Goldrusher
Member
Fixed.
The game does not look that blurry and interlaced.
Here's some good captures:
Replay:
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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The game does not look that blurry and interlaced.
Here's some good captures:
Replay:
1080p mode in GT5 mode is blurrier as it uses QAA and TAA, 720p 4*MSAA provides superior IQ.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56067968&postcount=17638
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56070252&postcount=17651
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As for the Forza pictures both have different environments that cannot be compared, one is full of close objects taking vertical space with high contrast lighting while the other has a muted contrast and there's no big object/building/structure nearby. Also Horizon is blurrier and that is a fact you cannot argue against !
GT5 4xMSAA 720p
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56067968&postcount=17638
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56070252&postcount=17651
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As for the Forza pictures both have different environments that cannot be compared, one is full of close objects taking vertical space with high contrast lighting while the other has a muted contrast and there's no big object/building/structure nearby. Also Horizon is blurrier and that is a fact you cannot argue against !
Ravensmash
Member
I'm really not fussed about the graphics in either - both look good to me in motion and each have their own little advantages.
I'm more interested in hearing about important differences like inaccurate modelling of tracks or cars, handling differences etc.
So with that in mind, anyone care to share a few interesting differences regarding the real world tracks? I'm aware that the 'ring in Forza is not as accurate as GT5 but what about some of the other tracks? Are there any lap comparisons out there which show differences between identical cars?
Edit: And yes, GT5 does have aliasing visible on some tracks/cars - or at least it does when I play it on my TV.
I'm more interested in hearing about important differences like inaccurate modelling of tracks or cars, handling differences etc.
So with that in mind, anyone care to share a few interesting differences regarding the real world tracks? I'm aware that the 'ring in Forza is not as accurate as GT5 but what about some of the other tracks? Are there any lap comparisons out there which show differences between identical cars?
Edit: And yes, GT5 does have aliasing visible on some tracks/cars - or at least it does when I play it on my TV.
that is what GT5 looks like on my screen, see the aliasing metalmurphy?
Clean and pristine?
Simple question, are you just looking at aliasing on the environments and not the cars as well?
Because that was one of the major things I noticed in Forza Horizon compared to GT5 or Forza 4.
Yeah, there is aliasing on the cars. You proved my point.
4XMSAA just isn't enough to cover the jaggies.
I'll take a slightly blurrier image over all those jaggies. Sorry.
SunhiLegend
Member
GT vs Real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QymAV0YGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRR7kAZqreg
GT vs Forza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkjiftFsG6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvClhUtKesg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslCZaCNQ1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQqzFXDyio
Metalmurphy
Member
No?
I see dithering, low res shadows, motion blur, aweful compression (seriously guys, PNG please) I don't really see aliasing.
And I'll say again, TAA isn't captured on screens.
SolidSnakex
Member
Watching these makes me hope that PD figures out a solution for the paddle shift animation.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Ahh, a time trial screenshot. Forza uses better AA when there is only one car on the track.
Will be interesting to see a full grid screenshot.
I specifically used that shot to explain that 4XMSAA isn't the be all solution and that it does not get rid of the car jaggies like Forza Horizon does.
Here is full grid, since you asked.
2XMSAA
Metalmurphy
Member
Would be nice if they gave us the option to choose ala PC.
Hopefully that's something that's introduced to consoles next gen.
Hopefully that's something that's introduced to consoles next gen.
Yep. From looking at the few glimpses of PS4 games, IQ shouldn't be much of a problem.
velociraptor
Junior Member
We've got plenty of direct feed GT5 shots but curious how FM4 stacks up in that regard.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Crazy how much better photomode shots look compared to direct feed. I'd almost consider them a generational leap in visuals.
I'd be thrilled to see that quality but I suspect the biggest hurdle will be that IQ and the complete lack of jaggies.
I'd be thrilled to see that quality but I suspect the biggest hurdle will be that IQ and the complete lack of jaggies.
SolidSnakex
Member
That's one reason why i'd be fine with them making a 1080p version of GT6 for the PS4. It obviously won't be an indication of what PD will be capable of with their first real PS4 GT, but it'd still look fantastic. Like I said before, they've had plans to port their last game from the previous two generations to Sony's new consoles, but both have ended up being cancelled or evolved into something else. Hopefully GT6 will be the first that makes it through.
Maybe because forza fans dont try to fool themselves posting selective images that put people in doubt with what they are seeing in their TV's while playing.
Metalmurphy
Member
They do try to fool others though.
SunhiLegend
Member
GT5 models but with better AA and running at 1080p would look fantastic, the PS4 shouldn't have any trouble running those visuals.
If GT6 isn't a cross-gen title, which I don't think it will be, I hope we at least get a prologue or demo version of a next-gen GT title within the first year of launch.
gutterboy44
Member
The revival of this thread only enforces what Amar said last page, we have to have a separate comparison thread ahead of the next releases. It was a god send for both the GT5 and Forza threads to keep all of this contained here. I enjoy seeing the back and forth comparisons when a thread is set aside just for that. But as soon as this bleeds into the individual threads, it is the worst.
Please don't lump all of the Sim Racer threads together. At the very least we need a thread for, PC Sims, Forza, GT, GT v Forza and them maybe a catchall other console racers thread.
Please don't lump all of the Sim Racer threads together. At the very least we need a thread for, PC Sims, Forza, GT, GT v Forza and them maybe a catchall other console racers thread.
Agreed. Having one mega racing thread would be like having only one thread for all fps games.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Indeed, how do we persuade him not to do it. All the junk should go in here while the OT's for the games remain clean.
You speak truth, lets start a petition.
SunhiLegend
Member
I'm pretty sure each game will still own it's own OT and thread, but instead of a GT vs Forza thread there'll be a general sim racing thread where you can bicker and compare all sim racers against each other, PC and console.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Oh, but then it will become consoles vs PC. It will be funny to see GT and Forza fans unite in the fight against our PC sims overloads.
Goldrusher
Member
Nirolak doesn't get it.
This isn't a news thread or a discussion thread. It's what the title says. Forza vs Gran Turismo. Nothing more.
"Sim Racer Community Thread". LOL. There's no community here. 't Is a battlefield.
This isn't a news thread or a discussion thread. It's what the title says. Forza vs Gran Turismo. Nothing more.
"Sim Racer Community Thread". LOL. There's no community here. 't Is a battlefield.
gaming_noob
Member
GT5 models but with better AA and running at 1080p would look fantastic, the PS4 shouldn't have any trouble running those visuals.
If GT6 isn't a cross-gen title, which I don't think it will be, I hope we at least get a prologue or demo version of a next-gen GT title within the first year of launch.
OMG! GT on PS4 is going to be like real life.
Diablohead
Member
I'm really looking forward to next gen visuals, more so then last gen to this current one. It's more then just "now we can use shaders!" but more "we have refined shaders for several years to be better"
brotkasten
Member
If it happens, then we need to lump the CoD, BF and ARMA threads together as well. It would be pretty much the same.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Sure they don't. I think a better reason is because Forza 4 does not look as good as GT5. This is pretty much accepted by most people.
Also: Make the world feel ALIVE!
I love what Forza Horizon did. But it was in 30fps as a result.
Betta Lines
Member
When it comes to driving games, we really will reach the point of 'diminishing returns' in this coming gen. Character-based games still have a long way to go, but driving games knock on the door of photorealistic on a regular basis.
But there is still room for skill. Project CARS proves that despite all its technology, the team are still struggling to make the materials/surfaces look as natural as GT5.
But there is still room for skill. Project CARS proves that despite all its technology, the team are still struggling to make the materials/surfaces look as natural as GT5.
SolidSnakex
Member
Yeah, i'm leaning more toward it not being cross-gen. But if it is then I expect it to release around the time they start doing a GotY edition with all the DLC. That'll give DriveClub some breathing room and would allow GT6 to drive additional PS3 sales through the holidays. They could include some sort of GT7 demo with that version. It'd probably be something more along the lines of GTHD Concept than Prologue.
Yeah. Like using promotional videos. lol.
Red Chocobo
Banned
New photomode comparisons to keep the thread alive.
A little closer this time. But I still prefer GT5's.
A little closer this time. But I still prefer GT5's.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It truly is amazing such a small team can outdo devs that are often twice or even big as them.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Thought I'd see what photomode pics would look like in a gameplay setting.
gutterboy44
Member
No one really gets heated about PC sim game rivalry or PC sims against console sims. Forza v. GT is a very specific debate and I would hate to see this fun, but admittedly tedious comparison thread get lumped in with anything else because it will dominate that thread.
All PC Sims should be in one community thread and I look forward to the new thread that was talked about being started. However, you put Forza v. GT in any other thread and it is poison.
All PC Sims should be in one community thread and I look forward to the new thread that was talked about being started. However, you put Forza v. GT in any other thread and it is poison.
Betta Lines
Member
Not on GAF, but if you go to the dedicated sim forums it's just as bad as this thread.
gutterboy44
Member
Sorry,I meant here in GAF. The racing sim community is pretty small on the PC side and most people tend to enjoy playing whatever they can. I go from RBR, to rFactor 2 to iRacing without even thinking about it, yet I have very strong opinions about GT games.
You should read the pCars thread in the iRacing forums, ugh. That said, I am loving the fuck out of iRacing since joining. Best online racing I have ever had.. you know outside of our beloved NeoGAF Racing League. heheh.
Well, bushes, trees, grass at the side of the road, better texture work, etc. Obviously Forza does cheat in places, but it is usually where it is less noticeable.
Horizon.
If I remember some tracks have more additional detail. Even if the Ring isn't as accurate as GT5... There is an increased amount of detail on the side of the road.
Also the Ferris Wheel in Suzuka moves on Forza.
Yeah.
