soundscream
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But there are a ton of cars I still haven't driven. Yes a favorite here or there might be gone but there is still enough because I only use like 50 at most.
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Forza Motorsport 5 |OT| Open wheel, tyre squeal, orange peel, dat next-gen feel
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But there are a ton of cars I still haven't driven. Yes a favorite here or there might be gone but there is still enough because I only use like 50 at most.
I think I only ever really used about a dozen cars in FM4. I'm pretty sure I used all the tracks though. More than once, some of them.
soundscream
Member
This is true. Tracks >>>>>> Cars.
Is there an announcement incoming?
This is a universal truth acknowledged by everybody except Dan, it seems.
Big Takeover
Member
Druggy, just wanted to point you to Basher's Fanatec-to-TM pedal adapter. You may have already seen it, but I myself just noticed on his site.
http://www.basherboards.com/node/26
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Ah excellent, it went very quiet after Xmas.
I'll email and see how things are going. Thanks.
soundscream
Member
Still sucks that there is no solution for a shifter. They really should have both been available at launch.
Big Takeover
Member
Yeah, that does blow. What's the story with how it's supposed to connect anyway? Is there a secondary input on the TX? USB or wirelessly to the X1? I don't even know.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Theres a PS/2 connector for the shifter not unlike the entry level Fanatec ones.
Tried plugging a Porsche shifter in but of course it does nothing.
Tried plugging a Porsche shifter in but of course it does nothing.
I would love to join the league if there is room. I've been looking for a league to join for a while - something not too serious but good, clean racing. My tag is Block Mate and I'm on the XboxGAF friends list as well.
Worth it for the Mugen CRX alone. Awesome car!
AlmostMilk
Member
skyfinch
Member
After the new update it's still there.
Paladin CL
Member
Both are important and there no reason why more cars means less tracks, they are made by different artists.
Forza needs more tracks, but it doesn't need less cars.
soundscream
Member
Dont be embarrassed assist are great if you use them properly. When I first started with Forza I had the full driving line on and most of the assist. By 2 I was only using the breaking line. For 3 I turned off the line and removed traction control. When 4 came out I was off all assist and switched to manual, and eventually manual with clutch. So now I'm completely assist free. And that's the best way to play, each car becomes it's own little mini game. Trying to figure out how to get the most out of each car becomes a challenge.
hey spaceman, last thing you want to do is question where my gaming loyalty is.
its where the fun is. and to put this in numbers:
forza 5, level 325,
nfs rivals, level 25
and the shooters? I guess i have a little bit of ..dudebro in me, too
Slackbladder
Member
Those 'Drivatars' are absolutely psychotic. Trying to get through a race without getting whacked is near impossible. Had a few great ones mind you, where I just slid through the pack nice and easy. But damn, they can be lunatics. I guess that's to be expected if their data is taken from players.
Hmm, the CTR2 is rear wheel drive for some reason. Looks like I'll have to do a drivetrain swap on it.
Enjoying the game immensely. Level 103 in a little over a week.
Hmm, the CTR2 is rear wheel drive for some reason. Looks like I'll have to do a drivetrain swap on it.
Enjoying the game immensely. Level 103 in a little over a week.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I'm thinking T10 are using drivatars as an excuse for lousy and aggressive AI, don't blame us...blame your friends driving.
F4 were bad but these are on another level, can't recall a single clean race against them unless I'm way up front at the start on free play. I'm sure they are the reason rewind cannot be disabled.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
FWIW, I have had great races with Drivatars set to unbeatable. Very little terribleness. I'm only level 40, so maybe it's just a matter of time, but I am really happy with how well they work.
Me too, my experience has been positive for the most part.
Would you prefer FM4 AI instead of FM5 Drivatars?
Spaceman Spiff
Member
Fuck that, FM4's AI was abysmal. Their poor driving just wasn't as apparent since you rarely weren't in the lead by the end of the first lap. If nothing else, at least FM5's AI can make it a race until the end.
Pro or Unbeatable Drivatars generally give me a good race, although on some days they are certainly more aggressive than others. In closely-spaced groups, they tend to do more rubbing than racing, but in small packs or one-on-one, they're some of the better AI opponents I've come across. Shift 2 was my previous benchmark for good racing AI, and FM5's, (when they mind their manners), are right up there.
More than the behavior of the Drivatars themselves, I think the problem is that the short 2-3 lap races force you to be more reckless than you may like as you battle to get up front, and the traffic can seem to mirror your aggression up close. Staying patient and letting the race come to you, as hard as that can be in these short sprints, tends to provide more enjoyable competition.
hey spaceman, last thing you want to do is question where my gaming loyalty is.
its where the fun is. and to put this in numbers:
forza 5, level 325,
nfs rivals, level 25
and the shooters? I guess i have a little bit of ..dudebro in me, too
A lowly 211 here. Serves me right for trying to take a cheap shot.
I've only completed like 10 or 15 series in the career leagues. The grind in FM5 is particularly harsh, and even as someone who has completed every single event in every single Forza, I'm finding little motivation to continue. Most of my driving has been in Rivals, where the limited track roster and poor career design aren't as big a deal and the superb driving model is front and center.
How have you been enjoying NFS Rivals, by the way? I had a lot of fun playing the last Hot Pursuit at a buddy's, but wasn't a fan of Most Wanted. Is Rivals closer to the former or latter?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Maybe.
Forza 4's are slower, a little more scripted but not nearly as aggressive. F5's drivatars aren't so bad once they spread out a little but they will happily plough straight in the back of my car, brake for no reason, lean on me and ram when making a clean pass. That's no fun when you only have 2 or 3 laps to catch the leader.
It feels a lot like a bad day's racing online.
Don't think they suffer mechanical damage either.
i call BS on turn 1 of Le Mans. Its a rare occurrence i get through that chicane without cursing like a mad man and rewinding over and over again - especially in the more fragile cars.
still, despite flaws, forza 5's AI is a huge improvement. for the most part, they feel quite excellent to race against. as pointed out above, most of the flaws wouldnt be as big a deal if t10 gave us more then 2-3 laps to get to a podium position.
-positive experience with drivatars too, but not sure its what I expected. I basically expected a carbon copy of me in your game. I dont think its that, but what it is, its much better than what we had before. I always race on unbeatable too, and they are not unbeatable i can tell you. you can both pass them, and throw them out of tarmac if you want to
-about career grind etc, why not try to just get the car you just bought, oem and all, and jump for some free racing? you get to pick the track and laps, and the AI, it chooses for opponents oem cars that are around your car's oem power levels.
always makes a good race. pays too.
I never finished all the career races in f4, and I knew I wouldnt one week in the game these ones, I think I might be finishing them all. but taking my time.
-about nfs rivals.. what to say.. I like racing games, and this is not the worst nfs by any chance
there is enjoyment to be had, trying out the cars, running around the nfs world, from mountain with glacy roads, to american highway in the desert style. handling is arcade total but works, and graphics are fine until you reach the higher levels of the game, where framerate is hit when big chases with the best cars etc happen.
when playing with other players in the world, lately many times it kicks me to desktop, especially if people that tend to talk a lot leave or change etc. strangely, and probably by chance, when with silent people, the crash to desktop almost never happens.
overall, I guess I would suggest it both to a casual dude and a racing dude for differenet reasons. in your case, I think a temporary change of pace from f5 will benefit you more.
IF you decide to get it, let me know and we make some highway patrols crushing any fools that dare to think about ...traveling on our roads! ;D
(also I can see where all these people that play forza ..rivals online , are coming from )
ps
YO BADNED!! ANY GOOD NOOZ FOR US MY MAN?
anything nice going to happen after microsoft rolls the OS update?
-about career grind etc, why not try to just get the car you just bought, oem and all, and jump for some free racing? you get to pick the track and laps, and the AI, it chooses for opponents oem cars that are around your car's oem power levels.
always makes a good race. pays too.
I never finished all the career races in f4, and I knew I wouldnt one week in the game
these ones, I think I might be finishing them all. but taking my time.-about nfs rivals.. what to say.. I like racing games, and this is not the worst nfs by any chance
there is enjoyment to be had, trying out the cars, running around the nfs world, from mountain with glacy roads, to american highway in the desert style. handling is arcade total but works, and graphics are fine until you reach the higher levels of the game, where framerate is hit when big chases with the best cars etc happen.
when playing with other players in the world, lately many times it kicks me to desktop, especially if people that tend to talk a lot leave or change etc. strangely, and probably by chance, when with silent people, the crash to desktop almost never happens.
overall, I guess I would suggest it both to a casual dude and a racing dude for differenet reasons. in your case, I think a temporary change of pace from f5 will benefit you more.
IF you decide to get it, let me know and we make some highway patrols crushing any fools that dare to think about ...traveling on our roads! ;D
(also I can see where all these people that play forza ..rivals online , are coming from
)ps
YO BADNED!! ANY GOOD NOOZ FOR US MY MAN?
anything nice going to happen after microsoft rolls the OS update?
soundscream
Member
That mugen honda is kind of fun, we should use it one week.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
If it's turned on they do and will pit at some threshold. You are more likely to see it in longer races than the ones that exist in the career mode.
Pollux
Member
Yeah. I'm going to do a couple more series on easy mode before I raise the difficulty level since this is really the first driving game that I've been able to get into and enjoy.
Although, I'm currently getting gold on the first try on almost every race I try so I should probably raise the difficulty level sooner rather than later.
soundscream
Member
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah, this is one of the reasons I've been annoyed at some of the blind praise being heaped on "Drivatars" by the press and some fans. Just because it has someone's name above it doesn't truly prove it's accurately mimicking their driving style.
soundscream
Member
Having driven with some Gaffers IRL I would argue that their drivatars behave very similar. Especially at the harder difficulty drivitars are good for the most part.
Sounds like Drivatars are *exactly* like I predicted they would be. Its essentially still the computer AI, but with certain behaviors awkwardly integrated into that to try and make some sort of more unique driving behaviour. It makes little difference to the competitiveness of a car and simply affects how aggressive a car is on a scale from mean-to-lethal.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Incorrect! It is of course an AI, but it isn't the FM2-4 AI that we hate. No more random mid-corner breaking, for instance.
Well that's certainly an improvement! lol
But I've seen videos, man. I've seent em. Aint no hiding how horrible they can be. The AI used to be lousy but predictable and now its just psychotic and unpredictable. I cant really say its an improvement, although I'm sure it feels fresh and like nothing else.
Pollux
Member
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Drivatars are entertaining to watch as you race and occasionally pull off nice moves but they really need to be given a greater sense of self preservation. Not once did I rewind in F4 but I have here (sometimes by accident as it's mapped next door to the rear view button)
What car are you using?
Start out at the bottom with the lower class stuff and get a feel for the car/track, brake earlier and gently in a straight line and listen to the tyre noises.
What car are you using?
Start out at the bottom with the lower class stuff and get a feel for the car/track, brake earlier and gently in a straight line and listen to the tyre noises.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Be lighter on the brakes as soon as it locks up, back off. You'll learn it soon enough.
soundscream
Member
Well I said slowly remove assist one at a time
But first things first don't use a crazy high powered car, and go slow until you feel like you are in control of the car at all times.
state_vector_collapse
Member
Hmmm, you are playing a different FM5 to the one I am. They are even randomly breaking mid-straight! This is on the hardest difficulty by the way.
I have lost count of how many times I have rewound on this version of the game. By the way, does anyone know a way to force your friends to appear as drivatars. Have plenty of friends playing this game on a regular basis. but I get maybe 2-3 friends appear as drivatars, the rest are always randoms no matter what difficulty I mess around with on an attempt to get my friends drivatars up.
Redshirt
Banned
I think it's intentional, and I'm not sure there's any way around it.
Forza certainly needs more control in this regard. I'd like the option to set friend count and to star the friends that the system can choose from.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
When I said 'randomly' I meant was 'every goddamn time, for no apparent reason so appearing to be irrational and poorly programmed'.
Yes, there is some bizarre, more random-seeming braking, though usually in the form of brake-checking. The pool of drivatars I've been given doesn't do that much (though I have seen it).
I usually have 5 friends in a race. Does their ability have anything to do with which difficulties their drivatars are placed in?
Redshirt
Banned
I don't think so. I have my drivatar skill set to expert (35%) and Major Nelson still shows up even though he hasn't even played Forza since launch.