Red Chocobo
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Have you not raced on GT5 versions of Spa, Nordschleife, or special stage route x? They are stunning. Better than anything I've seen on PCars (Thanks mostly to PD's godly lighting engine)
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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Have you not raced on GT5 versions of Spa, Nordschleife, or special stage route x? They are stunning. Better than anything I've seen on PCars (Thanks mostly to PD's godly lighting engine)
Read my previous post.
I was saying Pcars environments are the only PC sim I've played to finally catch up to Forza/GT. I play sims across all consoles and my PC.
I have.
If you can get me forza 5 or even forza 4 or gt5 on my pc, hell, I'll give you a titan as a gift
I've played all the good racers across 2 decades of consoles and PC's and can confidently say...
Forza 4 & Gran Turismo 5 are both brilliant. GT5 has the nicest feel to the driving and feels the most exhaustive in content but lacks some polish and focus. Forza 4 has wonderful online options and is the most well rounded but lacks detail and feels the most lacking in content.
Both do different things and both can be enjoyed on their own terms. Both win!
And just for fun, here's a few screenshots of GT5 I've taken, lost my Forza 4 ones I'm afraid.
Suzuka Circuit_2 by M Woolgar, on Flickr
London by M Woolgar, on Flickr
Bern - Marktgasse by M Woolgar, on Flickr
Forza 4 & Gran Turismo 5 are both brilliant. GT5 has the nicest feel to the driving and feels the most exhaustive in content but lacks some polish and focus. Forza 4 has wonderful online options and is the most well rounded but lacks detail and feels the most lacking in content.
Both do different things and both can be enjoyed on their own terms. Both win!
And just for fun, here's a few screenshots of GT5 I've taken, lost my Forza 4 ones I'm afraid.
Suzuka Circuit_2 by M Woolgar, on Flickr
London by M Woolgar, on Flickr
Bern - Marktgasse by M Woolgar, on Flickr
Metalmurphy
Member
That TDK/Sanyo billboard is the most realistic looking thing in the entirety of GT5.
I have.
If you can get me forza 5 or even forza 4 or gt5 on my pc, hell, I'll give you a titan as a gift
there are pc sims too you know, they have better physics too!
AstroNut325
Member
Not sure I completely agree. Some of the photo travel shots on the internet... especially the ones from car interior shots... are right up there with the TDK/Sanyo billboard!
Looks amazing.
Metalmurphy
Member
I love this shot from the F4 home-space.
The racers on the upcoming consoles are going to be incredible looking.
Top Gear space imo is the best looking space in F4. Lighting/reflections/etc in there is absolutely spot on.
I love this thread.
Personally, I expect all next gen racers to have night-day transitions in ALL their tracks.
I'm not too tech savvy, but what illumination technique did PD used on their night day tracks? (Global illumination?) I have always wondered why only a few gt5 tracks had night/day.. was it memory limitations? Art limitations? Resources? Time?
Watching the guerilla talk about illumination for shadowfall, it seems creating levels/tracks with changes to illumination will be much easier for next gen consoles. Objects will no longer need to have baked in effects.
Personally, I expect all next gen racers to have night-day transitions in ALL their tracks.
I'm not too tech savvy, but what illumination technique did PD used on their night day tracks? (Global illumination?) I have always wondered why only a few gt5 tracks had night/day.. was it memory limitations? Art limitations? Resources? Time?
Watching the guerilla talk about illumination for shadowfall, it seems creating levels/tracks with changes to illumination will be much easier for next gen consoles. Objects will no longer need to have baked in effects.
eso76
Member
yep, if T10 can approach this kind of IBL ingame, use high lod models for all cars and achieve a decent IQ (Forza Horizon's approach in 1080p would be great, i don't think i need much more) Fm5 will look incredible.
And that's the least we can expect, even with the worst rumored specs, i think.
Metalmurphy
Member
Take a pCars shot here:
Still waiting for a direct feed Forza 4 in-game/no hud shot...
Bullshot Mode (aka downscaled from 2560x1600 everything maxed):
Playable Mode (aka downscaled from 1440x900 mostly maxed, less AA):
Honestly, this track is kinda terrible on pCARS right now.
SolidSnakex
Member
I've never played pCARS, so what are the issues with the Ring? Is it a visual problem or is the track design off?
Metalmurphy
Member
Visual queues are all wrong, track width is wrong in many places, more than once I had to make sure where I actually was cause I'd lost my bearings. More bumpy than it should be (although this migtht be an issue with the actual cars and not the track). Some tree lines actually look worst than the 2D GT5 ones. Missing lots of ground writing.
But again, this is all WIP so saying it's worst than X isn't fair. I remember some dev in the forums recognizing that the widths were wrong for example and they'll likely fix it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
GT5 nurburgring is so fucking goooooooood. It was worth £40 just for that.
Imagine the Nubrugring on the next gen GT game......0_0
Imagine the Nubrugring on the next gen GT game......0_0
Red Chocobo
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I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
Just cements the fact that GT5's lighting engine is superior. Also there seems to be no windshield reflections on the Forza pics. Why?
Depends on lighting position and the track.
Forza 4 lighting is almost there. Both achieve photorealism easily.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Thats one of those location pics. We all know how they swap models for such pics. All of the above pics are on track so its fair.
Betta Lines
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Those photo location shots use an entirely different lighting system. On-track Forza always looks like the comparison shots that Farrow posted.
AstroNut325
Member
GT5 nurburgring is so fucking goooooooood. It was worth £40 just for that.
Imagine the Nubrugring on the next gen GT game......0_0
WTF... NO! Anyone playing GT5 without at least a DFGT is committing a tragedy!
GT5 + Ferrari F10 + The Ring + Wheel = ZEN!
Edit:
DAT LFA GT5 SHOT! WHOA!
Edit 2:
This is still my favorite GT5 Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQO6JHZl-Cs
Can Crusher
Banned
I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
In the first comparison, Forza clearly loses.
The two other comparisons is pretty neck and neck.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Great now you need to get some GT5 pics of the same cars in the same positions for a comparison.
Both games may look bad or good depending on how the photo is taken but during gameplay its clear to me that GT5's lighting engine is superior.
DFGT is great indeed. Love it.
Also that youtube video justifies my conclusion that GT5 has the best lighting engine. Simply amazing.
Betta Lines
Member
With each edit, Reiko digs a deeper hole. None of those shots look right. Each GT5 shot could be mistaken for a photograph at first glance, but only the 458 photo location one from Forza has a similar effect, and even that isn't as good frankly.
Metalmurphy
Member
Forza switches models in photomode even in track.
Which is why this
I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
is even more impressive when GT5 comes on top.
les papillons sexuels
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I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
in the first 2 the forza cars look like plastic toys, in the last one the gt car looks like a toy.
I digged a deeper hole? First we go from Forza 4 doesn't have reflections on the windshields to photorealism.
And speaking of photorealism, I love these shots.
eso76
Member
Bitch please
(Actually, the LFA pic...my God, that's a night and day difference.
The fairlady and the F458 are a lot closer)
But i think Fm4 can produce much better results than those pics suggest
* SAME lighting and model as ingame
(heh, i was playing time attack rivals mode so SAME car model as ingame
)Lion Heart
Banned
Some vintage stuff from the photo thread
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I digged a deeper hole? First we go from Forza 4 doesn't have reflections on the windshields to photorealism.
And speaking of photorealism, I love these shots.
I never said Forza 4 never had windshield reflections I was asking why those specific pics did not have it.
Did not know this:
I think because the reflections in GT5 are more dynamic. Maybe.
Also remember when racing Time Trial there is no switching. You are driving with Photomode cars.
Red Chocobo
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Nah. It would be a 40+GB download.
Metalmurphy
Member
20.
However, considering how stupid things are done you'll probably still require an additional 10GB for updates and install.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
None of those pics look that realistic. Realistic implies I have difficulty telling the difference between it being a game and real life which is clearly not the case. Neither game can produce realistic shots easily.
This is realistic: (even then you can spot the gameyness if you look closely)
Last two are not edited at all which shows not only GT5's good photomode but also the photographers skill.
Not sure about the first.
If people want to tout F4 and GT5 have realistic shots at least make them look realistic.
I look forward to next gen where realism should be much easier to achieve.
This is realistic: (even then you can spot the gameyness if you look closely)
Last two are not edited at all which shows not only GT5's good photomode but also the photographers skill.
Not sure about the first.
If people want to tout F4 and GT5 have realistic shots at least make them look realistic.
I look forward to next gen where realism should be much easier to achieve.
SolidSnakex
Member
The white LFA is like a cheat mode if you're trying to make a realistic looking photomode pic in GT5.
Lion Heart
Banned
These are realistic to me. I'm also avoiding any photo travel stuff, like some peeps.
Metalmurphy
Member
LOL
Metalmurphy
Member
I like this one better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9s_G1ph_vA
It's amazing just how freaking similar the tree lines are.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This is one of the few pics that literally made me question which one was real? What do you guys think which one is real and which one is a game:
