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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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LabouredSubterfuge
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Painraze said:
It's called competition.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Painraze said:
Perhaps we just feel different on the matter.
A lap done without aid and one done with rewind are such fundamentally different things they ought not be considered in the same vein, imo. At the very least I'd want separate leaderboards entirely.
LabouredSubterfuge
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ElNino said:
Not so bad. That's much better than I was expecting, especially that it flags cut corners and drafting too.
Ok guys please get informed before you rail on the leaderboards in Forza.
I was really impressed by how the handle the aids.
If you use rewind you are below everyone who hasn't
Its works really well for comparisons too when you split it between friends or people you follow.
Edit: beat, do you research guys.
I was really impressed by how the handle the aids.
If you use rewind you are below everyone who hasn't
Its works really well for comparisons too when you split it between friends or people you follow.
Edit: beat, do you research guys.
Not only that, if you are flagged during the last section of one lap (ie. cutting the last corner, drafting down the straight before the start/finish, etc) than it will automatically flag the next lap as well to prevent you from getting an unfair start to the next lap. It can actually be a bit too extreme sometimes.LabouredSubterfuge said:
LabouredSubterfuge said:
Yes, exaclty.
Offline mode lets me figure out on my own how to add, subtract, divide, differentiate, whatever, how many apples I have. I am free to make mistakes and experiment.
In the real world (online racing) if I make a mistake then I lose.
brain_stew said:
The locked at 60fps thing is a bit loaded though since F3 also drops frames. And despite the drop to 35fps in that one particular test, the average frame rate for GT5 was still 57fps. Which is perfectly acceptable. It's the tearing that's the problem, not the frame rate.
LordPhoque
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And he was talking about misinformation :lol
Hanmik said:
Interesting comparison. Are there similar tests from other tracks?
ShapeGSX said:
From my experience with the game, this usually only happens in big pile ups or collisions. In other words, where it's not as noticeable. I honestly think people are expecting way too much from this game. If a rare drop to such frame rates but an average of 57fps is what it takes to get the visual fidelity of GT5 with (more importantly) 16 cars in screen, so be it. Those additional cars on the track add a huge amount to the experience.
It's the tearing that they need to work on.
JRW said:
That's the sad part, a good number of cars sounded good but you've got to admit some of them are recycled from GT5P. But this.... hollly shiiit, The rotary engine and the exhaust notes. yuuumm
skip to 5:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSz2h1b71v0&hd=1
That difference is significant enough to indicate that the track might be off a bit, but it could also be how the car was setup as well I guess.iceatcs said:
I'm also wondering why the GT5 times aren't better than real life. All things being equal, you should be able to post better times in any simulation as apposed to real life as you don't need to worry about crossing the threshold and crashing your car. With enough laps you should be able to come pretty close to the perfect lap while in real life there will always be a something left on the track.
scorpian007
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Jonsoncao
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http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51645053.html
new analysis of framerate cockpit vs bumper cam
Special Stage Route 7
通常：Avg:43.400fps Min-Max:35.5-53.5fps Tear:70.222%
車内：Avg:37.483fps Min-Max:31.0-45.5fps Tear:60.500%
Chamonix
通常:Avg:52.733fps Min-Max:43.5-58.0fps Tear:84.306%
車内:Avg:47.900fps Min-Max:40.0-54.5fps Tear:78.250%
London
通常:Avg:57.110fps Min-Max:48.5-60.0fps Tear:53.002%
車内:Avg:48.400fps Min-Max:39.5-57.0fps Tear:78.385%
new analysis of framerate cockpit vs bumper cam
Special Stage Route 7
通常：Avg:43.400fps Min-Max:35.5-53.5fps Tear:70.222%
車内：Avg:37.483fps Min-Max:31.0-45.5fps Tear:60.500%
Chamonix
通常:Avg:52.733fps Min-Max:43.5-58.0fps Tear:84.306%
車内:Avg:47.900fps Min-Max:40.0-54.5fps Tear:78.250%
London
通常:Avg:57.110fps Min-Max:48.5-60.0fps Tear:53.002%
車内:Avg:48.400fps Min-Max:39.5-57.0fps Tear:78.385%
Crisco said:
Yeah, GT5 definitely uses the LFE a lot. I have mine hooked up to a subwoofer and two bass shakers mounted under the couch. The bass shakers can actually get annoying since the LFE gets used for music, too. The music is mixed in really low in the game, but the bass from it is off the charts, like it is mixed wrong. It sounds great in movies and for regular music, though. My receiver has Audyssey and I have calibrated the system with the mic in 8 different places.
scorpian007
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Still, it shouldn't be so dumb that the other drivers don't avoid collisions.
PjotrStroganov
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JRW said:
It's really inconsistent. The Nascars and musclecars sound really good. Most of the new supercars as wel. But I have the suspicion that they re-used the engine sounds samples of GT4 for some of their Premium counterparts.
The stealth SLS especially made a negative impression on me. It sounds like a 4 cylinder with that typical hollow GT4 sound.
Thought you guys might enjoy reading this thread.
Forza community is pretty positive on GT5.
Forza GT5 Thread
Forza community is pretty positive on GT5.
Forza GT5 Thread
scorpian007 said:
That happens in both games though. There's always glitches or stupid AI videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZQtLAHNs3I&feature=related
His point is that at low levels GT5 AI will make mistakes like that. There is also a video I cant find where the first dozen or so high level AI players avoid a collision fine, and the last few low level AI players fail to avoid it. So it may be an AI design choice, however weird that may be.
theignoramus
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probably a greater racing fan to system warrior ratio than on gaf.Gowans007 said:
seattle6418
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PjotrStroganov said:
They definately worked on samples.
It seems like they got a lot of new samples. Also, it appears that they have a base engine for a brand and just tweak the sounds for each model. (BMW´s have a similar sound, same goes for Ferraris, Hondas, etc).
I just bought my 3000GT VR4 and i tested before modding and it sounded ok. After buying the exaust package, now it really sounds awesome. I hope doing this to the Ferraris helps a bit. They are the only ones so far that i didn´t liked the sound.
For good sounds i also imperative to use the chase view. I know not a lot of people use this one, but for hearing the engine it´s the best.
I fired up Forza 3 last night after playing GT5 a decent amount since its release. It surprised me how much better interaction between cars is handled in Forza. When you hit another car at 100 MPH, it feels and sounds like you hit another car at 100 MPH. The car unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end actually reacts to the force of being hit and is displaced accordingly. In GT, it's just a tinny "thud" and both cars keep moving almost as if nothing happened.
Forza's AI is also significantly better than GT5's. In Forza, it actually feels like the other cars are aware that you're on the track. They'll try to cut you off if they can do so without too much risk. I can't really say the same for GT5.
That said, the lighting in GT5 is significantly better. GT5's premium models look quite a bit better than Forza's models, which I think is primarily because of the lighting. Hope Forza 4's lighting is much improved.
Forza's AI is also significantly better than GT5's. In Forza, it actually feels like the other cars are aware that you're on the track. They'll try to cut you off if they can do so without too much risk. I can't really say the same for GT5.
That said, the lighting in GT5 is significantly better. GT5's premium models look quite a bit better than Forza's models, which I think is primarily because of the lighting. Hope Forza 4's lighting is much improved.
Stallion Free
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So I guess by Kaz's standard, GT5 is no longer worthy of being considered a videogame?Jonsoncao said:
I NEED SCISSORS
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Jonsoncao said:
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus. Triple-buffering, PD, triple-buffering. I know a torn frame is still a dropped frame, but at least make it less noticeable. They are already targeting 60fps so it's not like input lag will increase to an unacceptable level.
Should those tearing scores read as '100% = Full Tearing' or '100% = No Tearing'.
It has to be the latter. I've played about 20 hours of GT5 now and whilst I've noticed the tearing, it is nowhere near as bad as those numbers would seem to suggest.
Anyway, my final scores are: Forza 3 - 9.173, GT5 - 9.792. GT5 wins. I cannot show you my workings.
It has to be the latter. I've played about 20 hours of GT5 now and whilst I've noticed the tearing, it is nowhere near as bad as those numbers would seem to suggest.
Anyway, my final scores are: Forza 3 - 9.173, GT5 - 9.792. GT5 wins. I cannot show you my workings.
I NEED SCISSORS
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SmokyDave said:
Say you capture 60 seconds of 60fps footage (60x60), that equals 3600 frames of footage. If 70% = torn, that means 2520 frames will exhibit tearing.
My guess is that the tearing is often located in the top part of the screen where the bright sky usually is, so it will be less noticeable. Sometimes games even hide the tearing in the overscan area that a lot of shitty TVs cut off, such as Prince of Persia 2008 or bizarrely the cutscenes in Vanquish (360) - but this trick is useless for people with a decent screen which doesn't have overscan problems.
