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Sethos · Oct 9, 2011

Phonomezer · Oct 9, 2011

Someone should do a gif of Forza 4's review scores.

Off-screen, of course.

Raonak · Oct 9, 2011

Man.... I wish there was a way to turn off dust effects in GT(or turn off dust transparency) sometimes i puts me off racing in the dust/rain

highest highs and lowest lows. can't wait for spec II, needed an excuse to get back to the game.

keit4 · Oct 9, 2011

Can someone replicate this on GT5?

EDIT: ops, beaten

DOBERMAN INC · Oct 9, 2011

Phonomezer said:
Someone should do a gif of Forza 4's review scores.

Off-screen, of course.

I don't think sim fans care what game reviews better, your average journalist knows nothing about what makes a sim game enjoyable.

SunhiLegend · Oct 9, 2011

Raonak said:
Man.... I wish there was a way to turn off dust effects in GT(or turn off dust transparency) sometimes i puts me off racing in the dust/rain

Racing in the rain = low visibility behind cars. Someone mentioned to me while they were playing GT that the spray from the rain shouldn't be in the game and its too hard to see at night at the nurburgring, its a simulation what you get in real life is what you get in the game. I'm glad PD did not tone down the simulation aspect of the game to please DS3 users and I'm glad the game was built for a steering wheel because thats how a racing sim should be made.

KKRT00 · Oct 9, 2011

DOBERMAN INC said:
your average journalist knows nothing

Fixed.

offshore · Oct 9, 2011

DOBERMAN INC said:
your average journalist knows nothing about what makes a sim game enjoyable.

Good times :lol

drugstore_cowboy · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

offshore said:
Good times :lol

"I can totally drift in Burnout."

offshore · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
"I can totally drift in Burnout."

"I don't know why anyone would want to drive [in cockpit view]. I'm putting it back to chase cam. Much better."

soundscream · Oct 9, 2011

Toxa said:
this shot was taken with dynamic weather.

with dynamic weather when the sky is cloudy the lighting is very realistic. once , I was driving the Mclaren F1 Stealth in cockpit view and it looked real to me

It's Still Real To Me Dammit

p3tran · Oct 9, 2011

drugstore_cowboy said:

lol

rvy · Oct 9, 2011

SunhiLegend said:

Insane highs and insane lows. That's GT5 for you. If only the game stayed at the "insane highs" all the time.

saladine1 · Oct 9, 2011

No words...............

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

And 3 of those are standards.

Betta Lines · Oct 9, 2011

I was about to say that too. Most natural lighting evar.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

They're shopped though.

eso76 · Oct 9, 2011

gorgeous pics, but they're shopped to hell and back.

So, let's take something we can compare directly.
Indianapolis replay

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy_4SBf1wUQ

Forza 4 (first 30 seconds, then skip to 9'35" for the second part of the lap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5m50K2EAA

Forza 4 looks A LOT better here. Environments especially.

GTP_Daverytimes · Oct 9, 2011

Dead Man said:
Lots of people seem to be willing to ignore all of GT5's flaws because they consider them incidental to the driving. I can't. The design of the game is at the core of the enjoyment derived to me. I cannot say a game that has so many bizarre decisions in its design is a great game. It is a great driving experience, but it is a terrible anything else experience.

I haven't seen a GT fan that calls GT5 a "Great game", we all know the incredibly stupid decisions that PD made and if you look at GTplanet you will understand the amount of heat PD got. The only difference is that we do not dwell on those stupid choices, we enjoy the good things that GT5 has to offer. The good things might not outweigh the bad things in GT5 but we point out the bad and enjoy the good. If all we did was bitch about the bad then the person shouldn't be playing the game in the first place. Learn to enjoy the good things in life.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

eso76 said:
gorgeous pics, but they're shopped to hell and back.

So, let's take something we can compare directly.
Indianapolis replay

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy_4SBf1wUQ

Forza 4 (first 30 seconds, then skip to 9'35" for the second part of the lap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5m50K2EAA

Forza 4 looks A LOT better here. Environments especially.

It does?

eso76 · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
It does?

by a rather huge margin too, especially in regards to environment.

Melfice7 · Oct 9, 2011

keit4 said:
Can someone replicate this on GT5?

Reviews aren't some absolute fact, they're as good as my opinion or yours

Toxa · Oct 9, 2011

eso76 said:
gorgeous pics, but they're shopped to hell and back.

So, let's take something we can compare directly.
Indianapolis replay

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy_4SBf1wUQ

Forza 4 (first 30 seconds, then skip to 9'35" for the second part of the lap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5m50K2EAA

Forza 4 looks A LOT better here. Environments especially.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zUfftXgJZY#t=6m05s

GTP_Daverytimes · Oct 9, 2011

drugstore_cowboy said:

How did i miss this, thread keeps on delivering.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

eso76 said:
by a rather huge margin too, especially in regards to environment.

To each his own I guess.

Majanew · Oct 9, 2011

eso76 said:
gorgeous pics, but they're shopped to hell and back.

So, let's take something we can compare directly.
Indianapolis replay

GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy_4SBf1wUQ

Forza 4 (first 30 seconds, then skip to 9'35" for the second part of the lap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5m50K2EAA

Forza 4 looks A LOT better here. Environments especially.

GT5: Most realistic shadow crawl evAR! lol

eso76 · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
To each his own I guess.

Nope, sorry, that's not going to work. Way too easy.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

eso76 said:
Nope, sorry, that's not going to work. Way too easy.

Ok then,

better textures
better (more realistic) lighting
better car models
one is an online race the other one isn't

Forza 4 has more people in the crowds though. There's that.

bud · Oct 9, 2011

Iknos said:
The in cockpit lighting is much superior in 4za than in GT5.

... no. it really isn't.

lowrider007 · Oct 9, 2011

This probably isn't the right thread for diplomacy but I honestly think that the games look so similar now that ultimately it has to come down to feature set and preferred physics/ai engine.

I think being that these games pitch themselves as driving simulators the most important question imo is which one feels most true to real life, that is the winner imo, people seem to think graphics determine which is better but in a simulator I'd say that is pretty low in packing order.

Something that has always bothered me is that both games with either all the assists on or off seem to handle cornering very differently, I tend to find Forza is much more forgiving on the corners compared with GT and I can never decide if that means it's more or less realistic, I tend to prefer how Forza drives but I have a feeling that is because I find it easier.

RankoSD · Oct 9, 2011

Since we are playing the replicate game here is my contribution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Y0LwGxZcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KczhmNQt1HA

KKRT00 · Oct 9, 2011

Majanew said:
GT5: Most realistic shadow crawl evAR! lol

Yep, shadows in FM 4 are definitely better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zOrqRLFFqM&feature=player_embedded

That's without mentioning that most npc cars dont have selfshadowing at all and most dynamic object on tracks dont cast shadow at all

Toxa · Oct 9, 2011

bud said:
... no. it really isn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iseHMk1Vny0

there's no shadow in cockpit view for forza 4

Wazzim · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
It does?

Yeah, the reflections in GT5 are noticeably worse. They look more static than in the Forza video.

pmj · Oct 9, 2011

Mascot said:
Nobody from Turn 10 actually said that. I coined the phrase in one of the Forza threads and it kind of caught on.

(BTW, both the GT and FM series are brilliant. I know! I must be mad!)

Sorry about that. I didn't know where it came from so I googled it and got hits outside NeoGAF. I just assumed it was from one of the interviews.

AgentChris · Oct 9, 2011

/thread

OldJadedGamer · Oct 9, 2011

Melfice7 said:
Reviews aren't some absolute fact, they're as good as my opinion or yours

Not really though as no one is paying you to give your opinion.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

Not a complain cause it only happens during 1 frame or so, but anyone else noticed this? lol

Wazzim said:
Yeah, the reflections in GT5 are noticeably worse. They look more static than in the Forza video.

You mean more realistic?

You can barely see reflections in the Forza vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5m50K2EAA&t=10m21s

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy_4SBf1wUQ&t=5m16s

Chinner · Oct 9, 2011

does forza or gran turismo have green shells in them?

Majanew · Oct 9, 2011

AgentChris said:
/thread

Nah.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gran-turismo-5-tech-analysis

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/forza-motorsport-4

/thread

Xun · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
Not a complain cause it only happens during 1 frame or so, but anyone else noticed this? lol

I've noticed it before, but I just couldn't be bothered to mention it.

It is rather strange.

Metalmurphy · Oct 9, 2011

OldJadedGamer said:
Not really though as no one is paying you to give your opinion.

And what makes a paying opinion a more reliable one? lol

Xun said:
I've noticed it before, but I just couldn't be bothered to mention it.

It is rather strange.

Might be the IBL still loading or something.

Chinner said:
does forza or gran turismo have green shells in them?

Does The Witcher 2 have them?

keit4 · Oct 9, 2011

Metalmurphy said:
And what makes a paying opinion a more reliable one? lol

Well, in this thread the opinions are coming from a lot of biased people, so...

KKRT00 · Oct 9, 2011

Majanew said:
Nah.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gran-turismo-5-tech-analysis

You mean, that DF praise it as the most advance game on console? :>

ShapeGSX · Oct 9, 2011

Toxa said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iseHMk1Vny0

there's no shadow in cockpit view for forza 4

Yes there are shadows in cockpit view for Forza 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iaF78tdI4JE

pmj · Oct 9, 2011

ShapeGSX said:
Yes there are shadows in cockpit view for Forza 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iaF78tdI4JE

And they're a lot better than those in GT5!

On the other hand, the hands in Forza still suck. They desperately need to be redone.

Toxa · Oct 9, 2011

ShapeGSX said:
Yes there are shadows in cockpit view for Forza 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iaF78tdI4JE

the selfshadowing in cockpit view is much more advanced in GT5 making almost non-existent in forza 4

Betta Lines · Oct 9, 2011

pmj said:
On the other hand, the hands in Forza still suck. They desperately need to be redone.

Nope, it's the hands in GT5 that suck. The thumbs are in the wrong place.

ShapeGSX · Oct 9, 2011

Toxa said:
the selfshadowing in cockpit view is much more advanced in GT5 making almost non-existent in forza 4

Much lower resolution = much more advanced?

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