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[supernova8]

You have to get the balance right, between fun and sim.

I always thought that the Project Gotham games on Xbox 360 and then Driveclub on PS4 were the best racing games (except Gran Turismo). I felt those games allowed casuals to think they were playing racing sims when they weren't.

Alas, their respective studios and IPs got canned so I guess they were not a commercial success and thus the masses didn't agree with me.

I'm guessing now the market will only accept well-known brands (like Gran Turismo and Forza) and then the ultra nerdy (but cool to watch on youtube) sim racers (mostly played on PC).

 

[LokusAbriss]

Driving is boring, like so much of real life is boring. This is no doubt why many of us look to gaming to escape the real world.

Damn, that sounds depressing. All about perspective. If you would show FM 2023 to yourself 20 years ago playing Mario Kart, you would blow your young mind. Or telling a guy from 100 years ago, that you are using cruise control at 200 kmh while enjoying a podcast playing from you smartphone streamed from the internet.

We don't appreciate the current state in technology of games and tech. And that it get's harder and harder to improve on. But maybe that is good, so the companies work harder to fullfill our needs and wishes.

Driving in a circle at a track sounds boring, but I love cars, racing and tuning. Can't wait for release.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Damn, that sounds depressing. All about perspective. If you would show FM 2023 to yourself 20 years ago playing Mario Kart, you would blow your young mind. Or telling a guy from 100 years ago, that you are using cruise control at 200 kmh while enjoying a podcast playing from you smartphone streamed from the internet.

We don't appreciate the current state in technology of games and tech. And that it get's harder and harder to improve on. But maybe that is good, so the companies work harder to fullfill our needs and wishes.

Driving in a circle at a track sounds boring, but I love cars, racing and tuning. Can't wait for release.

but we are not living in the past, we literally have competition that does the same thing. What makes people get so excited except that they are waiting for a new entry? By that logic even Roblox is a masterpiece compared to Alone in the Dark from the 90s.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Damn, that sounds depressing. All about perspective. If you would show FM 2023 to yourself 20 years ago playing Mario Kart, you would blow your young mind. Or telling a guy from 100 years ago, that you are using cruise control at 200 kmh while enjoying a podcast playing from you smartphone streamed from the internet.

We don't appreciate the current state in technology of games and tech. And that it get's harder and harder to improve on. But maybe that is good, so the companies work harder to fullfill our needs and wishes.

Driving in a circle at a track sounds boring, but I love cars, racing and tuning. Can't wait for release.

I find cars getting ever more boring, more so with this insane move to net zero. And I live in rural South Wales Valley's driving on our roads is not fun at all and will be made far worse with the move to 20 MPH speed limit in all residential area's thanks to the tossers at the Welsh Senedd.

I like driving games, but I want far better AI in my racers

 

[Team Andromeda]

I always thought that the Project Gotham games on Xbox 360 and then Driveclub on PS4 were the best racing games (except Gran Turismo). I felt those games allowed casuals to think they were playing racing sims when they weren't.

Alas, their respective studios and IPs got canned so I guess they were not a commercial success and thus the masses didn't agree with me.

I'm guessing now the market will only accept well-known brands (like Gran Turismo and Forza) and then the ultra nerdy (but cool to watch on youtube) sim racers (mostly played on PC).

I think there is a balance because I can't think of a true Hardcore console racer that's sold millions and millions of copies, it never worked out for F355 or Richard Burns and even when Simbin looked to bring GTR to the 360 it fell flat.

 

[Team Andromeda]

In what world is driving not fun?

In South Wales with a 50 MPH speed limit on the motorway and a 20 MPH speed limit on the main roads.

All thanks to this tosser

 

[U n i o n 0015]

In South Wales with a 50 MPH speed limit on the motorway and a 20 MPH speed limit on the main roads.

All thanks to this tosser

I already know what this guy's internet history looks like.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I already know what this guy's internet history looks like.

Be lucky you don't live in Wales

 

[LostDonkey]

I don't know if this has been posted but this tuber pulled the video and re uploaded due to issues with the colour.



My god that looks amazing. The lighting is a massive improvement over 7.

 

[Turk1993]

I don't know if this has been posted but this tuber pulled the video and re uploaded due to issues with the colour.



My god that looks amazing. The lighting is a massive improvement over 7.

Yup most uploaders had bad HDR converted footage. Just look at Don Joewon Song footage which looks incredible compared to the flat footage of most youtubers. Also HokiHoshi captured that footage from a Series S in performance mode so its the worst the game will look which says alot.

 

[adamsapple]

For a non-enthusiast perspective on the new previews.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Driving is boring, like so much of real life is boring.

If you have and own boring cars, sure.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Driving is boring, like so much of real life is boring.

Not my life and not what I drive, sorry

 

[Estocolmo]

I like Forza but this looks a bit boring

 

[KloetenQuetsche]

I notice that the cars didn't have self shadows. The big wing on the trunk didn't cast a shadow when driving underneath the street lamps.

 

[Turk1993]

"RAaaycing ish bohooring"

 

[Senua]

Yup most uploaders had bad HDR converted footage. Just look at Don Joewon Song footage which looks incredible compared to the flat footage of most youtubers. Also HokiHoshi captured that footage from a Series S in performance mode so its the worst the game will look which says alot.

Even the footage on the official Forza channel had that problem which is bizzare

 

[Turk1993]

Even the footage on the official Forza channel had that problem which is bizzare

Same thing happend with GT7, they copy lot of things from each other, good or bad .

 

[amigastar]

To Project Cars 3 devs: This is how you do it!

 

[Team Andromeda]

If you have and own boring cars, sure.

It doesn't matter if you own a Ferrari, when in Wales the speed limit is 20 MPH. You can go faster on a E scooter for Chirst sake

 

[DeepEnigma]

It doesn't matter if you own a Ferrari, when in Wales the speed limit is 20 MPH. You can go faster on a E scooter for Chirst sake

Sucks to live in Wales as a car enthusiest then. You have my empathy.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Sucks to like in Wales as a car enthusiest then. You have my empathy.

Shame England will no doubt follow. Thank God for gamming

 

[In Cold Blood]

Really looking to play this game. Been hanging to see what Forzatech 2.0 is capable of. The fact that it can do RT in game at 60fps is ridiculous, and already sets it apart from every other game. What this game will look like on high end PCs is going to be nuts.

The one area where they were lacking a bit was their paint shaders. That's something PD has dialed in, and it would be good to see how they do with that in the final game.

 

[adamsapple]

It's interesting to see them talking about the things they've inherited from Playground Games and the Horizon spin-offs, and I'm salivating for this new tech and console RT being utilized in the next Forza Horizon game.

Synergy, yay!

 

[skyfinch]

At 17:35 you can see the replays. Still not as good as GT7, but a huge step up from previous Forza games. Motion blur definitely helps, and there are much better camera angles than before. Lots of glitches though, as it's still a preview build.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Looking good, as most if not all car games are these days...

just sitting back and waiting for the Forza/GT7 wars to start lol

 

[Elysium44]

At 17:35 you can see the replays. Still not as good as GT7, but a huge step up from previous Forza games. Motion blur definitely helps, and there are much better camera angles than before. Lots of glitches though, as it's still a preview build.

Based on that it looks a lot better. Good to see.

 

[Bogroll]

Am I the only one who thinks the cars would look better with number/licence plates. I get race cars with sponsorship decals etc but road cars would look better with them.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Am I the only one who thinks the cars would look better with number/licence plates. I get race cars with sponsorship decals etc but road cars would look better with them.

It's what the livery editors are for. People make great region templates as well.

 

[Bogroll]

It's what the livery editors are for. People make great region templates as well.

I'm not sure on FM if it would let me paint where the plate goes. (been a while) not tried on GT7.

 

[skyfinch]

Based on that it looks a lot better. Good to see.

Definitely better than before, but wish they added depth of field.

Night replays are pretty ugly though. Headlights especially.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm not sure on FM if it would let me paint where the plate goes. (been a while) not tried on GT7.

I rock customs on GT7. I would think you can do the same with Forza.

Definitely better than before, but wish they added depth of field.

Night replays are pretty ugly though. Headlights especially.

Little more shaky cam panning as well would add to the realism.

 

[Elysium44]

Definitely better than before, but wish they added depth of field.

Night replays are pretty ugly though. Headlights especially.

Hopefully will be better for the full release. I'm just delighted they haven't copy and pasted the previous games' replay system.

 

[Bogroll]

I rock customs on GT7. I would think you can do the same with Forza.


Little more shaky cam panning as well would add to the realism.

Bloody hell you can, must have been years ago I tried it and I've never tried since.

 

[sachos]

First First party Xbox game with actual ray tracing in game?

 

[Insane Metal]

I'm finally able to watch the videos in 4K now (my internet was borked), and I must say, RT looks great and all but I'm really bummed at the quality of the models ingame. Lots of polygons and sometimes the reflections look like shit. I mean look at this on Series X:

Also, looks at the trees and the ground there:

 

[calistan]

It doesn't matter if you own a Ferrari, when in Wales the speed limit is 20 MPH. You can go faster on a E scooter for Chirst sake

Twenty is plenty, sir. I'm all for it, and I advocate enforcement by sniper teams.

(I don't own a car.)

 

[Team Andromeda]

Twenty is plenty, sir. I'm all for it, and I advocate enforcement by sniper teams.

(I don't own a car.)

I advocate you live in Wales.

 

[hlm666]

It doesn't matter if you own a Ferrari, when in Wales the speed limit is 20 MPH. You can go faster on a E scooter for Chirst sake

You probably have other track day options over there, but if I had the opportunity this would be a bucket list item done if I lived near you. Then it would be an annual trip, although if I owned a ferrari I might be able to swing it to biannually.

https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Wales/N%C3%BCrburgring

There's so many activities you could claim isn't fun because you can't do/use it in general public places.

 

[Team Andromeda]

You probably have other track day options over there, but if I had the opportunity this would be a bucket list item done if I lived near you. Then it would be an annual trip, although if I owned a ferrari I might be able to swing it to biannually.

https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Wales/N%C3%BCrburgring

There's so many activities you could claim isn't fun because you can't do/use it in general public places.

No mate. Wales road building programme has been stopped thanks to the tosser at the Senedd, it's no longer fun to drive, its not much better on Public transport thanks to Transport for Wales being years behind their electrification

Nice walks here in the Valley's mind and we'll never run out of Water, not all bad

 

[hlm666]

No mate. Wales road building programme has been stopped thanks to the tosser at the Senedd, it's no longer fun to drive, its not much better on Public transport thanks to Transport for Wales being years behind their electrification

Nice walks here in the Valley's mind and we'll never run out of Water, not all bad

I actually ment going to nurburg to drive a car legally at speed on the ring on a weekend when it's open to the public, I wasn't implying going on a road trip to nurburg breaking laws along the way on public roads. Although maybe you might be able to get on an autobahn and legally open it up then I guess.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I actually ment going to nurburg to drive a car legally at speed on the ring on a weekend when it's open to the public, I wasn't implying going on a road trip to nurburg breaking laws along the way on public roads. Although maybe you might be able to get on an autobahn and legally open it up then I guess.

I don't want to live or travel to Germany. Day to day driving is crap here in Wales (or at least in my part of the valleys) She drives now, I've turned my back on the car and just walk to work these days or use the crappy train.

I can't wait for the new Forza mind.

 

[calistan]

I advocate you live in Wales.

I can see the Cardiffy end of Wales from my window here, misty mountain paradise of slow driving.

 

[blastprocessor]

Here you can see the visuals are definitely a huge leap over 7 at least.

That side by side is massive!!

I mean it's a bigger upgrade (for the tracks) than GT7 that's for sure.

 

[M1chl]

"RAaaycing ish bohooring"

Only one game ever captured that feel:



Everything else is just a soy experience

 

[LostDonkey]

Only one game ever captured that feel:



Everything else is just a soy experience

Such an under rated game. I remember playing on PS3 and being amazed at the Cars in front of you being reflected on the bonnet (hood) as you were racing around.

Im sure it was the only racing game on PS3 to achieve this, not even Gran Turismo 6 did if i recall.

 

[Bloobs]

Only one game ever captured that feel:



Everything else is just a soy experience

First time ive ever seen a 1080p50 vid lol. Yeah the Shift games were something special.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Insane Metal]

Ouch

 

[NeverYouMind]

Differential at Level 9 and Drivetrain at Level 50?!