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[Warablo]

Are people reading this wrong or am I? 512 mb RAM was planned for the OS when they only had 4 GB of RAM. Not 512 mb for games.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Disaster system like the Xbox One.

PC upgrade is confirmed by this news, I'll probably pick one up for Gran Turismo World in 2015.

 

[XeNoN89]

Something doesn't seem right about this. There's no way they could have an OS using this much resources when the upgrade to 8GB of ram was done at the very last minute before the PS4 announcement.

 

[hwalker84]

So MS not looking that bad all of a sudden..

The tide is turning...

It's not. No matter what Microsoft does its viewed as a negative.

 

[Mr Swine]

Probably needs alot of ram to do multitasking + recording while playing so it can buffer it to the HDD

 

[Astral/H3X]

One thing I see happening here is it seems people are saying the OS, meaning the full suite of software, with live recording/streaming, chat, etc etc takes 3.5 gbs, and then asking why the fuck an OS could take that much, asking like we are just talking about the kernel aspect.
Just because a program is built for ps4 doesnt mean its memory free, and that goes double for the gaikai implementation.

 

[Bgamer90]

Not surprised at all.

 

[la flama blanca]

If it's true, the developers still have a lot of fucking ram to work with.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Couldn't they just unlock more RAM for developers later down the road? #queriesofadumbass

 

[quickwhips]

4.5 GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3 yeah sony still has advantage I don't know why anyone i worked up.

 

[Stoof]

I can't believe the "Games only had 0.5 GBs of teh RAMs??" is still getting spread around.

 

[Raymo]

Sony - we'll give you 3.5 gbs out of 4.

Devs - we really want 8

Sony - sure, we'll put in 8. You can use 4.5 now.

That just doesn't add up.

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Can someone explain how this makes any sense?

 

[Ty4on]

so..uhh...good thing they doubled the amount of ram, otherwise we'd be looking at a console with 0.5 GB of ram for games and 3,5 GB for OS !!!!

I was thinking the same thing

What the hell are they doing in the OS that needs 3+ GB RAM? Is it mostly related to recording gameplay?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This seems pretty backwards... there are a dozen reasons why Sony might do it, and I can't say I like any of them.

I hope it isn't true.

Name some. It's obvious that PS4 is built for multitasking. Like Vita and something like a PC. 5.5gb of memory will be more than enough for what devs need initially.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

The power difference never was about the ram. In fact wasn't it shown they were pretty close to each other bandwidth wise.

No, the PS4 has and had much more bandwidth because of GDDR5.

 

[MercuryLS]

This does indeed kinda suck, but if Sony want to go toe to toe with MS on multitasking features, they really have no choice. It would be cool to be able to bounce around games and apps seamlessly. They can always reduce the OS footprint over time, I hope they do.

 

[statham]

It syas it can access 5.5, how do people keep getting 8 - 5.5 = 3.5 for the OS?

4.5 and they can borrow 1gb from the OS

 

[daveo42]

wow what

Really? Like really really? This is getting into troll territory now.

 

[Nirolak]

On the plus side it looks like my next GPU should have no issues with memory ever...

 

[TheBioLover]

Disaster system like the Xbox One.

PC upgrade is confirmed by this news, I'll probably pick one up for Gran Turismo World in 2015.

Lol, I can't tell if these posts are serious or not.

 

[Odrion]

wow what

PS4's OS is literally second life.

 

[Harp]

This would make a lot of sense coming off what Vita is dong in allocating resources for OS. Doesn't it use 512MB for game use and a separate 256mb for OS?

This would tie well into the up to 5.5 initially being available. I think this will shrink over time.

The multitasking on Vita is pretty fast for a dedicated handheld so if anything, this bodes well for the much more powerful PS4.

The Vita has 512 of main memory and 256 of video memory. It multitasks similar to a cell phone using suspended states. When you press the home button while running a game it reduces its memory footprint. This happens very fast as it should when you dont have to worry about accessing data from a disk drive.

Regardless of how much memory is being used at launch it will be reduced overtime. The ps4 and the xbox one are running basicly cell phone apps when it comes to media. Cant see how the memory imprint would be any larger then it is on a cell phone at most 200 megs

 

[KennyLinder]

Couldn't they just unlock more RAM for developers later down the road? #queriesofadumbass

Yes, they did this several times with PS3. The original on-screen keyboard for PS3 took 32mb!

 

[Lambda Pie]

if i'm reading correctly, old 4GB kits had 512MB allocated for OS.

updates comes, kits up to 8GB but allocated memory for OS goes from 512MB to 3.5GB.

what could possibly justify such jump?

 

[calder]

I don't really care if the OS has less features or takes a few extra seconds to load. There's nothing they're going to add to it that makes it worth taking up that much space. You don't go around screaming "games, games, games" and then allocate nearly half of your RAM to your OS.

Total agreement.

Just a very odd thing, with the usual "if true" caveat being more important than usual based on the sheer oddness of this report. It just seems strange to use *so much* RAM for the OS after spending so much money on the extra, faster RAM.

I sorta thought the OS would end up taking like 2G myself, based on idle speculation and nothing else. For it to actually be 3.5 gigs out of 8 is just baffling.

 

[Wynnebeck]

no wonder PS4 is stuck with 30fps games

Hey Pa! We got another one! Also where the hell are people getting 3.5GB from? Something about this isn't adding up.

 

[harSon]

It was never an issue when Microsoft announced it, and it's not an issue now IMO. As long as they use it effectively to craft a cohesive content rich OS experience.

 

[spwolf]

Wasting DDR3 is not the same as wasting GDDR5, dissapointed that Sony did not focused those resources for games. This seems out of line from what they were placing the PS4 to be.

I'm tempted to switch now..

it also records only 7 minutes of gameplay... better switch right now!

 

[Minigo]

time to choose, 7GB for games and a slow-ass stuttering interface or 4.5GB for games and a fast, responsive always snappy interface.

 

[quickwhips]

For People going crazy here is how it probably was we have 4GB of GDDR5 with .5-1GB reserved for os. So that left you with 3.5 or 3 GBs. Sony finds it cheaper to upgrade to 8 so now they are like we can give devs 1-.15 more GB and still have a killer OS.

.5 game people crazy.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

Booooooooo. They need to let them have more. Shrink that os.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Yes, they did this several times with PS3. The original on-screen keyboard for PS3 took 32mb!

Well then, I see no huge problem with this.

...although I really hope that PS Home thing isn't true, lmao

 

[SEGAvangelist]

If it's true, the developers still have a lot of fucking ram to work with.

Exactly. This move just helps to future proof the console for non-gaming related functions.

 

[sangreal]

It syas it can access 5.5, how do people keep getting 8 - 5.5 = 3.5 for the OS?

because it actually says 4.5 under normal conditions

 

[Hydrargyrus]

So

- Xbox One: 8GB DDR3 - 3 for three OS and 5 for games
- PS4: 8GB GDDR5 - 3'5 for one OS and 4'5 for games

What the hell is going on whith Sony??

 

[Salaadin]

Damn. WHy does the OS need so much?
I hope its at least capable because of it.


So this is Eurogamers thing from last night? Werent they waiting for Sony to comment? Did they not get that comment yet?

Also, when the PS4 was only going to have 4GBs of RAM, doesnt that mean that games would only be able to access 512MB? That seems very low. Practically unbelievable.

 

[Odrion]

On the plus side it looks like my next GPU should have no issues with memory ever...

Hey, you're right! My PC gets to stay relevant.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

"gameranx" (lol) is also running with it: http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/...lopers-have-access-to-5-5-gb-of-ram---report/

 

[Jack cw]

what could possibly justify such jump?

3.5 OSs now or Eurogamer pulling tales out of their asses.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I bet this is exactly the reason for this.

Microsoft's RAM is relatively very inexpensive. Adding 4GB of GDDR5 and then reserving 2-3GB of that for OS function isn't prudent, it seems incredibly excessively wasteful.

 

[glenn8]

Who gives a fuck how good the OS is? Jesus christ with 3.5 Gigs of RAM reserved for the OS I should be able to alt tab out of a game, open Chrome wiht approximately 200 tabs, have skype call where I'm hosting 5 people, AND be rocking linux in VM. I'm betting this console OS won't be able to do that, so why the fuck does it need 3.5 gigs of RAM?

3 Games running in the background, Firefox has 500 tabs open, with each streaming 4k movies, skype is communicating with skynet via video chat and im running this all on a windows 7 with a VM running Windows 7 running minecraft.

Still have 11gb from 12gb left.

Maybe they took the Windows 8 route, we all know windows 8 is pure evil

 

[Neuromancer]

Maybe they could put out an N64 style Expansion Pak down the road.

 

[Can Crusher]

It was never an issue when Microsoft announced it, and it's not an issue now IMO. As long as they use it effectively to craft a cohesive content rich OS experience.

Yes because what matters is to have a PC in your living room. This multi tasking bs is seriously going to extremes.

 

[chubigans]

Really? Like really really? This is getting into troll territory now.

le fake

This is very odd news if true. Should be easy enough to prove/disprove at least if a dev wants to comment on it.

 

[PhatSaqs]

lol at reactions.

 

[Jarmel]

Is there an issue with math somewhere? I'm seeing the title as 5.5 and the article is 4.5.

 

[The Wraith]

I'm going to be honest. I'm already getting a Battlefield 4 game on this console that is going to have 64 player multiplayer and runs at 1080p and targeted at 60 frames/sec, that's all I wanted on my next gen system. I'm sure as time goes on the OS memory footprint will shrink just like it did last generation and it will be fine. If developers end up getting to use 6 gigs of ram for games that seems like plenty.

 

[Facundo_Lopez]

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Can someone explain how this makes any sense?

basically, before upgrading the RAM to 8Gb, the devs were only using .5Gb for their games? clearly, this article is a joke.

if Killzone:SF was using 3.5Gb of RAM before the upgrade, clearly the OS is not using much more than 1Gb of RAM.

 

[Espada]

Wow, that just confirms my PC upgrades for next year instead of a PS4. You have 8 gigs of memory to use and you blow 3.5 of it on a UI? Just how incompetent is Sony at OS design? Does anyone know how much full fledged operating systems like Windows reserve?

If you think about it, it also means Jonathan Blow was lying.

 

[cyberheater]

There is no way this is remotely true.