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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...

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fabricated backlash

Member
Mascot said:
The more I think about this, the more the stench of horse shit fugs my nostrils. If the fear of "stealing of other people's IP" is really the reason why there isn't a track editor in FM4, then how does Dan condone the multitude incidences of copyright infringement and IP theft on unauthorised replica logos and liveries? These have permeated the auction house and storefront for years. Theft is theft, right? If this is really what keeps Dan awake at night then it would have been stamped out on day one, been made a bannable offence.

Why not tell us what we already know, Dan: the resources for creating a track editor were diverted onto car soccer and autovista instead, and a powerful track editor in the hands of the Forza community would instantly render any cash-generating DLC track plans obsolete.
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Well obviously. A good track editor would give the community too big of a role. No matter how much Turn 10 wants to gush about how they incorporate the community and give them features, they still want to remain the sole originator of content that is of any significance. Livery editors are a non threat, because it's basically nothing more than a drawing tool, but by allowing the community to create their own tracks, that would make their post launch business model completely obsolete.
 
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nagge

Member
saladine1 said:
Off topic but just seen this in the F1 2011 thread:

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Holy.Fucking.Shit!!
The flexing, the suspension travel, the physics,the weather....
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Ok, that did it, I'm getting F1 2011 as well.
 
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Mascot

Member
boris feinbrand said:
Well obviously. A good track editor would give the community too big of a role. No matter how much Turn 10 wants to gush about how they incorporate the community and give them features, they still want to remain the sole originator of content that is of any significance. Livery editors are a non threat, because it's basically nothing more than a drawing tool, but by allowing the community to create their own tracks, that would make their post launch business model completely obsolete.
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Well, it would affect their post-launch TRACK dlc strategy, but not the monthly car packs. FM3 track dlc was just the Nurb F1, wasn't it? Wonder how much revenue that generated?

Maybe Turn 10 fear that a powerful track creator would actually affect the sales of FM5. Why buy a new game when the perfectly serviceable one you already own has all the cars you'll ever need AND hundreds, maybe thousands of free user-generated tracks to choose from, with new ones arriving all the time?

Anyway, my original point was: why bother pretending it's all about IP theft?
 
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Angst

Member
boris feinbrand said:
Well obviously. A good track editor would give the community too big of a role. No matter how much Turn 10 wants to gush about how they incorporate the community and give them features, they still want to remain the sole originator of content that is of any significance. Livery editors are a non threat, because it's basically nothing more than a drawing tool, but by allowing the community to create their own tracks, that would make their post launch business model completely obsolete.
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But wouldn't T10 created tracks always be of a higher quality than the community created tracks? I've played lots of community created tracks and none of them can reach the quality of for T10 or PD. They usually get the track layout right, but due to obvious reasons they don't have the resources to do textures etc as good.
 
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FunnyBunny

Member
I'm growing more frustrated with this marketing strategy. Too few screens, too little direct-feed trailers or gameplay and constant teases about what is (or isn't) in the game.

To offer a friend something and pull it back once is funny. Twice is a tease. Third time? They give up and walk away.

Turn 10 needs to open the flood gates and let it flow.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
FunnyBunny said:
I'm growing more frustrated with this marketing strategy. Too few screens, too little direct-feed trailers or gameplay and constant teases about what is (or isn't) in the game.

To offer a friend something and pull it back once is funny. Twice is a tease. Third time? They give up and walk away.

Turn 10 needs to open the flood gates and let it flow.
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Marketing?

Probably largely set/controlled by Microsoft.
 
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nagge

Member
Posted on FC: http://translate.google.com/transla...ls-Download-fuer-Xbox-360-erhaeltlich-844629/

To mark the start this week's Tokyo Game Show, Microsoft has announced that the popular Tsukuba Circuit is also included in Forza 4th It is also speculated that tomorrow, Thursday the 15th September, a demo of Forza 4 for Xbox 360 will appear as a download. The basic assumption: The TGS 2009, Microsoft released a demo for Forza 3
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So many rumours, I don't believe it until I see it.
 
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JaggedSac

Member
Just jumped on the preorder deal on NewEgg. Do I just take a screenshot of my NewEgg receipt and send it to the Turn10 email in order to get the gifts?
 
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amar212

Member
Diablohead said:
fuck that shit, boring corners and too many straights make it a snooze fest.
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Alps *problem* is not the actual configuration but WIDTH.

That damn track is too wide in every of it's part. I said it before and will repeat it again. TOO WIDE. It gives the impression like it is some track from Need For Speed series.

Besides, even if it was *built on purpose for high-altitude racing by Swiss (Arab?) millionaires* there is no way anybody would build 4-lane wide track on top of the Alps. It design does not even share the premise of the actual "imaginationland" story behind the track.
 
eso76

eso76

Member
amar212 said:
Alps *problem* is not the actual configuration but WIDTH.

That damn track is too wide in every of it's part. I said it before and will repeat it again. TOO WIDE. It gives the impression like it is some track from Need For Speed series.

Besides, even if it was *built on purpose for high-altitude racing by Swiss (Arab?) millionaires* there is no way anybody would build 4-lane wide track on top of the Alps. It design does not even share the premise of the actual "imaginationland" story behind the track.
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T10 probably didn't want to include stuff only suitable for slow cars like Positano which walls we had so much fun painting with R1 cars.
 
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Mascot

Member
Translation of the Spanish article:

Please if you will for the drive car 4 of Forza car, will be Catalunya Circuit Spain for drive. Happy man of game Dan Greenawalt tell people for the lover for car game lover will be fan of car, and to be vice versa. Normal wheel rubber information maker Pirelli feature is game in, and out window throw early before numbers and begin at start of time. But of game question big of dark days no light, and snow for example? “Question query of today not speak” talk Mr Greenawalt as smile and kiss wink went forward from face. Of cars he talk much standing, with arms wave of energy for the subject of importance. “Much over 500 autos and 5 new cities to drive over, including Upper Shifter car show people of, tennis games, bowl, football game and swimming game and clark son”.

For what to picture the cars on paint draw etc? “If, is, to be like we did past but more to allow” Mr Dan did talk. One for forward operate is new invisible steer hoop, to be ghost of real. Arms and feet saw by Kinect and drive to road up, perhaps. Try we to point auto for and side over fail, but fun. Of people to walk car and in around “autovista” be mode new of view: in, out, poke, move, look. Be look happy see for real life, also. No Porsche. Of fan talk internet of spa bath thirst did appear? Mr Dan ovulates over Germany Hockenheim with hill and valley not for safe drive, quickly and turn. “To be do track clay 6 month per man, too much over!” talk greenawalt but data from line of phone in forward time wink awhile. We talk request online job, for here Mr Dan say good, over challenge long for nine years finish mortal man. We appeal for central October for ejaculate game.
 
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brotkasten

Member
amar212 said:
Alps *problem* is not the actual configuration but WIDTH.

That damn track is too wide in every of it's part. I said it before and will repeat it again. TOO WIDE. It gives the impression like it is some track from Need For Speed series.

Besides, even if it was *built on purpose for high-altitude racing by Swiss (Arab?) millionaires* there is no way anybody would build 4-lane wide track on top of the Alps. It design does not even share the premise of the actual "imaginationland" story behind the track.
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Maybe it's a rejected Tilke track. :lol
 
C

CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
Mascot said:
Translation of the Spanish article:

Please if you will for the drive car 4 of Forza car, will be Catalunya Circuit Spain for drive. Happy man of game Dan Greenawalt tell people for the lover for car game lover will be fan of car, and to be vice versa. Normal wheel rubber information maker Pirelli feature is game in, and out window throw early before numbers and begin at start of time. But of game question big of dark days no light, and snow for example? “Question query of today not speak” talk Mr Greenawalt as smile and kiss wink went forward from face. Of cars he talk much standing, with arms wave of energy for the subject of importance. “Much over 500 autos and 5 new cities to drive over, including Upper Shifter car show people of, tennis games, bowl, football game and swimming game and clark son”.

For what to picture the cars on paint draw etc? “If, is, to be like we did past but more to allow” Mr Dan did talk. One for forward operate is new invisible steer hoop, to be ghost of real. Arms and feet saw by Kinect and drive to road up, perhaps. Try we to point auto for and side over fail, but fun. Of people to walk car and in around “autovista” be mode new of view: in, out, poke, move, look. Be look happy see for real life, also. No Porsche. Of fan talk internet of spa bath thirst did appear? Mr Dan ovulates over Germany Hockenheim with hill and valley not for safe drive, quickly and turn. “To be do track clay 6 month per man, too much over!” talk greenawalt but data from line of phone in forward time wink awhile. We talk request online job, for here Mr Dan say good, over challenge long for nine years finish mortal man. We appeal for central October for ejaculate game.
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Dude, please don't post auto-translates. They make zero sense and often cause misinformation. I'm sure there's a Spaniard on GAF who will summarise.
 
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nagge

Member
cjelly said:
Dude, please don't post auto-translates. They make zero sense and often cause misinformation. I'm sure there's a Spaniard on GAF who will summarise.
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What do you mean?

Mascot said:
We appeal for central October for ejaculate game.
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Isn't that what we are all waiting for?
 
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Angst

Member
gibberish said:
For what to picture the cars on paint draw etc? “If, is, to be like we did past but more to allow” Mr Dan did talk. One for forward operate is new invisible steer hoop, to be ghost of real. Arms and feet saw by Kinect and drive to road up, perhaps.
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What could this rubbish mean? All aboard the hype-train again!
nagge said:
We appeal for central October for ejaculate game.
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That one is golden and I need it as my tag.
 
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-MikePriester-

Member
cjelly said:
Dude, please don't post auto-translates. They make zero sense and often cause misinformation. I'm sure there's a Spaniard on GAF who will summarise.
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I quite liked reading through it, made no sense at all though. ha

"Happy man of game Dan Greenawalt"
 
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Mascot

Member
cjelly said:
Dude, please don't post auto-translates. They make zero sense and often cause misinformation. I'm sure there's a Spaniard on GAF who will summarise.
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Lol. Gotcha..! ;)

I was gonna throw a "game so good no sexy lady can divert" in there but thought it might be a dead giveaway.
 
eso76

eso76

Member
500MB is very small for a demo, maybe just one car/track.

i somehow doubt it's the alps track, and frankly i hope it's an old one (tsukuba, suzuka etc) with just one car.


(would still prefer a huge, long trailer)
 
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saladine1

Junior Member
eso76 said:
500MB is very small for a demo, maybe just one car/track.

i somehow doubt it's the alps track, and frankly i hope it's an old one (tsukuba, suzuka etc) with just one car.


(would still prefer a huge, long trailer)
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You have to ask though, what can be shown in a trailer to raise hype levels again?
At this stage, I believe it's a little late for pics,vids and shit to inspire people. The game comes out in several weeks so a demo would be the only thing to save the whole(lacklustre) marketing strategy that Turn 10 and MS have employed.
 
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AlanzTalon

Member
eso76 said:
500MB is very small for a demo, maybe just one car/track.

i somehow doubt it's the alps track, and frankly i hope it's an old one (tsukuba, suzuka etc) with just one car.


(would still prefer a huge, long trailer)
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Maybe it is a Rivals-style challenge on Top Gear, one car TT or a 2 car head-to-head challenge...just as a guess in the dark.
 
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Mascot

Member
AlanzTalon said:
Maybe it is a Rivals-style challenge on Top Gear, one car TT or a 2 car head-to-head challenge...just as a guess in the dark.
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Holy shit, the demo will be online car soccer. I can fucking SMELL it.
 
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secondspace

Member
saladine1 said:
You have to ask though, what can be shown in a trailer to raise hype levels again?
At this stage, I believe it's a little late for pics,vids and shit to inspire people. The game comes out in several weeks so a demo would be the only thing to save the whole(lacklustre) marketing strategy that Turn 10 and MS have employed.
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I don't think we should start blaming marketing when Turn 10 seem determined to deliver Forza 3.5. If they put the Alps course in the demo, what would be left as a reason to pay full price for the game?
 
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saladine1

Junior Member
secondspace said:
I don't think we should start blaming marketing when Turn 10 seem determined to deliver Forza 3.5. If they put the Alps course in the demo, what would be left as a reason to pay full price for the game?
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I'm not talking about content. I'm talking about how they could've shown so much of everything they have announced so far such as pics to accompany the reveals of cars, videos of cars and the tracks,teasers or whatever...
 
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SPEEDxNASTY

Neo Member
Mascot said:
Holy shit, the demo will be online car soccer. I can fucking SMELL it.
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Releasing a demo featuring car-soccer would pretty much mean self-destruction for Turn10 and ruin their credibility among fans, I doubt they're that stupid.
 
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