Risk Breaker
Member
That damn GT1 intro still gives me goosebumps 
GT3 intro is so awesome too.
GT3 intro is so awesome too.
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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I laughed when in patch 2.0 they edited intro and put soul on display instead of that romance crap.
Honestly there should be petition to make moon over castle official intro in every region. It is already tradition which Sony Us every-time destroys.
dudebros are skipping intro so it is not like chemical crap gained anything.
Honestly there should be petition to make moon over castle official intro in every region. It is already tradition which Sony Us every-time destroys.
dudebros are skipping intro so it is not like chemical crap gained anything.
brotkasten
Member
Didn't you watch the interview? The MCR guys are totally fans.
It felt like a stupid decision by idiotic producers on Sony USA.
Moon Over the Castle reigns supreme, why they feel the need to replace it with western music is beyond me.
The GT2 intro. The piano intro. The footage. Fucking goosebumps.
That doesn't mean it was't shit. Only good not "moc" one was GT2 with cardigans song. That with perfect video edited intro with fragments from racing history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e701QHyCr0o
Just give us access, or the templates to make our own texture files. That's how it should be done.
500+ templates .. one for each car. Bitmaps instead of vectorial images.
That genius. Turn10 should hire you.
Want only that fedex logo? do another template. Yay.
doesn't feel right in the car? want to move 10cm to left? do another template. Yay.
SunhiLegend
Member
The menu music is great in GT5, I hope they don't change it much for 6, sounds so good.
I actually preferred Soul of Display over a MOTC intro, apart from GT2 (non-remixed version), spec 2.0 has got to be my favorite intro.
I actually preferred Soul of Display over a MOTC intro, apart from GT2 (non-remixed version), spec 2.0 has got to be my favorite intro.
Prologue gt5 had better track selection imo.
And this is why i activated all of them in playlist (they are off by default)
SolidSnakex
Member
Well, you aren't racing at those points. You're clicking through menus and looking through dealerships. So it seems fitting that the music for the menus would sound completely different compared to the music you hear during a race. Menus are laid back compared to racing, so I think jazz and lounge fit well. Plus it's just the series image. We're talking about a series in which the creator presents and award at the Concours d'Elegance. And the car that wins that award ends up in the game.
Risk Breaker
Member
Okay, time for some more pictures.
Completely unedited from photomode, and with some shitty imgur compression on top!
Completely unedited from photomode, and with some shitty imgur compression on top!
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Absolutely: http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/gran-turismo-5-prologue_thin-lizzy
GT6 needs more Lizzy.
Forza 2 'custmoization' trailers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZSLY8Xjyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3U5JUT51fA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waxP7gysQ_U
and Forza 1 too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQPY0aN8-Q
I absolutely loved the Forza 2 'customization' trailer.
When i saw the tuning and dyno stuff, I was fucking excited let me tell you. Then I took an arrow to the knee and it wasn't to be seen in a Forza game since..(gameplay or trailer)....Turn 10 for fuck's sake give me a dyno!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZSLY8Xjyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3U5JUT51fA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waxP7gysQ_U
and Forza 1 too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQPY0aN8-Q
I absolutely loved the Forza 2 'customization' trailer.
When i saw the tuning and dyno stuff, I was fucking excited let me tell you. Then I took an arrow to the knee and it wasn't to be seen in a Forza game since..(gameplay or trailer)....Turn 10 for fuck's sake give me a dyno!
Nnnnnnope.
If you want 90's electronic music in raceing game menus then hire the old NFS guys.
NFS 2 menu (Unknown, think it's just called "Main Menu")
NFS 2/3 menu (Romulus)
NFS 4 showcase (Callista)
NFS 5 menu (Dr Know)
Includes 1999 music that was reused in a 2010 game for an alien club
cutmeamango
Banned
I like the low tempo jazz, but of course, I'm classy and refined.
BruiserBear
Banned
That last shot is pretty fucking impressive for PS3 hardware. I can't wait to see what they can do on the PS4.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
If only the replay cameras were as dramatic as the B-roll footage.
Agreed, GT is classy. Keep dubstep out of it. If you dont like it theres always custom playlists.
Risk Breaker
Member
Red Chocobo
Banned
Whare are the dents supposed to be? I can't see any.
SunhiLegend
Member
While I do like some of the dramatic replay angles you get with GT5, I prefer them how they are, a lot more on the realistic side. Would love to have an option for synchronised replays back though.
Risk Breaker
Member
That's to be expected for an ingame PS3 model.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Maybe an option to toggle motion effects would work, I haven't got a problem with GT's replays though. Forza has some that are locked to the car I don't like it at all, they look goofy.
low poly count
Shame you cant get too much close. The dents (dont know if it the correct term) start to showing
Yap. I am not sure 100% but if you would take that car to PhotoMode (not Race Photo) the LODX would be used (in Race Photo LODA models are used IIRC). I don't know what are exact switches in details regarding LODX>LODA>LODB>LODC but I presume those "dents" are part of LOD-library that game is using in particular mode.
And of course, some Premiums are modelled better then others.
I agree 100% with Moon Over the Castle being the only true GT musical theme and all intro-replays for all GT games are made to be sync with particular version of MOTC. However, IIRC, Kazunori said in one of his "Spec 2.0" interviews how Soul on Display is the new "Hymn" of GT series from that moment onward. Maybe Solid can find it somewhere?
Also, the soundtracks for every GT game on PAL/NTSC(US) territories have been complied by GT producers of SCEE/SCEA and their local SonyBMG representatives.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Ahh, I see. I was looking for damage dents lol.
Polygons. Everything more advanced than the PS1 hides them with smooth shading. It was also the first graphical effect I learned about so it's what sticks out the most. Way too common in PC games for some reason.
Top GT5/FM4 polycounts for cars is several hundred thousands.
Risk Breaker
Member
A good part of GT5's polygon budget in premium cars is used in the interiors anyway.
I was talking about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-wGw3sZO0U&list=PLB5F25BEBD0C31344
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEderCyyVqE&list=PLB5F25BEBD0C31344&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNu_zdbbdPI&list=PLB5F25BEBD0C31344
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhTQIqK4i0&list=PLB5F25BEBD0C31344
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Still beats wasting hrs to create something decent with those shitty in game livery creators.
Templates or PNG import is the way to go. I'll edge my bets to the import option as other Japanese devs on PS3 have gone this way.
And that's a good thing IMO. Polygon edges in interiors... UGH :/
The worst part of the PGR 3 intro.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
GT5 interiors are full of polygon edges.
GT5 can still be incredibly fun, in the moment, in a race, and it's value really is for those exact moments. My issue is (and why I completely agree with you) that these moments are in spite of a lot of shortcomings. Some peripheral things about the game were simply made poorly. There are many lost opportunities. Worst of all there's things about it which just come off as stagnation or a lack of focus from the creators.
But it's still a game that can put a cold sweat on the back of your neck when you feel yourself losing grip on the last corner of a long race.
As I have been saying all along - all models genuinely produced for FM4 - and especially DLC models - are simply stunning. FM3 models not so much, but the meshes are crazy as well as details.
That is the only reason I can not wait to see FM5 and I hope how "IBL" lighting is gone and how T10 will finally begin to understand the Kelvins and luminosity issues (as seen in Kojima Productions GDC keynote for example).
But quality of models will be staggering, no doubt.
Damn. Why weren't the next gen consoles just made with some ray tracing HW
Yeah, neither are perfect. Would love to see the next gen ones with tesselation used to actually remove polygon edges instead of making very smooth concrete blocks.
Risk Breaker
Member
That's the magic of high quality, physically based, offline rendering. At a certain distance/angles you don't need that many polygons either.
But yeah, tesselation should come in handy for the more rounded parts like wheel archs, wheels, tyres, etc.
SolidSnakex
Member
The interior for the NSX looks really top notch
That seems to bea teaser for the GT6 model quality.
That seems to bea teaser for the GT6 model quality.
eso76
Member
it's not ibl's itself fault, though.
It's the accuracy of their ibl system, HDR IBL depth and so on.
In fact ibl works rather well in home space locations, but is nowhere as good ingame.
And shaders. OR lack of shaders; FM4 models have a lot of surface types they 'forgot' to assign shaders to. Still, lighting comes first. Lighting is everything.
GT5, Fox Engine (and GTAV looks close) show you can get away with low poly or even very low poly models; if the lighting is right your brain will be tricked into thinking it's real.
Besides, car commercials' CGI generally use much lower poly models than both Forza and GT5.
let's say i'll be satisfied if FM5 ingame lighting matches FM4 home space lighting.
A few tweaks to those shaders and it could look glorious.
But knowing PD, GT Ps4 will probably blow us away and exceed our expectations.
I've been reading old "what do you think the next GT will look like" threads for GT3 and 5 and in both cases PD went far beyond neogaf's wildest dreams.
AstroNut325
Member
I'm going to have to go against the fans of GT5 on the topic of intro music. I think 5oul on Display is much much better than Moon Over Castle. Especially the Spec 2.0 version!
http://youtu.be/U6VOHhIwtBo?t=1m50s
Still sends shivers down my spine!
http://youtu.be/U6VOHhIwtBo?t=1m50s
Still sends shivers down my spine!
velociraptor
Junior Member
Metalmurphy
Member
What the fuck are you even talking about? Have you ever used any image editing software, ever?
Want only that fedex layer? Right click, copy layer.
Want to move it 10cm to the left? Choose layer, move it.
How do you think Turn10 actual models their cars? With their livery editor? lol...
velociraptor
Junior Member
The interior for the NSX looks really top notch
That seems to bea teaser for the GT6 model quality.
The Corvette interior also looks fantastic. Looks a step above GT5's interiors.
Risk Breaker
Member
Metalmurphy
Member
PD better watch out.
These all from the 1M poly models right?
I think it's much better than the abortion that came with the original release, but Moon Over Castle still has it beat.
Well... Ferrari did use Prologue models for such lol
Metalmurphy
Member
*edit* oops
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You can't beat PD when it comes to trailers and intros. My favourite songs in GT5 and GT series are the ones done by Daiki Kashi.
Thats still GT5 quality:
The interior for the NSX looks really top notch
That seems to bea teaser for the GT6 model quality.
Thats still GT5 quality:
Broman1978
Junior Member
Some of the liveries these guys come up with is just amazing!
I don't know how they have the patience to do this. Me, I'm happy to slap on a manufacturer decal and call it a day.
I STILL cannot believe HOW people can achieve this kind of livery!!!
Just jawdropping!