fu3lfr3nzy
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I dont see why the GT-R would be left out, this isnt Porsche we're talking about :lol
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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...
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evil_as_skeletor
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I thought that might be the case, but I hadn't really been interested in any of the previous announcements - just this one and the 180/240sx... and that had pics.fu3lfr3nzy said:
Wishful thinking... Unless JUBE or BADNED can help out? :-D
soundscream
Member
Modeled lugnuts confirmedsaladine1 said:
brotkasten
Member
Don't believe him! He's still disappointed that T10 didn't announce Spa.
Fool me thrice...saladine1 said:
The hype machine has learned nothing from last title. Casuals aren't buying this franchise, yet the main focus of catering to them is beyond it. Glitz and glamour aren't going to push units. Just as porsche didn't do anything. Cater to the sim audience. Its large enough. Turn10 needs to drop the delusion of taking a made up arcade/sim market that doesn't exist. GT5 did fine catering to sim fans, without auto brake and rewind. NFS does fine without a hardcore simulation mode.
Outside of the 16 player, and modern lighting model. Its hard to not see any sim information come out. New cars are great, but thats all fm3 offered over the previous title, while removing other features and crippling online. Pat t10 on the back for delivering what their competition already has? Don't think so.
Im sure it will be a critical success. As fm3 was with its dated visuals, and lack of content. But when it came down to it, the xbox audience worldwide couldn't justify a purchase, sim and casual alike. Its like fm4 ia the apology for fm3, but without the flowers and chocolate. Weather, wide track selection, time of day, different vehicle types, track editor/creator, 1080p, open wheel vehicles, should be standard options at this point, for those interested. And those that were interested in that, picked up GT5. Not the casual fanbase who don't know what a camber. Im on the fence, as my initial excitement has been drowned out by lack of real sim staples. Car list in the forza series is the best out. Needs something more though.
Maybe it's too late to change marketing directions. But hey, look, there's a spade.
saladine is playing with us ? :lol
BTW, nice troll commedieu but we have a thread for that you know...
BTW, nice troll commedieu but we have a thread for that you know...
sechsterangriff
Member
saladine1 said:
The only think that would make me ready my body, would be the inclusion of Magic Weather (Shenmue reference) in some of the tracks. And if the game was to have something like that, it would've probably been announced by now. So I'm not getting my hopes up...
soundscream
Member
He is salty as fuck lolG Rom said:
i like this post, i agree they should be showing off the sim aspects more, it seems every damn interview they are talking about more casual stuff like top gear, what happened to going in depth about tire physics and damage etc. but 1080p is out of the question, remember this is 6 year old hardware now. i'm surprised we get 60fps lolcommedieu said:
i will be pissed off if they do this, we've waited 2 years for a game with a much better selection of a tracks and we'll have to buy them separately? i hate this DLC bullshit nowadays. except i'm mainly a PC gamer and we usually get DLC freeMascot said:
sechsterangriff said:
Master Suzuki included Magic Weather in F355 Challenge game and it was glorious for the genre and overall game.
Forza 4 will have *some kind* of Magic Weather, with different daytime setting for *some* circuits, similar to one presented in NFS Shift 2 (but without nightime races as it seems).
Having all Weather variants on all circuits - something that should easily be done with the IBL engine - would be epic. However, it seems that many things from original 1999 F355 game (I am talking PS2 version which was most complete) still waits to become a standard in the current games.
Magic Weather, Great Driver Challenge races and post-race Data Analysis - as done in the F355 Challenge - still remains the unreachable landmarks of the genre, 12 years later.
Risk Breaker
Member
Xun said:
It's 1280x1080, which can be written as 1080p even if it isn't 1920x1080. It's 1.5x the pixels, something that, actually, makes things look better.
Comparisons between both franchises are stupid anyway, everyone knows (or should know) what they offer. It's also taboo because both games are exclusives
Everyone can "hate" on Shift and no one will call it trolling.On other news, my 360 disc tray is dying
So I'm not sure if I'll play this, I'll be too scared to take out the Gears 3 disc, lolTrunchisholm
Member
Risk Breaker said:
More pixels = better IQ. That's a given. It certainly looks better than 720p, but 1280x1080 is NOT 1080p, not by any stretch of the imagination. There's a huge difference. As in 1/3 less pixels. Also, the significant horizontal scaling, although better than vertical scaling, doesn't help.
eso76
Member
saladine1 said:
Saladine, tu quoque ?
You guys can't play with our feelings like this.
We don't need more people teasing and dropping such hints !
We don't want to know who told you and what it is, but at least tell us...
is it something you know ?
you heard ?
you hope ?
think ?
Special news as in "Porsche is not in the game" or special 'good' news ?
brotkasten
Member
Trunchisholm said:
1080p just means 1080 progressive rendered lines, nothing more, nothing less. It's not some kind of international standard. Just because everyone thinks it means full HD resolution, it doesn't make it right. It's nitpicking, sure, but technically he's right. The content of his post isn't wrong either and everyone should stop calling bitching like that trolling. Sure, it's not very intelligent to come here and piss on the parade, but nothing he said was wrong. I don't agree with him about the rendering resolution, because I prefer a consistent framerate, but the rest? Yeah, I can agree with that, even though I'm looking forward to play this game and buy a new 360 for it.
Since when have I used the term troll recently? You're making it out as if I constantly use that word.Xanadu said:
I was referring to full 16:9 widescreen 1080p, something which isn't possible on the current platforms with 60fps at the detail both GT5 and Forza 4 are producing.Risk Breaker said:
Don't get me wrong, I think it does look better but in my honest opinion it's not what should be considered 1080p.
commedieu said:
FM has sold more in each iteration of it's outing, it's clear from 'other' games that there is lots of money to be had in the 'simcade' genre, of which FM fits very well indeed.
As for the notion about thinking a true sim crowd is the right market for sales, Race Pro says 'hi'..
It may not be some people's cup of tea, and people may prefer the bullet point winning but substance lacking of other games in the same vein, but to say FM3 is dated and lacking content, whilst ignoring all it's community features, cohesive structure to things like leaderboards and excellent online, it's not hard to see why it's a nicely growing series that has come from no-where and is seemingly on the up..
It's a fine line, the amount of almost deliberately misplaced opinion in that post is sailing close to the wind IMO..Xanadu said:
LordPhoque
Banned
Xanadu said:
GT5 also have a shitty framerate and very inconsistent graphics, so 720p with rock solid 60fps will do, thanks.
LordPhoque
Banned
Xanadu said:
I'm a forza fan, yes, and I do read this thread for new informations and updates. You are, on the other hand, a butthurt GT fan that keep on downplaying Forza on this thread which is kind of pathetic.
eso76
Member
commedieu said:
Forza 3 is a great game and i believe hype was justified, although information was misleading on a few points. If people in this thread thought otherwise...well, they wouldn't be in this thread. Which raises the question...why are you ?
Seriously though, I think 60% of GT series' success is among casuals because of the "omg it looks real" factor. You don't sell millions catering to hardcore sim fanatics.
True, they should release more informations about the sim aspects, besides just claiming 'new tire simulation and new physics', which, in any case, are confirmed working by hands on. They are neglecting the sim fanatics part of their audience, maybe, but apparently only in regards to marketing.
Also, Forza was ahead of its time in many ways in terms of features. It certainly wasn't the one behind the 'standards', although it might lag behind now.
Xanadu said:
Come on, don't try to pretend that commedieu wasn't trolling. I mean, he picks IBL over new tire model for sim informations, smh.
Anyone who play both games could do the same kind of post but with the two games swapped just like anyone who play both knows the strength and weakness of each game.
IMO, every self respecting motorsport/car fan should be playing both series and thanking whoever they want that we get two series of this quality. For three years in a row, we've been getting one new Forza or GT. GT6 in 2012 ?
BELIEVE
Fake edit : Here we go again, Lord Phoque is in da place... :/
Seriously, you should just stop or at least go to the Vs thread please...
i've owned every forza game since the first, i bet i've put more hours into every forza game minus 3 than you. i bought live JUST for forza 1 and PGR2. oh and i bought the collector editions of 2 and 3. the difference between you and me is i like both series, and i'm not afraid to point out negative aspects of the series. go back to the old GT5 prerelease thread, i complained about many many things and i was called a forza troll there. i cant win lmfaoLordPhoque said:
soundscream
Member
So in your eyes its ok to talk about how bad forza is compared to gt5, yet bringing up a fault of gt5 is fanboyism.Xanadu said:
The point being as pointed out by G Rom there is a thread to compare apples and oranges. This is not the place.
Give out criticism of the game or turn 10 we all do. But that thread exist for a reason.
This has no place in this thread.
Risk Breaker
Member
LordPhoque said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/gran-turismo-5-frame-rate-analysis
What's so shitty about thi-
... oh wait. dat tag. Why bother.
Now can we please stop shitting up this thread?
Question: when do you guys think the demo for this will drop on Live?
Risk Breaker said:
nah GT5 does dip..especially in the rain with 15 cars in front of you. i just love how everytime someone says something negative about forza that guy comes in and starts talking shit about GT. is he the forza defence force?
i hope but will it only be available to gold members? that would suck i'd have to buy gold just for a damn demoG Rom said:
eso76
Member
Risk Breaker said:
ok guys, one doesn't need to check eurogamer to know GT5 framerate is all over the place, come on. I'm not entirely sure fm4 is rock solid either, though, but...
..demo...of course ! That's what Saladine was talking about.
Would have preferred some special news about the game itself, but demo could drop as soon as next week.
brotkasten
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Snubbers said:
Do we have actual sales numbers?