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[SmokyDave]

What would be the point in causing a run on the banks?

In what way, shape or form would that help anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't understand how the negative effects would hurt the banks and not the people instead.

 

[Mael]

What would be the point in causing a run on the banks?

In what way, shape or form would that help anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't understand how the negative effects would hurt the banks and not the people instead.

Don't you get it? Banks are TEH EVIL!!!!
Never mind that not all banks are equals and all that.
Pretty lousy idea if you ask me, then again it's Cantona :/

 

[2San]

What would be the point in causing a run on the banks?

In what way, shape or form would that help anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't understand how the negative effects would hurt the banks and not the people instead.

Some people take pleasure in fucking over other people and themselves I don't know why. :|

 

[wolfmat]

What would be the point in causing a run on the banks?

In what way, shape or form would that help anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't understand how the negative effects would hurt the banks and not the people instead.

Short-term, it wouldn't help anybody; everybody would go broke. So that's easy to figure out.

Long-term, it would induce change on a massive scale if it actually brought the banks to their knees. There would be the need for alternatives, and obviously, a lot of lefties think there are alternatives that are worth it. Whether or not such change is positive is debatable though; depends on your projection of what would happen, your stance towards banking and the role of money in our world; shit like that.

 

[NotWii]

What would be the point in causing a run on the banks?

In what way, shape or form would that help anybody?

I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't understand how the negative effects would hurt the banks and not the people instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbiu_kH-HM

 

[SmokyDave]

Short-term, it wouldn't help anybody; everybody would go broke. So that's easy to figure out.

Or would they? The money isn't real. I reckon they'd just shuffle some numbers on some screens and then tell you that your paper is worthless. You don't relinquish that kind of power over a technicality.

Long-term, it would induce change on a massive scale if it actually brought the banks to their knees. There would be the need for alternatives, and obviously, a lot of lefties think there are alternatives that are worth it. Whether or not such change is positive is debatable though; depends on your projection of what would happen, your stance towards banking and the role of money in our world; shit like that.

I don't think it would. I also don't think anybody, left or otherwise, has any idea what to do next if our current system drops dead. There'll be a huge power vacuum during which 'Banks 2.0' emerge and we're back at square one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbiu_kH-HM

Thanks for the link, I'll give it a butchers when I get home.

 

[wolfmat]

Or would they? The money isn't real. I reckon they'd just shuffle some numbers on some screens and then tell you that your paper is worthless. You don't relinquish that kind of power over a technicality.

That's the whole point, such an action would lead to immediate inflation, which means abrupt devaluation of money. This also translates to resources, immobiles, trade value and so forth. The effect has been observed in history; we're talking starving masses and shit.

I don't think it would. I also don't think anybody, left or otherwise, has any idea what to do next if our current system drops dead. There'll be a huge power vacuum during which 'Banks 2.0' emerge and we're back at square one.

Well, it's induced massive change before. Inflation leads to power shifts. You might be right with the Bank 2.0 thing though.

 

[Mael]

That's the whole point, such an action would lead to immediate inflation, which means abrupt devaluation of money. This also translates to resources, immobiles, trade value and so forth. The effect has been observed in history; we're talking starving masses and shit.

Well, it's induced massive change before. Inflation leads to power shifts. You might be right with the Bank 2.0 thing though.

Ok and this is a good idea why now?

 

[wolfmat]

Ok and this is a good idea why now?

I wouldn't say that at all, actually. It's crazy. Starving sucks.

On the other hand, the masses are actually starving right now. So there are people making the point that the systemic accumulation of wealth inside the western banks eventually leads to dead Africans, and that masses of workers are effectively enslaved and indoctrinated to love it. And that this basic injustice can only be overcome by a revolution on such a scale. Hence the WTO hate and so forth.

Note that it's not my point. I'm just trying to interpret myself, for the most part. I'm not clear on a lot of points, actually; that's why I usually become very careful when it's about politics. There's so many extremists that you're bound to be stabbed into the eye socket eventually if you're not careful.

 

[SmokyDave]

I wouldn't say that at all, actually. It's crazy. Starving sucks.

On the other hand, the masses are actually starving right now. So there are people making the point that the systemic accumulation of wealth inside the western banks eventually leads to dead Africans, and that masses of workers are effectively enslaved and indoctrinated to love it. And that this basic injustice can only be overcome by a revolution on such a scale. Hence the WTO hate and so forth.

Note that it's not my point. I'm just trying to interpret myself, for the most part. I'm not clear on a lot of points, actually; that's why I usually become very careful when it's about politics. There's so many extremists that you're bound to be stabbed into the eye socket eventually if you're not careful.

More or less at my request, something I'm very grateful for.

I thought it was a bad idea before, I think it's a bad idea now. I understand the aim though.

 

[Mael]

I wouldn't say that at all, actually. It's crazy. Starving sucks.

On the other hand, the masses are actually starving right now. So there are people making the point that the systemic accumulation of wealth inside the western banks eventually leads to dead Africans, and that masses of workers are effectively enslaved and indoctrinated to love it. And that this basic injustice can only be overcome by a revolution on such a scale. Hence the WTO hate and so forth.

Note that it's not my point. I'm just trying to interpret myself, for the most part. I'm not clear on a lot of points, actually; that's why I usually become very careful when it's about politics. There's so many extremists that you're bound to be stabbed into the eye socket eventually if you're not careful.

Thanks for the reply,
and oh for the love of god and all that is holy do I hate the 'think of the starving Africans'.
Seriously nobody really cares about them and the ones that do couldn't be arsed to think of the dying hoboes out here.
If there's anything that's making my blood boil it's actually the mock selflessness that claims that in order to help people from the other side of the planet, we need to destroy everything while totally forgetting starving people on the back of our streets.

I mean if you're bold enough to make incredible sacrifices for a greater imaginary good while totally disregarding anything and everything quite real down here, might as well not change the system as it is.

 

[wolfmat]

and oh for the love of god and all that is holy do I hate the 'think of the starving Africans'.

Well, it's not only the Africans, and it's not only starving. Basically, all grand themes are usually referenced: Pollution, health care, loans, warfare, religion… The list is rather long. It's just that the starving Africans are the immediately obvious part of it, you don't have to think for long to figure out how the connection works.

Seriously nobody really cares about them and the ones that do couldn't be arsed to think of the dying hoboes out here.

I wouldn't say that. For one, the starving Africans care. Sure, it's easy to just ignore them if it's not your immediate problem. Same goes for the hobos.

If there's anything that's making my blood boil it's actually the mock selflessness that claims that in order to help people from the other side of the planet, we need to destroy everything while totally forgetting starving people on the back of our streets.

There's another injustice, yes. I agree that both should be adressed in some manner if you're adressing any. What makes my blood boil is the assumption that the solution is trivial, and that everyone in power is in fact an evil fucker that knows the solution and decides to not care for some reason. I think it's outrageous to proclaim that, it contradicts common sense. After all, history tells us that tragic injustice usually is the result of the evil of masses, be it direct or indirect. So you have to have a spark, but you also need the gasoline or something like that.

I mean if you're bold enough to make incredible sacrifices for a greater imaginary good while totally disregarding anything and everything quite real down here, might as well not change the system as it is.

I don't think I agree. I'd say if you're bold enough to demand sacrifices from the unknown masses, you have to start with yourself. So that's why communism is brilliant in theory. But as we all know, it goes downhill from there. Which leads to a conundrum all by itself, one that can only be broken by better men than we are. So by that measure, our next job is to better ourselves, not break everything.

 

[Mael]

Well, it's not only the Africans, and it's not only starving. Basically, all grand themes are usually referenced: Pollution, health care, loans, warfare, religion… The list is rather long. It's just that the starving Africans are the immediately obvious part of it, you don't have to think for long to figure out how the connection works.

Well yeah indeed, the 'starving african' is just a generalisation here.
I could have gone with how crazy people are over the 'save the planet' when they're pretty much doing nothing AND demand that big sacrifices be made, like that'd help anyone.

I wouldn't say that. For one, the starving Africans care. Sure, it's easy to just ignore them if it's not your immediate problem. Same goes for the hobos.

That's the thing though, take brigite Bardo for example Africans and hobos may die as long as animals are not tested upon and everyone is nice to thier dogs.That's a cognitive dissonance I can't support.
Here the destruction of the banking system will cause untold damages, but that's ok it is for to help the poor.

There's another injustice, yes. I agree that both should be adressed in some manner if you're adressing any. What makes my blood boil is the assumption that the solution is trivial, and that everyone in power is in fact an evil fucker that knows the solution and decides to not care for some reason. I think it's outrageous to proclaim that, it contradicts common sense. After all, history tells us that tragic injustice usually is the result of the evil of masses, be it direct or indirect. So you have to have a spark, but you also need the gasoline or something like that.

Can't argue when we agree here.

I don't think I agree. I'd say if you're bold enough to demand sacrifices from the unknown masses, you have to start with yourself. So that's why communism is brilliant in theory. But as we all know, it goes downhill from there. Which leads to a conundrum all by itself, one that can only be broken by better men than we are. So by that measure, our next job is to better ourselves, not break everything.

That's actually what I wanted to say....
I mean if your best plan to make things better is to destroy everything for such petty reasons, might as well not do anything at all.

 

[antiloop]

There's another injustice, yes. I agree that both should be adressed in some manner if you're adressing any. What makes my blood boil is the assumption that the solution is trivial, and that everyone in power is in fact an evil fucker that knows the solution and decides to not care for some reason. I think it's outrageous to proclaim that, it contradicts common sense. After all, history tells us that tragic injustice usually is the result of the evil of masses, be it direct or indirect. So you have to have a spark, but you also need the gasoline or something like that.

Evil of masses? Evil people exists at all levels but power corrupts. That's what history shows us.

 

[Mael]

Evil of masses? Evil people exists at all levels but power corrupts. That's what history shows us.

Oh come on it's pretty well known that if you take a big group of people they tend to be more easily deceived and manipulated.
You can claim all you want that the powerful of the worlds are dirty scumbags that want to bring the world to its destuction that doesn't make it true, most of them are probably decent people you could enjoy a coffee with and only do/did what they thought was best for the people they governed over, heck even coming from a country where we actually made a national sport of slaying our kings I can tell that even they were corrupt evil doers most of the times.
Although if Woerth is really guilty of what he's going to be charged, he needs to get the Fawkes's treatment.

 

[Sotha Sil]

I may do a new topic to make it a little more formal and all that.

PoliGAF: French edition would indeed be a good idea. A separate thread would be cool; this one is getting old.

 

[Mael]

PoliGAF: French edition would indeed be a good idea. A separate thread would be cool; this one is getting old.

Not a bad idea, was wondering why there was no thread about it, getting a bit sick of only seeing french news here related to how stuffs are inflammable :/

About the title :

PoliGaf France : Last years made of cheese?

PoliGaf France : for someone to lose there must be a winner?

PoliGaf France : Musical chairs edition?

 

[Kurtofan]

Not a bad idea, was wondering why there was no thread about it, getting a bit sick of only seeing french news here related to how stuffs are inflammable :/

About the title :

PoliGaf France : Last years made of cheese?

PoliGaf France : for someone to lose there must be a winner?

PoliGaf France : Musical chairs edition?

Borlool edition.

 

[SmokyDave]

You have a far sexier language than English at hand. Use it.

Bonus points for bi-lingual wordplay.

 

[wolfmat]

Evil of masses? Evil people exists at all levels but power corrupts. That's what history shows us.

Sure, power corrupts, but that's _after_ power has been obtained, and that through masses who subscribe (to some extent) what the corrupted has to offer. At least since we got out of the Dark Ages.

 

[Mael]

You have a far sexier language than English at hand. Use it.

Bonus points for bi-lingual wordplay.

Too late, I kinda suck at Bilingual jokes anyway

 

[NovemberMike]

I always find it quite peculiar that people make the argument that life isn't fair when talking about communism.

The impression I get from the argument is that it does not make sense to make everyone's lives fair, since life isn't fair to begin with. But if that's the case, communism is just a bunch of people unfairly fucking over the rich and wealthy. Why should unfairness to the poor have greater value than unfairness to the rich?

Communism doesn't tend to be unfair to the rich, it tends to be a regime change. Power goes from being economically to ideologically based. The victims of the holodomer weren't rich and neither are a lot of the political dissidents in Cuba.