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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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ExtraKr1spy
Banned
supermackem said:
Try:
-Adding more downforce
Default settings:
[--------------|---------------]front
[--------------|---------------]rear
what I set mine to:
[-----------------|------------]front
[---------------------|--------]rear
-decreasing the tire pressure by 1 or 2 psi(30/30 is default iirc but my go to settings are usually F29/R29 or F30/R28)
If I remember rightly, I used the Porsche 911 GT1 with a 4WD swap, careful tuning and plenty upgrades. It handled like it was on rails. I adore that car and it's the first one I jump into when I fire up F3.supermackem said:What R1 car did you use in the home stretch on forza, its pretty damn tough as shit the last year in the season mode. FUCK YOU R1.
I don't know, I'm not really into FPS. If it is, the 'net will be awash with rage.ghst said:
Apex
Member
FM series always have been far from accurate real world times, aside of the steering aids and control buffers the tires have too much grip. The engine, drive train and traction simulation lacks most of the characteristics that define the personality of certain models such a proper turbo lag, the importance of gear changes at certain revs for best performance or an accurate drivetrain simulation that shows the real differences between a Mitsubishi EVO, an Audi Quattro or a GT-R and not only speed. Also the weight transfer is very weak simulated making the driving, braking, turning and pointing the car an unrealistic easy task.Slayer-33 said:
It's a nice game but the driving model lacks a lot of real world authenticity.
So Forza has flying cars and soccer physics? Puts things in a new light after all the GT5 trolling by reviewers.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpWMCj6yMhA&feature=related
holy shiiit!
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpWMCj6yMhA&feature=related
holy shiiit!
phosphor112
Banned
So Forza being out longer allows for a 6 second time difference from real life tracks? Makes perfect sense.Timedog said:
Jonsoncao said:
Netcode is not part of the game?
Oh well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpWMCj6yMhA&feature=related
elohel said:
Depends what exactly you didn't like about it. If you played the FM3 demo and you didn't like it graphically well then things aren't going to change. That's one of the best looking tracks in the game.
If you didn't like the handling, sounds, track, tuning, etc. etc. well there are tons of cars, racing series, and options for real gear heads that will keep you busy for hours. Maybe rent it?
Every sim racer has physics bugs, some are worse than others, and they're not an indicator of the quality of said physics.
No, it doesn't. A 5 second difference on a > 2:00 track is HUGE and can not be made up by having no fear of danger. These are top tier drivers we're talking about , those with world records, if they're not going 100% "attack mode" then they're at 99.8%. I'd be very surprised to see even a 0.5 second difference upon removing any danger.
vanty said:
No, it doesn't. A 5 second difference on a > 2:00 track is HUGE and can not be made up by having no fear of danger. These are top tier drivers we're talking about , those with world records, if they're not going 100% "attack mode" then they're at 99.8%. I'd be very surprised to see even a 0.5 second difference upon removing any danger.
LordPhoque
Banned
I don't have any problems with FM3's netcode, 90% of the games I play are lag-free.
All of these videos are dated (november-december 2009), game has been patched several times since then...
All of these videos are dated (november-december 2009), game has been patched several times since then...
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I'd assume the ISR guys will do something.saladine1 said:
XiaNaphryz said:
maybe you already know this but they already shot a video of the two games on the nurburgring GP circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1KVKSIVdK8
so I expect they'll have a lot more to talk about in the near future
infinityBCRT
Member
One absolutely huge negative on the Forza 3 side of things right now is that theres no first party steering wheel anymore. Other than the lack of 900 degree steering I think the MS Racing Wheel did it's job really well. It would be an absolute shame if they don't have plans to put out a new one by the time the next Forza game comes around. I love playing Forza with my wheel, and wish I could get my brother a wheel so we could play it online, but now its hard to find and/or prohibitively expensive.
I also think the Driving Force GT is slightly overpriced as well. I mentioned this in another post on GAF, that I think Logitech's gauging with wheel prices and the lack of any widely available/first party racing stands has partially killed the accessible sim racing genre and made it niche. People don't want to play racing games with controllers, but theres no practical/affordable way for them to play it with a wheel either.
I also think the Driving Force GT is slightly overpriced as well. I mentioned this in another post on GAF, that I think Logitech's gauging with wheel prices and the lack of any widely available/first party racing stands has partially killed the accessible sim racing genre and made it niche. People don't want to play racing games with controllers, but theres no practical/affordable way for them to play it with a wheel either.
Mistwalker said:
I believe the Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel is the only one.
infinityBCRT said:
Damn, really? The MS wheel was my first wheel. I don't think it was as good as the DFGT, but I liked the options to use it wirelessly and the built in lapstand. Too expensive when it was $150, but not too bad when it went under $100.
Massa said:
A new Forza for 2011 with Kinect support was announced at E3 2010.
It's probably Forza 4 with some Kinect modes (a new high end wheel from Fanatec that supports XBOX360/PS3 and probably PC is coming very soon and that could be another indication that it's Forza 4).
Forza 4 will be revealed a few months before release at E3 if it's done the same way as for Forza 3.
infinityBCRT
Member
They stopped making that wheel. They are about to announce a new one in a few days, but no idea whether or not that will also support PS3. And its not really affordable =/. This brings up another gripe of mine-- why the hell doesn't Xbox support Logitech wheels? Is it that Sony has locked up an exclusive deal with Logitech? Or has MS blocked Logitech?noire said:
CozMick said:
ya i know there is a 6MT version but the car in the video clearly has paddles :lol
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
It will very likely support PS3. As for affordable, keep in mind the Fanatec wheels are usually at the higher end of wheels. So if you were going to buy a G27, the price is actually pretty comparable.infinityBCRT said:
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
infinityBCRT said:
and omg look at this shit...
http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=240&lang=en
holy fucking shit.
can someone buy this for me? :lol
Mistwalker said:
http://www.911wheel.de/?q=node/4621
Fanatec's previous XBOX360 wheel was PC/PS3 compatible so this one will probably also
work on all 3 platforms.
Edit:
Insidesimracing said that the wheel is compatible with PS3.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
That's my guess as well. Which is a bit silly, any added costs would easily be offset by the increased sales they'd be getting.noire said:
CozMick said:
Can't have both, it's a glitch.
Vicetrailia
Member
I just want to know one thing.
Why would people want to play a driving game without a wheel or a controller? I'm talking about Kinect support, why would anyone want to do this?
Obviously it isn't realistic so why?
Why would people want to play a driving game without a wheel or a controller? I'm talking about Kinect support, why would anyone want to do this?
Obviously it isn't realistic so why?
I finally got to sit down and try out my copy of GT5 with my Fanatec PWTS yesterday. Here are my impressions.
Before we start, however, please understand that I really did want GT5 to be better than FM3. Just as I want FM4 to be better than GT5. I own both consoles and don't have any special affinity for either of them. Unlike, I'd guess, some of the holy crusaders in this thread. And with that, prepare for some GT5 trash-talking!
My first impression was that the presentation was laughably atrocious. From the bizarre opening movie, the Pilotwings-like elevator music (and I'm a jazz lover!), and the cumbersome menus, I began to get worried. Oh, ok, it's time to pick my race outfit. Well, I'd much rather just race, but okay. Now I have to pick a background color? And a picture? Set my home message? Well, this is irritating. I couldn't help but contrast this to FM3 in which I already would have been guided through the intro with a well-produced voiceover and put into an R8 for a teaser. I felt as if I had gone back in time to 1998.
But I'm a reasonable guy. I realize that the racing is where it all happens, so I'm willing to put up with the clunky presentation. So let's pick a car don't laugh but the MX5 is one that I know pretty well so let's start there. I had heard that not all cockpits were modeled, but it was a little disappointing to see this realized with my very first ride. I thought that I could overlook this, but I guess I'm just too anal.
I take off in my first race and immediately start noticing some signs of trouble. I don't need to go into the visual problems that people seem so focused on, but needless to say that the game looks great until it doesn't. Then it gets ugly. I can usually overlook texture issues and mild tearing, etc but framerate drops are hugely disappointing in a racing game. FM3 isn't perfect in visuals, but it seems to usually do okay in the framerate department with a few exceptions.
What I did appreciate at this point was the driving model, particularly with the weight transfer. I play with all assists off and it felt surprisingly good-maybe even better than FM3. However, and this is a big one for me, the lousy rumble, force feedback, and sounds make it extremely hard to get any feedback about the car other than visual feedback. What I mean is that there is little indicator of what's happening when I begin to oversteer, slide, or lose traction. It's an odd sensation when things begin to go wrong, almost as if the back end of the car just gracefully starts to float away with no sign of trouble. The whole driving model feels more organic compared to FM3, which could be a good thing if the haptic and aural feedback were better. I didn't get into tuning to see how this affects the modeling, but this is big for me.
One other issue with the feedback is how GT5 handles the clutch and 6-speed shifter. The clutch has a very, very, small biting point that makes it tricky to feather. More importantly, the clutch will not engage if the accelerator is down even a little bit. It actually throws you into neutral or reverse with no indication that it has interpreted this as a mis-shift. It's surprising that they got this so wrong when FM3 has a pretty good clutch/shifter system despite there being only one wheel that supports this. Bizarre.
I raced more throughout the evening and really did try to give GT5 a chance, but I'm afraid that the problems that I have with it are just too glaring. It's a shame because I think that there's a good game in there and some of the features blow FM3 away. I guess I'll look forward to FM4 at this point and hope that it combines the best of both games. Then again, the talk of Kinect has me a little worried about the future of that series.
I think I'll put GT5 on the shelf in the meantime.
Before we start, however, please understand that I really did want GT5 to be better than FM3. Just as I want FM4 to be better than GT5. I own both consoles and don't have any special affinity for either of them. Unlike, I'd guess, some of the holy crusaders in this thread. And with that, prepare for some GT5 trash-talking!
My first impression was that the presentation was laughably atrocious. From the bizarre opening movie, the Pilotwings-like elevator music (and I'm a jazz lover!), and the cumbersome menus, I began to get worried. Oh, ok, it's time to pick my race outfit. Well, I'd much rather just race, but okay. Now I have to pick a background color? And a picture? Set my home message? Well, this is irritating. I couldn't help but contrast this to FM3 in which I already would have been guided through the intro with a well-produced voiceover and put into an R8 for a teaser. I felt as if I had gone back in time to 1998.
But I'm a reasonable guy. I realize that the racing is where it all happens, so I'm willing to put up with the clunky presentation. So let's pick a car don't laugh but the MX5 is one that I know pretty well so let's start there. I had heard that not all cockpits were modeled, but it was a little disappointing to see this realized with my very first ride. I thought that I could overlook this, but I guess I'm just too anal.
I take off in my first race and immediately start noticing some signs of trouble. I don't need to go into the visual problems that people seem so focused on, but needless to say that the game looks great until it doesn't. Then it gets ugly. I can usually overlook texture issues and mild tearing, etc but framerate drops are hugely disappointing in a racing game. FM3 isn't perfect in visuals, but it seems to usually do okay in the framerate department with a few exceptions.
What I did appreciate at this point was the driving model, particularly with the weight transfer. I play with all assists off and it felt surprisingly good-maybe even better than FM3. However, and this is a big one for me, the lousy rumble, force feedback, and sounds make it extremely hard to get any feedback about the car other than visual feedback. What I mean is that there is little indicator of what's happening when I begin to oversteer, slide, or lose traction. It's an odd sensation when things begin to go wrong, almost as if the back end of the car just gracefully starts to float away with no sign of trouble. The whole driving model feels more organic compared to FM3, which could be a good thing if the haptic and aural feedback were better. I didn't get into tuning to see how this affects the modeling, but this is big for me.
One other issue with the feedback is how GT5 handles the clutch and 6-speed shifter. The clutch has a very, very, small biting point that makes it tricky to feather. More importantly, the clutch will not engage if the accelerator is down even a little bit. It actually throws you into neutral or reverse with no indication that it has interpreted this as a mis-shift. It's surprising that they got this so wrong when FM3 has a pretty good clutch/shifter system despite there being only one wheel that supports this. Bizarre.
I raced more throughout the evening and really did try to give GT5 a chance, but I'm afraid that the problems that I have with it are just too glaring. It's a shame because I think that there's a good game in there and some of the features blow FM3 away. I guess I'll look forward to FM4 at this point and hope that it combines the best of both games. Then again, the talk of Kinect has me a little worried about the future of that series.
I think I'll put GT5 on the shelf in the meantime.
I wish I had a link but I can't remember where I read this...
I think the 360 uses a very different method of inputting force feedback values. Like it's a set library of reactions instead of the more traditional way the ps3 and pc handle feedback values.
I believe fanatec had to build custom electronics to parse the 360 ffb commands. This may be a reason logitech hasn't bothered.
I'll look for a link later on when I have a bit of time.
Edit. Found it
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=125840
It's explained by a guy in purple text and confirmed by someone at fanatec
I think the 360 uses a very different method of inputting force feedback values. Like it's a set library of reactions instead of the more traditional way the ps3 and pc handle feedback values.
I believe fanatec had to build custom electronics to parse the 360 ffb commands. This may be a reason logitech hasn't bothered.
I'll look for a link later on when I have a bit of time.
Edit. Found it
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=125840
It's explained by a guy in purple text and confirmed by someone at fanatec
infinityBCRT
Member
The problem is, there IS no decent low end option right now for Xbox 360.XiaNaphryz said:
That being said if I was going between a G27 and Fanatec, I'd probably go for the Fanatec due to cross-platform compatibility.
I tried using the wheel in my lap for dirt. DID NOT WORK :lol. Never tried it with another game.noire said:
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Can anyone with a G25/27 give their impressions to compare with the Fanatec on this?Plippy said:
ExtraKr1spy
Banned
Plippy said:
I don't believe you bro.
You ain't Level 40 yet.
It doesn't matter if you're a pro or a novice true GT fans know that even if you have both games when it comes to GT5 there's only Level 40.
ssolitare said:
Why do you guys keep talking like you have to play it with kinect? Its just a feature they are adding for the casuals. You and I may not enjoy it but a 6 year old kid may think its freakin awesome. Outside of that being able to tour around the car with the kinect seemed pretty neat but still just a feature. I am sure you will be able to do the same with a controller.
Its just like how Forza 3 has the autobrake feature. Its not like a majority of people are actually using it. Theres probably some kid out there who doesn't understand how to break proper though who would not enjoy the game without it.
MidnightRider
Banned
Catching up on the thread