Big Takeover
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I can't for the life of me figure out why they auto-upgrade your prize cars. Can anyone see the logic in this? Is it because not all the choices are race winning cars? The whole difficulty situation is such a tangled web.
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Shortt Sirket
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Big Takeover said:
I had posted earlier why I thought, but I will do it again. I think one of the reasons is to make the cars "equal" in they eyes of the players. The natural choice for non-hardcore players would be to always pick the fastest or best one. The other reason is probably to help the majority of players. The ones who don't really understand the tuning/upgrading, the ones who use the Auto Upgrade option all the time. To them, they instantly win a car that is at the top of its class and they can immediately go out and race with it and win. It is annoying for those of us who want to either run it stock, or with our upgrades, but I can definitely see the logic in it for the larger population.
I still don't like it mind you, I can just see what they were thinking.
Big Takeover
Member
To the progressive thinking, tree-hugging hippy at T10 who decided it was better to let everyone win with cheater cars rather than put an AI difficulty slider in - you blew it. Go back to baking cookies or whatever. 
retroBrand
Member
The auto upgrades don't even make sense; they gave my McLaren F1 power upgrades. What's the point of that? Why does Turn 10 insist on so much hand holding? Just let me play and figure it out. At some point you have to let the players play the game. Novice users will figure out how to upgrade a car after they lose a race. It's inevitable.
Which makes the AI in the world tour even more ridiculous, because the game auto upgrades your car, but you're still going to be smoked down the straights in the A and S class races. The world tour AI has the two fast guys up front, and nine slow drivers just trying to hold you up/ kill you.
If I want to be annoyed or frustrated, I'll go into the world tour. When I want to enjoy a great game, I use the event list. And the world tour is really good, but the AI is really holding it back.
Which makes the AI in the world tour even more ridiculous, because the game auto upgrades your car, but you're still going to be smoked down the straights in the A and S class races. The world tour AI has the two fast guys up front, and nine slow drivers just trying to hold you up/ kill you.
If I want to be annoyed or frustrated, I'll go into the world tour. When I want to enjoy a great game, I use the event list. And the world tour is really good, but the AI is really holding it back.
Shortt Sirket
Member
G Rom said:
Oh yeah, if they want to be boring, they totally could. But that still wouldn't guarantee they would get it. It is hard to get it that close without going over. Okay, so not ALL of these ideas were good! What do you WANT FROM ME??
Minor gripe? World Tour is THE jewel in the single-player crown, and is the major offline mode. Pre-launch a big fuss was made by Turn 10 about how adaptive AI would always ensure that you had competitive races in the World Tour, yet this is an absolute pure nonsense for seemingly the vast majority of players. Adaptive AI was claimed to offer a major improvement in how the game plays, yet it was obviously broken before the game was even released and cannot even be overridden, rendering a large part of the single-player experience as a challenge-free cakewalk.hgplayer1 said:
But don't worry, brush it all under the carpet because other parts of the game are good.
Minor gripe?
Really..?
Shortt Sirket
Member
enzo_gt said:
Then shut yer complainin' hole!
PS: Nobody ever did guess my last car correctly.
Shortt Sirket
Member
nagge said:Plus you could just do a roll across the finish line and if you're ahead of the ghost just rewind and try again a little slower until perfect
GODDAMIT!
I totally didn't think of that...
....shit.
Shortt Sirket
Member
Nope! A couple of people were super close, but weren't specific enough.
Shortt Sirket
Member
enzo_gt said:
I know that was way to easy, but I just wanted someone to get it. You want a $500k car or I think I might have an extra code sitting around.
Shortt Sirket
Member
enzo_gt said:Already have the pack.
An F40 would be nice
I will send it when I get home around 6pm EST.
Shortt Sirket
Member
I just want my Unicorns! Still haven't got the other PreOrder cars and I still haven't got mine from the Game with the Devs.
Xanadu said:
Do you really wonder why some of us cant take you seriously?Xanadu said:
Anyways, the AI is definitely atrocious. Not difficult to beat, but difficult to be around. It can be good at times, but it seems the majority of the time, its just plain dangerous to be near an AI car. Proper clean driving simply doesn't work with them. I just make sure I take advantage of their letting off or braking where they dont need to and pass there. I suppose thats not much different from Forza 3, but I at least felt safer.
As for the upgrading reward cars, it makes sense to me. It allows players to have a competitive car right off the bat without having to spend any money. Its definitely catering to the casual crowd who dont want to work to make money and upgrade their cars themselves, but I'm sure its a big help. And I've gotta admit, it probably saved me a fair bit of money in the beginning, too, as I could use that car for a few races, get my affinity with the manufacturer to Level 4, get rid of the upgrades and do it myself for free.
And I love how easy it is to make money in Rivals. I made over 700,000 credits within a half hour. Beat rival for 25,000 credits in one lap. Beat rival for 50,000 credits in one lap. And when I say one lap, I mean ONE lap, from a standing start. Next beat two 100,000 credit rivals within two laps each. Then took me 3 laps to beat a 150,000 credit rival. And between bonuses and leveling up, I made a full 700,000 credits. So awesome. I like not needing to feel so stingy with my money. I can indulge in ways I never could in past games. 900,000 Z4 race car? Why the hell not?
evil_as_skeletor
Member
Dammit, I said Veyron a few pages back, just not the SS bit! D'oh!Shortt Sirket said:
Shortt Sirket
Member
Are there no Drag Races in either World Tour or the Event List?
Shortt Sirket
Member
enzo_gt said:Thanks for the car Shortt Sirket!
No prob man!
Now you guys need to start talking about what kind of Event you want to do. I want to start it tomorrow, so we need to figure out what people are up for. You can use my ideas, or come up with one all on your own. I just want to do something that will be interesting and enjoyable for everyone, not just the best racers.
VindictiveGnome
Member
I feel like when an auction says "Less than a minute" it really means 5 minutes remaining. There's no way it is one minute.
Shortt Sirket
Member
I am actually getting a little annoyed at Turn10 recently. The Unicorns aren't working for a lot of people, there has been no talk about the 900 degree fix, their Photo Competitions are behind, the Daily Credits for visiting the storefront aren't working, etc. It just feels like they have fallen off the face of the earth recently. I know they just released the game and are probably getting some much needed RR, I am just surprised they have been so quiet recently.
Eh, maybe I am just in a foul mood tonight or something.
Eh, maybe I am just in a foul mood tonight or something.
No worries Mr Green you just posted what we all were thinking.
Stig if you are finding AI cars too fast it could be your car. If you want easy races choose the fastest car at the expense of handling and braking. And acceleration. Gear for good speeds on straights. Keep crappy stock tires on.
The AI is slow through corners anyways so even if you baby the car at every corner you will win.
There's a few issues with T10s post launch support but I can forgive them to a certain extent. Also I've seen this with some of my other favorite racers released in the last year.
What I do not forgive or understand was the whole "selling the game" part.
I'm talking about the "here take my money and let me play the game" part.
- at launch you had different pre order bonuses for every store under the sun. I just want the game and all the cars. I want cars from every bonus and it's impossible to get. Maybe I'm wrong it just seems that way. Who was the dumbass who thought of that.
- the season pass reduces the price of the car packs to what they were in fm3. Yay? So I don't exactly save money do I? Spend whatever on the pass and the DLC and I already have the DLC from the LE. To make up for this I get in game credits and not tokens. 10 tokens would have meant real world money. Would have meant LEers with season passes having a very nice garage on day one.
There's a lot to live about this game but there's a lot that wasn't thought through.
The people in charge of physics are awesome while thepeople in charge of controls are fools. Whoever came up with the plan for around 10 DLC cars a month is awesome but the guy who thought of this whole season pass thing was a fool. Just like last year when some goof thought that hoppers were the be all and end all of online racing.
Anyways rant off time to go home and see if I can play some tonight.
Stig if you are finding AI cars too fast it could be your car. If you want easy races choose the fastest car at the expense of handling and braking. And acceleration. Gear for good speeds on straights. Keep crappy stock tires on.
The AI is slow through corners anyways so even if you baby the car at every corner you will win.
There's a few issues with T10s post launch support but I can forgive them to a certain extent. Also I've seen this with some of my other favorite racers released in the last year.
What I do not forgive or understand was the whole "selling the game" part.
I'm talking about the "here take my money and let me play the game" part.
- at launch you had different pre order bonuses for every store under the sun. I just want the game and all the cars. I want cars from every bonus and it's impossible to get. Maybe I'm wrong it just seems that way. Who was the dumbass who thought of that.
- the season pass reduces the price of the car packs to what they were in fm3. Yay? So I don't exactly save money do I? Spend whatever on the pass and the DLC and I already have the DLC from the LE. To make up for this I get in game credits and not tokens. 10 tokens would have meant real world money. Would have meant LEers with season passes having a very nice garage on day one.
There's a lot to live about this game but there's a lot that wasn't thought through.
The people in charge of physics are awesome while thepeople in charge of controls are fools. Whoever came up with the plan for around 10 DLC cars a month is awesome but the guy who thought of this whole season pass thing was a fool. Just like last year when some goof thought that hoppers were the be all and end all of online racing.
Anyways rant off time to go home and see if I can play some tonight.
Fox Mulder
Member
It does that because people keep bidding.VindictiveGnome said:
Iknos said:
That's irrelevant to Fm4 the price went up, you have the option to buy a season pass to get a discount.
I agree that Turn10 in my eyes botched the whole release and support the first month, they don't seem to want to communicate with the community all that much and keep people with whats going on, that's their prerogative of course, but there are a few bugs and there don't seem to be answers for them or even an eta for an expected patch.
I still love the game, but I am a bit disapointed with the way Turn 10 has handled it.
VindictiveGnome
Member
It needs to be exactly one minute and not be based on the number of bids. Anyway, I bought most of the cheaper Ferraris and I'm thinking about buying some car tokens for the ridiculously expensive cars.bkfount said:
Shortt Sirket
Member
I WAS going to use one of the new Rivals Challenges as our event, but SOME people just can't keep their pants on.
I will figure out the track/class combo tomorrow.
I will figure out the track/class combo tomorrow.
retroBrand
Member
Whoops.Shortt Sirket said:
Big Takeover
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Conquering The Bull Battle your rival at the limits of speed in the brand new 2012 Lamborghini Aventador. Each week 100 randomly chosen players from this leaderboard will receive a 2002 BMW M3-GTR, a unicorn car only available from Turn 10. The November Speed Pack is required to participate in this event.
Motegi Track Day The two-fold challenge of Track Day events is to defeat your rival while weaving your way through heavy traffic. Master the traffic on Twin Ring Motegi while trying to take down your rivals time in A-Class Japanese cars. Upgrades and tuning are allowed.
European Sedan Quarter Mile Step up to the line on Hockenheim Rings quarter-mile drag strip in your best European sedan to take down your rival. This event is open to any European sedans under 500 HP. Upgrades and tuning are allowed.
The Sliding Pony Drift past your rivals score in your favorite Ford Mustang at the Benchmark Test Track. Tuning setups are allowed within restrictions. Installation of the Launch Track Pack is required to participate in this event.
Barcelona Battle Since 1991, Circuit de Catalunya has produced many memorable moments in motorsports. Heres your chance to create one more in the R3 race car of your choice as you try to take down your rivals lap time.
Motegi Track Day The two-fold challenge of Track Day events is to defeat your rival while weaving your way through heavy traffic. Master the traffic on Twin Ring Motegi while trying to take down your rivals time in A-Class Japanese cars. Upgrades and tuning are allowed.
European Sedan Quarter Mile Step up to the line on Hockenheim Rings quarter-mile drag strip in your best European sedan to take down your rival. This event is open to any European sedans under 500 HP. Upgrades and tuning are allowed.
The Sliding Pony Drift past your rivals score in your favorite Ford Mustang at the Benchmark Test Track. Tuning setups are allowed within restrictions. Installation of the Launch Track Pack is required to participate in this event.
Barcelona Battle Since 1991, Circuit de Catalunya has produced many memorable moments in motorsports. Heres your chance to create one more in the R3 race car of your choice as you try to take down your rivals lap time.
U n i o n 0015
Member
Big Takeover said:
This is pretty cool. I'd think you'd have a good chance at getting the unicorn if they're giving out 100 weekly.
Spaceman Spiff
Member
Hmm, you'd think the LP640 would be the unicorn they'd reward you with, but whatevs.
I'm so jumping into this tomorrow.
I'm so jumping into this tomorrow.