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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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drugstore_cowboy
Member
Spa looks nice but I don't understand why there's still tearing and (small) frame rate drops when hot lapping in bumpercam, nothing else on the track, no smoke or dust and still it happens.
Cuban Legend
Member
gaming_noob
Member
PGR4 really nailed the lighting: http://youtu.be/75XlRfRLQCE?t=3m34s
Maastricht
Member
Yeah, when you weren't driving it was ok. Otherwise, PGR3 was better, imho. In this track you don't notice it so much because it's cloudy/rain, but it was dynamic lighting in PGR3 with some great lighting effects, completely gone in PGR4 unless you parked your car and started moving the camera around.
PGR4 still a good looking game, mind you.
phosphor112
Banned
Dirt 2 ? Is this a joke ? Hey guys, Mario Kart Wii has power-ups, it shits on all other racing games !
Seriously, racing genre has a wide range of games but just because two games both have four-wheel vehicles doesn't mean you can compare them directly...
It's as bad as the Xbox days when any racing games coming out was dubbed GT-killer...
BTW, the Blur DF interview had some bits about PGR4. I was stunned to learn that Bizarre barely used the Xbox 360 CPU (although, considering how early in the gen it was released, it shouldn't be that surprising).
IIRC, PGR3 was close to being 60 fps but launch rush prevented that. Bizarre really were wizards.
Seriously, racing genre has a wide range of games but just because two games both have four-wheel vehicles doesn't mean you can compare them directly...
It's as bad as the Xbox days when any racing games coming out was dubbed GT-killer...
BTW, the Blur DF interview had some bits about PGR4. I was stunned to learn that Bizarre barely used the Xbox 360 CPU (although, considering how early in the gen it was released, it shouldn't be that surprising).
IIRC, PGR3 was close to being 60 fps but launch rush prevented that. Bizarre really were wizards.
H_Prestige
Banned
The bigger joke is that even after all those games, Forza can't match GT5's graphics.
Cuban Legend
Member
nextbox port and upscale to 1080p with 4xAA and I'll buy a Nextbox for it if they add multiplayer.
Lion Heart
Banned
That looks just as good as the GIF. I actually prefer afternoon though, SPA is incredible looking.
Give me PGR2's physics and then we'll talk. Throw in some tracks and I'll double the price.
How many years did GT fans have nothing but screenshots of pretty graphics to keep them going whilst Forza fans were actually playing a game.
Not to mention that Forza 4 looks damned good even though it doesn't look as good as GT5.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
0 they were playing GT4 and GT5 Prologue.
SunhiLegend
Member
Haha, exactly. I played GT4 and GT5 prologue almost every week until the release of GT5.
brotkasten
Member
I'm glad this thread is back on track, after the silly Horizon derail.
undu
Member
Can I ask for community-driven content like valve games while we're at it?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Changed my mind about preferring GT's force feedback, don't know if it has been patched or what but there's very little effects coming through. The oscillation appears to have been lessened though.
Did you miss the fact that we were obviously talking about this gen?
Metalmurphy
Member
You said nothing about gens. You said this "How many years did GT fans have nothing but screenshots of pretty graphics to keep them going whilst Forza fans were actually playing a game."
Also, Prologue is from this gen.
i never understood the overwhelming love for PGR4, sure its a great game but PGR2 was better in nearly every way, especially the online community
PjotrStroganov
Member
You are assuming that everybody that has played 4 also has played 2?
well if people love 4 enough for it to be the best racing game ever to them you'd think they'd check the previous games in the series they so passionately love
Theonik
Member
Given PGR2 was a last gen game and the fact people tend to view racing games as iterative games I don't think making that assumption is reasonable especially considering how many more people jumped on the Xbox brand with the 360.
You laugh at this but before the end of the war and shortly after it HD-Media threads would devolve into that. There was one in particular I remember from someone's tag but I can't find it.
i guess, its the same story with forza, the first being the best game which 90% of current forza players have never even played before
Trunchisholm
Member
Preferences, man. I don't think it's fair to say that other people should share your opinion. I have and have played all MSR/PGR titles and even if I enjoyed them all, I prefer PGR 4. Sure, the city selection was really good in PGR 2, but I just prefer 4. There's always the nostalgia factor when it comes to these games. PGR 2 hasn't aged that well, I'm afraid. But hey, that's just my opinion.
And, by the way, loving PGR 4 doesn't mean that you think it's the best or definitive racing game or that you don't enjoy other racing games.
MrCookiepants
Member
I've been playing and enjoying both games immensely over my holidays.
That said, single player in Forza 4 has become such a chore since I passed level 50. Yet GT5's seasonal events are still heaps of fun despite each race being 5-7 laps long compared to 2-3 laps in Forza.
It's weird... I mean, all you get is an assortment of useless horns and racing helmets and a car you probably already have, but at least it's better than a fucking tick on the sea of tiny rectangles that is FM4's event list. They really need to sort out the rewards system in Forza 5.
But GT5 isn't perfect either. The engine sounds are really starting to bother me. The DLC so far has been pathetic and it looks like they aren't planning any more of it.
Think I might go pick up PGR4 while I'm in a racing mood.
That said, single player in Forza 4 has become such a chore since I passed level 50. Yet GT5's seasonal events are still heaps of fun despite each race being 5-7 laps long compared to 2-3 laps in Forza.
It's weird... I mean, all you get is an assortment of useless horns and racing helmets and a car you probably already have, but at least it's better than a fucking tick on the sea of tiny rectangles that is FM4's event list. They really need to sort out the rewards system in Forza 5.
But GT5 isn't perfect either. The engine sounds are really starting to bother me. The DLC so far has been pathetic and it looks like they aren't planning any more of it.
Think I might go pick up PGR4 while I'm in a racing mood.
idk it seems like nearly every week someone will bring up pgr4 on the forza thread and everyone turns into OMFG BEST GAME EVER ITS PGR4 THREAD NOW without anyone even mentioning any of the other games, a sad state of affairs!
its easily my fav thread ever
FlutterPuffs
Member
1,248,714 views. Holy crap.
well deserved
But the framerate...
And GT5 can't match Forza 4's consistency. What's the point?
Trunchisholm
Member
To me, it just seems that people really love BC and that game and that they think it was massively underappreciated, which sales-wise it most definitely was. I can see why people are enthusiastic when talking about the game. PGR 4 is one of the best arcade racing games this generation, but comparing it to GT or Forza, or even PC hardcore sims, is obviously silly.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Yep. It's really shame. Turn10 have about 300+ people work for them (lot of outsources).
Polyphony Digital only have less than 150 people on it. Slow but still fucking wizard!
It will be glorious.
Diablohead
Member
turn10 did rather well with visuals in 4 to the point where I think it's really good, but polyphony(spelling?) are still magical wizards with shaders.
SolidSnakex
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And lighting, which is something that they were even able to nail in the PSone days.
Kenshin001
Member
That is the saddest joke. PD do not allocate the manpower and resources they should on Sony's flagship racing game. The spend all that time and resources on graphics for a limited number of cars above all else. If they had the same sized team as Turn 10 plus outsourcing to create a complete game with a full stock of premium cars, proper crash damage, UI, backgrounds, extra tracks etc., if they actually bothered to hire a community manager to get feedback, it would be the game of the forever instead of the deeply flawed game it's become.
THIS!
It the only real problem with Forza, the cars and environment is just lit in a very strange way.
The models are detailed enough and all that, the whole scene just doesn't look realistic. This really bothers me, because I'm convinced that F4 would be mind blowing if they just nailed the lighting. Polyphony always were experts at this; GT4 looks pretty convincing, even though it of course falls apart upon closer inspection.
I do agree that GT5 looks very uneven, lots of things like rain, shadows and the like just doesn't look as good while you are actually playing as the game.
Atleast not anywhere as good as the gifs and trailers led us to believe. Still the best looking of th bunch.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Well I still think GT5 is matchable to FM4. Shame that you thought otherwise.
Graphics Horse
Member
Monaco has tearing on solo bumper cam runs too.