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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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FlutterPuffs
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My biggest problem with GT5 is that it seems that it can look way a lot better, but PD chose to make sacrifices on the graphics side of the game.
Granted it's still fun, but the niggling thoughts never goes away.
Granted it's still fun, but the niggling thoughts never goes away.
I'm speechless at that post. Someone trolling PGR4 hard, WTF ?pixelbox said:
I don't care if GT or FM are attacked but you don't touch to the holy PGR4.
FYI, PGR4 came out in 2007 and still shit on any racing game in regard to city environment modeling, texturing and lighting, sound, weather conditions available (dry, rain, snow, fog, icy, etc...). It was indeed 30 fps but with motion blur and locked (only dipped in replays cameras where you'd see all the cars during rain). Oh and the rain on the windshield was dynamic, the cars even had water/snow on them (not dynamic though). Finally, PGR4 brought us the reflection trick that would then be be used in other racers (FM3/4, Dirt 2/3, etc...).
Again, 2007, we just had GT HD/Prologue and FM2 back then...
It makes me sad to think that we'll never see what Bizarre Creations could have accomplished on a PGR5.
Sorry for the derailing, couldn't let this one pass !
You can resume the Vs stuff.
Jamesways
Member
G Rom said:I'm speechless at that post. Someone trolling PGR4 hard, WTF ?
I don't care if GT or FM are attacked but you don't touch to the holy PGR4.
FYI, PGR4 came out in 2007 and still shit on any racing game in regard to city environment modeling, texturing and lighting, sound, weather conditions available (dry, rain, snow, fog, icy, etc...). It was indeed 30 fps but with motion blur and locked (only dipped in replays cameras where you'd see all the cars during rain). Oh and the rain on the windshield was dynamic, the cars even had water/snow on them (not dynamic though). Finally, PGR4 brought us the reflection trick that would then be be used in other racers (FM3/4, Dirt 2/3, etc...).
Again, 2007, we just had GT HD/Prologue and FM2 back then...
It makes me sad to think that we'll never see what Bizarre Creations could have accomplished on a PGR5.
Sorry for the derailing, couldn't let this one pass !
You can resume the Vs stuff.
The FOV in the cockpits was more inconsistent than in PGR3.
They moved them for some of the same cars, making 'em too close and you couldn't see the gauges as well as you could in 3.
There, I said it.
That's pretty much my biggest beef between 3 and 4.
It is really sad we'll never see another one, such a great series.
diamondstar
Member
I'm pretty sure my post is irrelevant and will probably be overlooked since I can't get into a nitpicking technical argument with most here. But I just want to add my .01 cent.
I have played racing games for a while, all on consoles and completely unbiased. I have owned all FM and GT games. I got bored with GT and started becoming a fan of Forza more and more. I then purchased FM3 and realized I didn't play it as much. I also bought GT Prologue and GT5 and still didn't play them as much as I used to. I thought FM4 would be my savior so I blind bought the CE. GT5 has collected dust since then. It just felt like a boring game. I hated the interface and the races you were "forced" to do in order to level up. I loved the ease of Forza and being able to just fucking RACE.
So fast forward to today. Forza 4 has disappointed me. So I tried GT5 again the other night and really am blown away at the difference. For one the GT5 graphics really do blow away FM4. I game on a SONY KDL55NX810. I can actually see the road! Forza is really bad at being able to judge distance, especially when you need to come to a corner after a fast straight. I have never ran into so many walls in a racing game before as I have in Forza 4.
The environments are also pretty damn beautiful in GT5 compared to Forza. I know I will get a lot of shit for saying this but GT5 feels more "next-gen" graphic wise than Forza. GT5 just looks more clean and crisp compared to the overly bright jaggy mess that is Forza 4.
Secondly the atrocious AI of Forza 4. Jesus. With Forza I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place. I like racing single player to collect cars but I like the competition of human players. With Forza unfortunately both are pretty bad. It felt great to go back to GT5 and actually see the AI brake when I feel it should. It felt great to be able to ride directly behind a AI driver without much worry of them braking out of no where. It felt great to see me take an outside line and see an AI driver fly to the inside line.
And as far as multiplayer is concerned... In Forza why is it so hard to find races where people race with assists off? Am I missing something? Is there a "pro lobby" I can go to where the playing field is even as far as assists go? It's just frustrating to race against people taking the easy route when you aren't.
I also just want to note that I have had more fun driving with cars that I have not done a single modification to than I did with modified cars in Forza. This is due to the fact that GT5 feels like real driving IMO. Some guy in this thread said it perfectly. Something along the line of in GT you feel the more you drive the better you get. In Forza you feel sooner or later you will get lucky and win.
Summary:
-Basically I didn't give GT5 a fair chance and love it now
-Forza is not the game I hoped it would be(granted I still need to give it more time)
-GT5 IMO is the better driving game but still has a shitty single player interface
-Don't like the uneven racing fields when playing multiplayer in Forza 4.
I have played racing games for a while, all on consoles and completely unbiased. I have owned all FM and GT games. I got bored with GT and started becoming a fan of Forza more and more. I then purchased FM3 and realized I didn't play it as much. I also bought GT Prologue and GT5 and still didn't play them as much as I used to. I thought FM4 would be my savior so I blind bought the CE. GT5 has collected dust since then. It just felt like a boring game. I hated the interface and the races you were "forced" to do in order to level up. I loved the ease of Forza and being able to just fucking RACE.
So fast forward to today. Forza 4 has disappointed me. So I tried GT5 again the other night and really am blown away at the difference. For one the GT5 graphics really do blow away FM4. I game on a SONY KDL55NX810. I can actually see the road! Forza is really bad at being able to judge distance, especially when you need to come to a corner after a fast straight. I have never ran into so many walls in a racing game before as I have in Forza 4.
The environments are also pretty damn beautiful in GT5 compared to Forza. I know I will get a lot of shit for saying this but GT5 feels more "next-gen" graphic wise than Forza. GT5 just looks more clean and crisp compared to the overly bright jaggy mess that is Forza 4.
Secondly the atrocious AI of Forza 4. Jesus. With Forza I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place. I like racing single player to collect cars but I like the competition of human players. With Forza unfortunately both are pretty bad. It felt great to go back to GT5 and actually see the AI brake when I feel it should. It felt great to be able to ride directly behind a AI driver without much worry of them braking out of no where. It felt great to see me take an outside line and see an AI driver fly to the inside line.
And as far as multiplayer is concerned... In Forza why is it so hard to find races where people race with assists off? Am I missing something? Is there a "pro lobby" I can go to where the playing field is even as far as assists go? It's just frustrating to race against people taking the easy route when you aren't.
I also just want to note that I have had more fun driving with cars that I have not done a single modification to than I did with modified cars in Forza. This is due to the fact that GT5 feels like real driving IMO. Some guy in this thread said it perfectly. Something along the line of in GT you feel the more you drive the better you get. In Forza you feel sooner or later you will get lucky and win.
Summary:
-Basically I didn't give GT5 a fair chance and love it now
-Forza is not the game I hoped it would be(granted I still need to give it more time)
-GT5 IMO is the better driving game but still has a shitty single player interface
-Don't like the uneven racing fields when playing multiplayer in Forza 4.
See You Next Wednesday
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G Rom said:I'm speechless at that post. Someone trolling PGR4 hard, WTF ?
I don't care if GT or FM are attacked but you don't touch to the holy PGR4.
FYI, PGR4 came out in 2007 and still shit on any racing game in regard to city environment modeling, texturing and lighting, sound, weather conditions available (dry, rain, snow, fog, icy, etc...). It was indeed 30 fps but with motion blur and locked (only dipped in replays cameras where you'd see all the cars during rain). Oh and the rain on the windshield was dynamic, the cars even had water/snow on them (not dynamic though). Finally, PGR4 brought us the reflection trick that would then be be used in other racers (FM3/4, Dirt 2/3, etc...).
Again, 2007, we just had GT HD/Prologue and FM2 back then...
It makes me sad to think that we'll never see what Bizarre Creations could have accomplished on a PGR5.
Sorry for the derailing, couldn't let this one pass !
You can resume the Vs stuff.
PGR also have fully animated 3D modeled spectators that reacted to the cars instead of the low res sprite crap they use in GT & Forza.
Metalmurphy
Member
GT5 has 2D sprites on the stands, but it also has fully modeled 3D spectators that react to the car. They are however rendered at a low resolution, but they are 3D.See You Next Wednesday said:
Infact they even react to you crashing near them by "taking cover".
Wax Free Vanilla
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winner: gt5
still waiting on the forza 4 shot to add to the collection
Metalmurphy
Member
That Sanyo sign is the best rendered thing in the entire game.
Every time I pass it I go
"Holy crap that looks real"
"Ohhh so pretty"
"Yep, still real"
Every time I pass it I go
"Holy crap that looks real"
"Ohhh so pretty"
"Yep, still real"
BruiserBear
Banned
Metalmurphy said:
So true. That sign does look amazing.
Lagspike_exe
Member
The most hilarious thing is that while looking worst, PGR4 runs at half the framerate.
Except that pgr3s track is 20 times larger than GT5s.Wax Free Vanilla said:
winner: gt5
still waiting on the forza 4 shot to add to the collection
This is what i was talking about being the worst fanboys. You aren't being honest anymore. Look at apex's post fit example.
This is a reputation that's lasted for years and apparently isn't going to change anytime soon.
Murphy: problem is that I'm always busy Saturday nIghts. I'm always down some clean online GT5 racing...I'll have to figure something out.
Apex said:
You don't get PGR people.
Its the default excuse when forza's been battered to death.... oddly enough, none have ever seemed to have played a GT game. Yet always know what it doesn't have..
PGR was a good game. But not in the realm of GT. Might as well start talking about Shift & Need For speed.
People don't buy GT just for visuals alone, its visuals & the sim. People actually enjoy the challenge of the drive. The car porn goes hand in hand with what PD is pulling off. We all love cars, and some love to pull off great turns/driving performance.
Its something that no one really gets, when trying to compete with GT. Turn10 thought it was all about exotics, then they thought it was about customization, then they thought it was about approachability, now they think its about adding features from GT5 that Fm3 missed. If they focused on the sim, turning off perm assists, really focusing on visuals outside of just inheriting an IBL model, the franchise would sell more. Also, need to kill the BS about alienating 99% of your audience that has purchased a steering wheel that works for everything besides your xbox.
Then there are arcade racers...
Apex said:
I can smell the desperation in the air..
I said it wasn't a definitive list to argue over, I was trying to show that whatever you argue, resources are spent differently, so expect games to have differing strengths and weaknesses.
But way to miss the point, the fact you absolutely have to try and argue every single point is worse in FM4 is absolutely, balls to the wall, insane..
There is a massive list of differences you can go through, but what would be the point, I could also get desperate and mention Tree Physics as a strength of FM4.. LOL.. I mean a real simulation can't be a simulation unless tress sway realistically..
This thread is awesome, keep it coming, unless you are being serious, in which case, I apologise, if that's your 'opinion' and you feel GT5 is the be all and end all, good on you man, the game is a gem, and I don't want to argue against that..
commedieu said:
You are so transparent, the faux trolling isn't fooling me
I agree, GT5 is the THE simulation of the century, FM4 can't hold a candle, I hear that NCAP use GT5 as their test model software to determine how cars collide and how safe they are..
amidoinitrite? ami? ami?
Snubbers said:
Desperation.
What are GT5 fans desperate to prove?
-That IBL makes a better lighting model...
-That accurate tracks are good to have
-That turning off all assists is a good thing
-That having the Top Gear track is a good thing...
-That selling more copies of a sim is a good thing
You and I know people just throw out "hahah desperate." in lieu of really having anything significant to say. But please, let me know what it is. This entire thread should be considered "desperate" to you, as its a silly Versus thread, on a gaming website. Yet you choose to participate in the desperation.
Keep exactly what coming? Forza constantly getting gut checked by the reality of GT? I mean don't just go LULZ to my response, I want to know what it is. All that happens in the GT5 thread, is forza getting embarrassed by what Forza Fans/PGR fans bring up. Then when its done, its called desperate.. or "OMG u tht i was serious?!" Its a good place for laughs because its sad that its taking 2 forza games to maybe compete with 1 GT5's.
This thread is for versus and stupid commentary. You didn't notice that since the inception of it..?
Snubbers said:I can smell the desperation in the air..
I said it wasn't a definitive list to argue over, I was trying to show that whatever you argue, resources are spent differently, so expect games to have differing strengths and weaknesses.
But way to miss the point, the fact you absolutely have to try and argue every single point is worse in FM4 is absolutely, balls to the wall, insane..
There is a massive list of differences you can go through, but what would be the point, I could also get desperate and mention Tree Physics as a strength of FM4.. LOL.. I mean a real simulation can't be a simulation unless tress sway realistically..
This thread is awesome, keep it coming, unless you are being serious, in which case, I apologise, if that's your 'opinion' and you feel GT5 is the be all and end all, good on you man, the game is a gem, and I don't want to argue against that..
You are so transparent, the faux trolling isn't fooling me
I agree, GT5 is the THE simulation of the century, FM4 can't hold a candle, I hear that NCAP use GT5 as their test model software to determine how cars collide and how safe they are..
amidoinitrite? ami? ami?
No, GT5 is the best simulation on the console. The facts are the facts here.
1.PGR isn't a simulation.
2.Forza has perm assists on.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Iknos said:
how do you load and cruise around the entire london environment in pgr4?
environment for environment, gt5 would annihilate project gotham handsomely. not fanboy talk, the truth.
commedieu said:
Oh, lord, you are serious aren't you..
I was totally joking around, but I see that you really are in here to make a solid pro-GT5 statement..
Fair play, I will step back, I thought it was all for the lulz.. sorry if anything has offended, my sarcasm detector must be broken..
Kudos for the appearance of faux-trolling, whilst actually trolling though, your skills are pretty good!
eso76
Member
pixelbox said:
One, we can, because it's the only efficient way to do it in realtime.
The only "possible" way, actually.
Two, yes, that PGR, but i was not talking about the rain effects on windshield, rather the way everything reflects on wet roads, anywhere.
Yes, the same PGR that runs at 30 fps, but it could even run in 320x240; that's beyond the point since i'm not directly comparing the games.
Don't assume that every post in this thread is here to claim that this game is better than that game.
I just said that if GT5 'wet' looks better on some tracks compared to others, it's because those stages were specifically built to have some spare gpu to use for reflections. Reflections which, on a mostly flat surface that doesn't 'move', don't need to be dynamic at all.
commedieu said:
Just tell me,
Are you seriously a huge Pro-GT5 guy, or are you just in this for the lulz?
If you are serious, I'll happily back away, I have zero major beef with either game, I'm only here for either some common sense discussion, or flat out lol'ing.. nothing more..
Custom track.Wax Free Vanilla said:
Note that you can have full weather in pgr as well. And unlike GT actual puddles that you can hydroplane on and affect braking and handling.
It's like grand theft auto san andreas vs the getaway on PS2. Getaway looked awesome but it didn't have weather or day/night. Ultimatley gta is more impressive and that us what people are getting at here.
So no talk about sound effects huh guys? Lol.
Official Forza Fanboy vs Gran Turismo Fanboy Comparison ThreadGTP_Daverytimes said:
Love you. Think I'll fire up PGR4 for a bit.G Rom said:I'm speechless at that post. Someone trolling PGR4 hard, WTF ?
I don't care if GT or FM are attacked but you don't touch to the holy PGR4.
FYI, PGR4 came out in 2007 and still shit on any racing game in regard to city environment modeling, texturing and lighting, sound, weather conditions available (dry, rain, snow, fog, icy, etc...). It was indeed 30 fps but with motion blur and locked (only dipped in replays cameras where you'd see all the cars during rain). Oh and the rain on the windshield was dynamic, the cars even had water/snow on them (not dynamic though). Finally, PGR4 brought us the reflection trick that would then be be used in other racers (FM3/4, Dirt 2/3, etc...).
Again, 2007, we just had GT HD/Prologue and FM2 back then...
It makes me sad to think that we'll never see what Bizarre Creations could have accomplished on a PGR5.
Sorry for the derailing, couldn't let this one pass !
You can resume the Vs stuff.
Four-year-old game. Really?Lagspike_exe said:
See You Next Wednesday
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Wax Free Vanilla said:
To be fair, that one section of London looks better than the rest of the track in GT5
PGR had photo-realism ailed down throughout, something no other game has come close.
NullPointer
Member
So very true. It goes away once you learn the tracks, but the visual noise does make it tough at times. Even worse since the AA is reduced when you're on the track with other cars.diamondstar said:
hauton said:
My sensitivity left the building when all I could see was people ridiculing with endless gif's, screenshots and ridiculously skewed points of view..
You could try reading my posts, see how I attempt some common sense comparison stuff, but then it all degrades in seconds when certain over zealous types go all religious fruit bat on my ass..
Any ridiculing I've done was always with smileys and winks, as really, I don't have this almost religious attraction to either game, but I can tell you, my slight preference is with FM, however, no amount of negatives pull me away from also enjoying GT..
It's a forum at the end of the day, no pro-tips apply here..
NullPointer said:
It's exacerbated by the FOV in FM4, whilst I find it adds that sense of mind blowing speed at times, it is as you say, the drop in AA in world tour races combined with this that makes things in cockpit view a little bit edgey.,,.
Oh, and as good as some weather effects where in PGR4, it didn't do it for me, PGR2 was the pinnacle for me.. it was all about the racing for me!
(But that is some commendable attention to detail by Bizarre Creations!)
Metalmurphy
Member
Snubbers said:
You mean kinda like shinns post right now?
You've always been looking one way and one way only ever since you entered this thread.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
shinnn said:I did the Quebec comparison
lost the big version of Tokyo
Having a hard time telling which is the real life shots
Metalmurphy said:
Yes, and I don't hide it... but it's only a slight preference, I don't feel the need to hail FM as the god of everything, I see almost equal strengths and weaknesses, judging by how the games have been received, I'd say I'm pretty close to reality..
When I see people getting silly about FM, of course, if there's something common sense to point out, I'm there.. I do the same for GT occasionally, but it really doesn't need anymore defenders in this thread does it?
As for Shinn's post, I don't see the direct attack on GT5 or anything, however, I do see plenty of instant mis-interpretation of why PGR4 was brought into the discussion, which was reflections on wet roads IIRC.. which is a typical reason this thread is so ridiculous, you can't mention a single game that does 1 commendable feature better then GT5, because some weird religion level defending ensues..
Had he hand picked some comparison photo's that showed PGR4 looked much better then GT5 and did a side by side comparison, then tried arguing that absolutely every single facet of PGR4 was better then GT5 with some really far out reasoning, then I'd label him as a bit deluded too..
Risk Breaker
Member
shinnn said:
Metalmurphy
Member
chubigans said:
Why the edit? It was funny.
malyce said:
True sim heads won't be playing either game, or they wouldn't be true 'sim heads'..
When I want something proper 'sim', I play iRacing or similar.. when I want sim-esque with a fun slant, I pick up GT/FM, more FM at the moment, but still have SPA waiting to be downloaded for GT, so will no doubt get back to it at some point..
Metalmurphy
Member
malyce said:
GP4
LFS
rFactor
GTR
GTR
Colin McRae games
PS2 WRC games
Race 07
Supercar Challenge
Toca
GT2-GT5
C.A.R.S.
Enough to be counted as a "sim head"? Can't be bothered to pay a monthly fee for iRacing, hope that doesn't disqualify me.
Also, didn't list SHIFT for obvious reasons.