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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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BobTheFork
Member
ah, I can't read it at work, we need a title change.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Well that's not true at all. Way to blow it out of proportion. It takes up more memory than that.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Are you trolling this topic with stuff coming from nowhere because that would not be a good idea.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
lol it sounds off.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Am i missing something here? Why are people suddenly starting to take this article as a fact? At least wait for the official confirmation/statement from Cerny Computer Entertainment.
I am taking this with a grain of salt until we have confirmation. If such a huge amount was being used by the OS I feel like we would have gotten the info on it leaked out.
With that said, assuming this were true, I can imagine a scenario where Sony would do this. There are two important things to consider here. The first is that developers started building PS4 versions of games with only 3.5GB in mind, and second the amount of RAM dedicated to system operations is not set in stone. It is possible that Sony decided to overshoot the RAM allocation to the OS for launch. Doing this would ensure that their OS is running quickly and flawlessly without any unforeseen hiccups. It is likely that when they increased the amount of RAM in the system they decided to add in some multitasking features, but didn't have time to optimize the features RAM usage. While doing this wouldn't give developers much more RAM to work with, it would at least give them more than they were already targeting their launch games for, so their projects wouldn't be hurt in any way by the move.
If they did this then it is also likely that they mean for this to be the initial RAM allocation and plan on reducing it over time as they get real world data on how much their RAM their OS is using, and by making the OS more RAM efficient. It could be a move that makes sure they are able to provide an OS that gamers are happy with, as having too much RAM for the OS to use at launch is a hell of a lot better than having too little like the PS3 did. All doing this would mean for launch games is that they perform only a little better than XBone versions, instead of much better.
With that said, assuming this were true, I can imagine a scenario where Sony would do this. There are two important things to consider here. The first is that developers started building PS4 versions of games with only 3.5GB in mind, and second the amount of RAM dedicated to system operations is not set in stone. It is possible that Sony decided to overshoot the RAM allocation to the OS for launch. Doing this would ensure that their OS is running quickly and flawlessly without any unforeseen hiccups. It is likely that when they increased the amount of RAM in the system they decided to add in some multitasking features, but didn't have time to optimize the features RAM usage. While doing this wouldn't give developers much more RAM to work with, it would at least give them more than they were already targeting their launch games for, so their projects wouldn't be hurt in any way by the move.
If they did this then it is also likely that they mean for this to be the initial RAM allocation and plan on reducing it over time as they get real world data on how much their RAM their OS is using, and by making the OS more RAM efficient. It could be a move that makes sure they are able to provide an OS that gamers are happy with, as having too much RAM for the OS to use at launch is a hell of a lot better than having too little like the PS3 did. All doing this would mean for launch games is that they perform only a little better than XBone versions, instead of much better.
No sense of humor, eh?
Summary: It's 4.5 for games, but under certain conditions you can take another 1gb from the OS
Delusibeta
Banned
Source, now.
gaf tells me it was and is and will be an issue on Xbox One, however it's never an issue on PS4.
We've gone from 'troll article' to 'Eurogamer hacked' with some of this info. I don't know why anyone would believe any of this now.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Maybe, maybe not. But that's irrelevant, I wasn't commenting on the article's credibility, I was pointing out that people trying to "debunk" the article with that argument (which has happened again several times since I posted) are being very stupid.
This has to be trolling... Thats some inifinite cloud power bullshit...
Winterfang
Banned
Why are people losing their minds?
electricpirate
Member
It's not well detailed, but I assume it would work like this, it's a block of memory for non-essential OS functions. A developer can get permission from Sony to use that block in their games, presumably by turning off some elements in the operating system, but it seems like that RAM isn't reliable, and could be reclaimed by the OS at any time, so it's unlikely for any developer not part of Sony to rely on memory that can disappear at any time, and have to code/test for all those situations.
I feel that same way. We saw the (early) games and they look fine, so what's the problem?
Only the ones who constantly posted "8GBDDR5!!!!!!!!" in any thread that had anything to do with either the PS4 or the Xbox One seem to be getting their panties in a bunch.
Thank you! At least there are a couple of people with common sense posting in the thread.
Hari Seldon
Member
1GB of RAM is way more than enough for OS plus apps. People don't realize how much 3.5 or even 2.5 is. That is like running every app on the PS4 at once. There is no need to do that. This is a game console not a fucking app launcher.
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"its enough"
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Here's hoping Sony's clarification comes soon. This thread is a mess and a half already.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
That's not the point, the OS isn't bloated, this isn't about the OS at all. This is about reserved app space. How much they need depends on what they are using and what they intend to have available to apps. It is impossible to grow the reserved space later if needed, but easy to give it back when they decide they don't.
Developers are making the transition from a system with ~0.45GB available to ones with ~5GB. I don't think they are in pain. In a sense these systems are really 4 GB gaming consoles with RAM added for non-gaming.
Like the article says, as the OS and system matures, they will probably give back memory to developers like they did on the PS3.
Its funny because you and hundreds of others believed their bullshit this time around. They want the same thing MS does. They just wont come out and say it
If the OS is designed correctly it wouldn't stutter on 1GB of RAM.
This.
So you expect us to believe that Sony increased the footprint of their OS intentionally so that the games wouldn't be any better than the Xbox One's? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
4.5 for games 1 for Dev-work = 5.5
The OP should put (4.5 for games) in his title. Although you have something called "big..or was it large...mode"
You dont believe a random stranger, dont you?
quickwhips
Member
Even if it is or isn't does it really matter. GDDR5 4.5 vs DDR3 5 GDDR5 is faster and better.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Hey, I'm the jokiest jokester but if he wants to cop a permaban, thats the way to be going about it.
Wouldn't this mean that games would be designed with only the 4.5 avaiable? How could they anticipate how much the OS would need at any given time? I guess they could have the ability to force off OS features if they need the extra 1gb
Where are you reading this?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
To bring you down to earth, some of us are running off 4GB of system memory and 1GB of graphics memory on PC. Games look killer and OS functions are still fast with a good CPU.
Naughty God
Banned
If it's true, pre-order cancelled. I want a games machine, not something to run multiple instances of Netflix at the same time.
I thought Sony promised us a games machine?
It's Eurogamer, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
I thought Sony promised us a games machine?
It's Eurogamer, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
What meltdowns? All I see are people trolling and trying to find out what exactly is going on here because with the information we have, none of it is making a lick of sense.
backbreaker65
Banned
Cerny: System for developers
Adam: dev told us if you don't have 8GB of Ram you're dead.
Sony adds an additional 4GB of ram to equal 8GB's and
Gives devs 512mb of 4GBytes.
Turn the fucking thing into an app machine.
All that goodwill of its about games are out the window.
Adam: dev told us if you don't have 8GB of Ram you're dead.
Sony adds an additional 4GB of ram to equal 8GB's and
Gives devs 512mb of 4GBytes.
Turn the fucking thing into an app machine.
All that goodwill of its about games are out the window.
Vestal
Junior Member
Maybe they realized they would also like to compete with MS on the Apps front, and only way to do that is to provide the same sort of flexibility as MS..
Who knows.. We will obviously need clarification from Sony on this.
Skull Leader
Banned
Tempting fate, sirrah.
darkblade77
Member
I'm not in the camp that thinks that Sony needs to chase OS feature-parity with MS to stay in the game this coming gen. Sure, fundamentally useful stuff like cross-game voice chat would be nice, but IMO MS tends to chase a lot of bloat and I'd rather Sony not follow suit. I think they're capable of matching the features worth matching with a much smaller footprint.
And besides, isn't part of the reason why MS has such a large RAM partition reserved for the OS to begin with partially because of Kinect 2.0? So why does Sony need to try and match those numbers when the PS Eye isn't part of the default kit?