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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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GTP_Daverytimes
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and we have broken the 17000 post mark, keep the fire burning.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
So from around the 17th May we'll be getting the PS3 announcement.
I presume this will mean when Kaz comes on stage at E3, he'll be talking PS4 GT (or at least his future "vision")?
Exiting times.
Kenshin001
Member
Funnily enough I played a bit tonight and this was my experience:
Put disc in, had to wait for updates to download and install.
Thought I might do a run around Nurburgring in Arcade, had to scroll through a long ass list of cars to choose one instead of just picking straight from my Garage.
Spent a few minutes trying to set up the BMG to my playlist off the PS3. Success finally.
Took an Audi R8 on the track, wanted to turn up the brightness but you can't do it from the pause screen. Backed out all the way to GT Home and tried finding it in Options but couldn't. Raced anyway.
Went into A Spec and did the race with German cars. The R8 outclassed everything.
Basically the UI is shit and you have to go through a bunch of screens to do anything. Simple things are a chore. The race set ups are poorly thought out. It's rare that you are racing evenly matched vehicles which is what I think they should be aiming for. The actual driving is great, almost everything else about the game is awful, counter intuitive and frustrating.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Am pretty sure you can.
test_account
XP-39C²
Isnt this possible? Been quite a while since i've played GT5, but i'm pretty sure that favorited cars can be chosen in Arcade at least (maybe not all cars in the garage are favorited though).
yeah you can do it even in-race.
Other than that he is right. UI looks good but it is cumberstone to use and some parts of it are simply god awful slow.
Metalmurphy
Member
Both from Most Wanted and Horizon PR.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yeah I agree with that. The UI looks fine but its too slow. Theres also silly things like only favourite cars appear in arcade races. Why not your entire garage and you cannot do one make races in arcade iirc.
Dan Greenawalt on the Forza side right?
eso76
Member
yeah, even taking pics is a chore.
Too bad because results are incredible, but It's just too frustrating.
Forza does it much better from a UI point of view, although i would have liked more realistic settings for the camera.
just remembered i did see an impressive PCARS gif on neogaf
I got bored and made some new comparisons for us to fight over (Or end the fighting :/)
I've been wondering, what's the deal with the rear view mirrors appearing disconnected from the rest of the cars? Is this going to be "fixed" next-gen?
Kenshin001
Member
My mistake. Saw it after I went back to the game. That's a relief!
You can choose favourited cars, but I guess you'd have to Favourite all of them? I just wanted to see thumbnails of all my cars in a grid, choose one and race.
I don't think the UI looks nice at all. The GT Mode screen looks horrid; a mishmash of random icons, blocks and little 80's lasers shooting around the screen.
Another thing, I want to paint the car. I have to go to a screen with a list of colours, choose from the paint chips I have, then it doesn't show the car in that colour but some little blob on the right. Then I lose the paint item. Who comes up with this shit? It's why I've been banging on to anyone at Sony about getting a community manager at PD. They seem kind of clueless about simple things.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The painting system is annoying in the sense that it takes a long time though I quite like the idea of there being rare paint chips.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Why do people always argue using the camera modes for the games and tiny gifs rather than using actual direct feed shots of what you actually see while actually racing in the game where you spend the majority of your time?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Screenshots are hardly representative of what the game looks like on your tv. Th best option is to watch youtube videos in HD.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
It is literally a single frame of of the 60 that get displayed each second on your TV. How is that not representative?
And youtube with a framerate halved + compression is?
Paladin CL
Member
I like Forza better 
because then there would not really be a "VS" thread.
gt excels in photomode and replay, and so the vs thread is based on that
if you try to compare the fun that it is to pickup a stock gti and customize it to your hearts desire, then there would not really be a vs thread
even in strictly technical details, gt5 still tears the screen from time to time, sound is awful in comparison, menus and navigation the same, online features etc etc the same.
(adds fuel)
Red Chocobo
Banned
For some reason, direct screen grabs make games look worse than they do on my TV :/ (Same for most games)
I think my TV has some built-in AA or something.
SunhiLegend
Member
You need an HD capture card or a modded console to take direct-feed screenshots.
Here's a couple of direct-feed shots by wax free vanilla.
GT doesn't swap models between in-game and replay mode, so I suspect the difference would be even bigger if you compare GT in-game models to Forza's.
Metalmurphy
Member
You're just not 1 feet away from it as you are on a monitor.
You need an HD capture card or a modded console to take direct-feed screenshots.
Here's a couple of direct-feed shots by wax free vanilla.
GT doesn't swap models between in-game and replay mode, so I suspect the difference would be even bigger if you compare GT in-game models to Forza's.
Depends if you're not playing Time Trial on Forza 4 though.
It doesn't switch models for replays either.
SunhiLegend
Member
I know Time Trail doesn't, but I was sure I read somewhere the game swaps models when you're watching a replay compared to when you're racing. I know Forza 3 does for sure.
Metalmurphy
Member
They do.
But they also swap models when there's only one car on the track, aka Time Trial.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The Forza one looks like 90% of online Forza 4 races.
MrCookiepants
Member
PD's modeler's are very talented. The Forza version of the 458 looks so wrong in that comparison.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I cam across this gif and I was surprised Forza swaps the model depending on the number of cars on track.
Iirc GT5 does not do this especially surprising when there are only 12 cars on the track.
Iirc GT5 does not do this especially surprising when there are only 12 cars on the track.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Not only swaps models but uses much better AA in time trial mode.
I noticed it straight away. It's quite a jarring upgrade.
I noticed it straight away. It's quite a jarring upgrade.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Given the choice between that and dropped frames/tearing I think they made the right decision.
Saying that GT can't always maintain a solid 60 even with one car on the track.
Neither Forza 3 nor 4 swaps models in replays.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Last i have seen GT5 has been pretty solid, even with 16 cars on track, still tears a bit.
From what i have seen i think they do.
both games are cutting back on what they **could** do, because of stupid hardware limitations.
you think kaz couldnt have the cars sounding 101% like they do in a real track? or he does not know how to make a game not tear a frame when cornering?
you think t10 couldnt have better car models in track? but they have them everywhere else. or they could not program for 8 more a.i. cars?
or crank up that aa shit, spend another 10% of resources in shading etc etc for both
both t10 and pd had to compromise their work in order to run efficiently in the hardware, giving the best of what they could each.
polyphony had the extra difficulty of cell etc, t10 had the whip of microsoft to churn out games.
so both did excellent, and more companies should try to be like those two. well, except for the time it takes pd to get a game out
you think kaz couldnt have the cars sounding 101% like they do in a real track? or he does not know how to make a game not tear a frame when cornering?
you think t10 couldnt have better car models in track? but they have them everywhere else. or they could not program for 8 more a.i. cars?
or crank up that aa shit, spend another 10% of resources in shading etc etc for both
both t10 and pd had to compromise their work in order to run efficiently in the hardware, giving the best of what they could each.
polyphony had the extra difficulty of cell etc, t10 had the whip of microsoft to churn out games.
so both did excellent, and more companies should try to be like those two. well, except for the time it takes pd to get a game out
They really don't. You have to go to photomode for a model swap. (For normal races)
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
both games are cutting back on what they **could** do, because of stupid hardware limitations.
you think kaz couldnt have the cars sounding 101% like they do in a real track? or he does not know how to make a game not tear a frame when cornering?
you think t10 couldnt have better car models in track? but they have them everywhere else. or they could not program for 8 more a.i. cars?
or crank up that aa shit, spend another 10% of resources in shading etc etc for both
both t10 and pd had to compromise their work in order to run efficiently in the hardware, giving the best of what they could each.
polyphony had the extra difficulty of cell etc, t10 had the whip of microsoft to churn out games.
so both did excellent, and more companies should try to be like those two. well, except for the time it takes pd to get a game out
Them not getting this right has nothing to do with Hardware limitations.
guess my eyes is deceiving me then.
and I know that they dont
Metalmurphy
Member
Sorry I was talking about photo mode.
They do switch them for the pre race intro too.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Wow, that's awesome.
Yes, now that is correct. Time Trial is the most seamless of the modes going from choosing the car to racing. Everything stays the same throughout.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Don't be pissy about it, i know you know.
Red Chocobo
Banned
One thing I think Forza gets right is the way cars roll when they hit the grass sideways at high speed.
I always wished GT5 did it. It adds to the fear of leaving the track.
I always wished GT5 did it. It adds to the fear of leaving the track.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
I have to say that while the competition between Forza and GT healthy, it's really nice to see the progress Turn 10 made. They really pressured Polyphony to deliver a better product. I think we should be happy that these two are around.
Diablohead
Member
One thing I think Forza gets right is the way cars roll when they hit the grass sideways at high speed.
I always wished GT5 did it. It adds to the fear of leaving the track.
full rolling is one of forza's strong points right now, was really nice to see when they added it to forza 3 for the first time.
Going onto grass still feels too smooth though, while that gif looks great you really have to be pelting it otherwise you just slide like you are on glass, grass needs to be a little more 'grippy' when the car is sideways.
Red Chocobo
Banned
That reminds me. I always assumed that Forza 4 didn't have any city tracks for perfomance reasons. Even though they never said it.
Red Blaster
Member
this old thread lulz
well at least ms fully embraced that fact that forza was an arcade racer all along and made forza horizon
well at least ms fully embraced that fact that forza was an arcade racer all along and made forza horizon
Sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you.