weekend_warrior
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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phosphor112
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GT6 on PS3, Forza 5 on Xbox Next.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Using lap times as a comparison is laughably bad at the best of times but doing it against an edited celeb lap on top gear? LOL! Please do explain how a 1:35 video with an intro can show Cameron Diazs 1:45 or w/e it was lap time? I wish to be entertained.
There's a reason I commented on FoV. It massively alters perception of corner severity and sense of speed. Why do you think track day videos always look a lot slower than they feel in real life?
He isn't even pushing the car close to the limit in real life. Not even remotely close to it...
gutterboy44
Member
Because GAF racing community is really small so when these games are no longer new releases, the only people who would look at these threads tend to care a lot about them so we are drawn back into the age old arguments/discussions very easily.
Also, cars = dicks, dicks demand to be measured.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Just posting some of my pics to keep the spirit alive 
phosphor112
Banned
Those were shifting mistakes made by him. Every other point in the video he shifts within a second from each other.
Laguna Seca is one of the GT tracks that has known flaws, but it's probably the best recreation that isn't iRacing.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
So try again with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIDE58RRzmU
Real video the guy pushed more in the last corners and finished first. Happy? You can turn in different manners but hit the same time in the end.
Hockenheim the same as Nurb.. eh.. you never played FM4.
Really.. you can't distinguish Hockenheim from Road Atlanta? wow.
And in the video both real and game are far away from pushing to its limits, except for the straights.
GT5 is like the only game for which I created a separate PSN profile,it still is damn fun to play.
I never knew you were into racing sims,GT6 not being on PS4 sucks though.
gutterboy44
Member
Ravensmash
Member
What's a good track/car combo to combine my own personal times across the games? Going to try it later.
phosphor112
Banned
Then what's the point of the video? The laughably bad racing lines and suspension work?
That's clearly a FoV issue. :roll
IF you were to skew the right picture to match the FoV, you'd get a track that is significantly wider than the real thing. The scale on their tracks suck.
Also, don't tell me about track days. I've had my fair share of them at IRP (Indianapolis Raceway Park, before they got bought and closed the road course) and Putnam Park.
All I hear from you is excuses.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
The video is displaying track accuracy in a very poor fashion.
The tracks don't seem any wider with a tighter FoV and shocking news, race tracks ARE wide.
They're facts but what ever.
Betta Lines
Member
phosphor112
Banned
My first "sim" was Nascar '93. Gt was my first console racer. I went onto better stuff like GTR and RBR when I was a young teen. rFactor... so on so forth. I want to get iRacing, but it's just out of my budget.
You're reading comprehension is just as good as the excuses you put out.
That picture of Road Atlanta on Forza has the same width of road where he is currently at. If you were to reduce the FoV (to make things look wider), the road would be way out of proportion, more so than it is now.
Wide like Forza's Nurburg I'd guess?
I'd like to see which one you think is better than GT's but worse than iRacing's.
I swear to God, if you say Forza, I'll slap your shit through this monitor. I'm not talking about graphics, at all.
phosphor112
Banned
I clicked on one of Satan's links, didn't bother correcting myself. It's already getting annoying how you guys only want to look at the flaws of one and not the other.
To say this, you must literally have never played Forza 4. Would you like some pictures? Or gameplay footage?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Adjusting the FoV makes things look closer or further away, not how wide they are...
Please, do show me where I've defended the poorly modeled Nordschleife in Forza? I haven't even though it is no where near as wide as some claim.
Implying graphics are even considered in track accuracy.
Dat corkscrew
We have no problem accepting Forzas faults so the conversations about them move on quickly.
phosphor112
Banned
Bonnet reflections on Forza are actually a lot better than the ones in GT5. Not necessarily more accurate, but higher quality, and reflect cars via local real time cube maps.
3rd person reflections seem to be more approximated, but that's understandable as you have a lot more going on, on screen.
Red Chocobo
Banned
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Good lord
GT5 is on the left, not the right mate.
I don't think anyone would get that mixed up.
Ardenyal
Member
The Forza track looks like something that came out of a track generator and barely resembles the real life laguna seca.
Metalmurphy
Member
You know what else doesn't have tire deformation?
rFactor and iRacing. Good luck comparing your physics to that.
Just because the visual factor isn't there doesn't mean it's not in the physics calculations. Ever noticed that tires sometimes go underground in GT5? Ever thought why? What matters really is the chassis position, and that is accurately displayed/calculated.
rFactor and iRacing. Good luck comparing your physics to that.
Just because the visual factor isn't there doesn't mean it's not in the physics calculations. Ever noticed that tires sometimes go underground in GT5? Ever thought why? What matters really is the chassis position, and that is accurately displayed/calculated.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Metalmurphy
Member
Road Atlanta is not wider in Forza. I don't know where you get that. Your picture dont' prove nothing, since its using different FOV's.Then what's the point of the video? The laughably bad racing lines and suspension work?
That's clearly a FoV issue. :roll
IF you were to skew the right picture to match the FoV, you'd get a track that is significantly wider than the real thing. The scale on their tracks suck.
Also, don't tell me about track days. I've had my fair share of them at IRP (Indianapolis Raceway Park, before they got bought and closed the road course) and Putnam Park.
All I hear from you is excuses.
If you want to measure track width using different FOV's you should use a common parameter, like how many cars fits in there. But you'll get "disapointed".. just saying.
Also, nordschleife is only larger in the first Karussel corner, from I remember. The big problem in the Forza inaccuracy is longer straights than real life, not being wider.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I'll need some popcorn when you try to compare GT5 to either one of them.
It happens because the car simply clips through the ground...
Are you seriously trying to claim GT5 models tyre deformation even when there is absolutely no evidence?
phosphor112
Banned
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is Forza.
I suggest you leave this thread now.
Metalmurphy
Member
Physics wise? GT5 comes out below. Hardly popcorn worthy.
"Models"? No. I said the exact oposite.
Why do you think it clips after jumps for example, when it doesn't otherwise? It's either a clipping issue or it isn't.
FOV again. Both iRacing and GT5 are using the camera in the roof. Forza uses the camera in the hood.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is Forza.
I suggest you leave this thread now.
You are really bad about the perception of reality. Holy shit.
gutterboy44
Member
Huh? The Forza version is easily the worst of the lot.
Are we slowly just arriving at the conclusion everyone should come over to iRacing so we can have a neoGAF league there? Yeah, I think this is what everyone should do. You won't regret it.
phosphor112
Banned
The camera is fucking LOWER on Forza yet you're still dropping off the God Damn Grand Canyon, and the last picture the elevation is still fucking CLEARLY incorrect.
Jesus get off the games fucking nuts.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
If a neogaf iRacing league comes out of this thread it all would've been worth it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Fees are keeping me away, otherwise I'd love to.
That's not how FoV works...
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Lower perspective
See above
And GT does? lol...
Where's this kink at the Apex beneath the circle that's in GT5 but neither FM3 or iRacing? (and it's a diffent line completely in Forza 3
Not lining up in GT5
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is Forza.
I suggest you leave this thread now.
And where is this jump in the middle of the corkscrew that's in GT5 in either Forza or iRacing?
Someone doesn't seem to grasp just how big an effect things like FoV or perspectives have.
BloodMoney
Banned
i love the rage in this thread.
for real.
for real.
You wait until gt6 ps3 vs Forza 5 nextbox get's here
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I highly highly HIGHLY doubt GT6 will be on PS3.
phosphor112
Banned
Lmao, you're really full of shit.
Forza Motorsport 4
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
phosphor112
Banned
You blame everything that's been wrong in every example of Forza on fucking angles and FoV. Yeah, get out of here.
Betta Lines
Member
SatansReverence won. Forza lost hard.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Rich coming from someone who doesn't understand how either of them work.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is Forza.
I suggest you leave this thread now.
the forza and real world line up, the gt one doesn't... Look at how the car is intering the corner, the left wheel is already on the apex, yet the GT one has a closer approach and is much further off (there's literally no grade in the gt pic).
Red Chocobo
Banned
Lets face it. This was never GT Vs Forza. It's PS3 Vs 360.
If both were on the same console, there wouldn't even be a debate.
If both were on the same console, there wouldn't even be a debate.