim. The idea just doesn't sit well with me. And I don't think it should be an option either.
But ultimately it's not important. I know GT will never include such a feature.
Psychotext
Member
He mentioned Forza a couple of times. That post would have got him banned in the OT.mil6es said:
This is exactly the right place for it.
brain_stew
Member
skybaby said:
There's honestly nothing technically impressive about the lighting in GT5 tbh. Polyphony's artists just seem to be able to bake better lightmaps.
For me, artistically GT5 takes it, but technically, I'm giving the nod to Forza. Achieving a 100% locked 60fps framerate is not something to be sniffed at, especially when your competition is dropping to 30fps at times, and its so vital for the genre. Far too many shortucts, artefacts and inconsistincies in GT5. Not nearly enough resources were dedicated to the environments in GT5 either, and since this is what I'm looking at 90% of the time, well, I can't reason it. Too much focus on the bullshot generator and not enough focus on ingame visuals for my liking.
Is there at least an option to forever banish the standard cars? Can I play through the single player without ever seeing one?
TheExecutive
Member
Niks said:
Umm yeah. GT's lighting puts it leagues ahead of the competition.
TheExecutive
Member
Lagspike_exe said:
I may be wrong but isn't there a ton of resources used to get the 1080 resolution?
Psychotext
Member
Problem with that is that it still drops sub 60 when it's running in 720p with only 1 or 2 cars on the track (I've seen it happen a ton of times on the Mercedes special events).mil6es said:
Psychotext
Member
What do you think causes tearing to occur? The frame rate dropping below 60fps.mil6es said:
...and I've had some pretty noticeable slowdown at certain areas of the full lap. I'll admit that I'm very sensitive to it though.
brain_stew
Member
mil6es said:
Then ditch it, or at least give me an option to turn it all off. I don't care for bullet points if all they're doing is degrading my experience. The weather effects are rendered with a ridiculous 1/16th resolution buffer, there's nothing impressive about that, and we've all seen the utterly hideous artefacts it can produce.
If the game drops to 30fps when all those 16 cars are displayed, then the engine clearly isn't upto the task, so reduce the number of ingame car models.
If the performance tanks when heavy weather effects kick in (and it does) then ditch them or rewrite your engine. The current solution only degrades the experience.
1280x1080 is 50% more resolution, sure, and its appreciated but the engine just doesn't seem to be up to it. Its a pita to force the 720p mode and that doesn't fix the performance problems anyway, so that point is moot.
mil6es said:
Protip: if your game is tearing then its dropping frames. So yes, you've seen both in your game, you've just not noticed it.
Stripper13
Member
Psychotext said:
This mostly. I considered posting in the OT but you only have to read a few posts there to see that nearly everyone participating is actively enjoying the game. I figured my post would more or less be considered trolling by many of the thread regulars. More importantly, my post was meant to in the context of not only what GT5 wrong but also what forza 3 did right. For the record - I have no intention of returning to forza 3 over gt5 - rather I will stick with some arcade racers (pgr, tdu, nfs etc) until I don't feel so burnout in the sim genre.
Another side note - is the new NFS worth the trade in money from GT5? I'm hearing mixed impressions - but I really enjoyed burnout paradise but disliked not having any decent customization. Yay or nay for NFS?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Which is partially why this thread was created, sadly. Too many outlandish trolls in both threads made it all that much easier to lump any criticism, legitimate or not, as a potential troll.Stripper13 said:
Ploid 3.0
Member
Oh boy, the rewind thing again. Please keep that out of GT Kaz, I like screwing up and fighting for my position back. Rewind would be too tempting not to use, and not being on a leader board or slightly less credits isn't enough reason not to cheat with it. Voiding the race all together turning it into a exhibition race or time trial unlimited laps included would be the only conditions I wouldn't hate PD for including it. The main reason people seem to want it is is to practice taking a corner anyway.
painful fart
Member
Indeed! Shogun Pai made me lose my faith in humanity.XiaNaphryz said:
At least he was frank about it, eventually, but most trolls are not so you really don´t know when somone has an agenda or not, just by reading a post.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Shurs said:
Awkward.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Tesselated crowds in Dirt 2 fucking obliterate the shit they pass as crowds in the stands in these two games.
Windom Earle
Member
Psychotext said:
720p performance boost is very slight because it uses 4XAA instead of 2X
Stripper13
Member
iamcenok said:
Really? Awful. Man I want another 'great' underground or most wanted game.
Another side note - anyone having any information regarding release date and Customisation in TDU2? Is it going to be like the original with stage kit upgrades and limited paint options?
I'm still not really wowed by the damage in GT5. I mean, wowed by the wireframe deformation, but some of the things that stretch (well, *everything* that stretches) just looks peculiar. Technically I prefer it to F3 but visually I think the damage in Forza looks more realistic.
Someone combine the two! Shift 2 maybe? :lol
Someone combine the two! Shift 2 maybe? :lol
Death Dealer
Member
Stallion Free said:
The crowds in GT5 are terrible. Is it really that hard to add some variety to the hues of the shirts ? Everyone in the crowd has one of about 5 different colors.
cgcg said:
IMO, The clean image quality is a godsend, cause you need to look so far into the distance to anticipate the next turn. I didn't notice the framerate dips when I am racing, so I'd like it to stay the way it is, thank you very much. They should just optimize the engine as much as they can.
phosphor112
Banned
Because the crowds are tessellated on the console versions....Stallion Free said:
I don't think there's any customisation in TDU2... pretty sure they prefer to focus on the RPG-esque customisation like houses, garages etc.Stripper13 said:
FWIW I was never really a big fan of the direction NFS went with the customising of things. Always thought they did the interactive magazine-type focus really well. Learned more about cars in the first two NFS games than any other game since.
Stripper13
Member
sdornan said:
I'll take that as a recommendation?