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[Wynnebeck]

lol Its true. Sony doesnt care about you anymore than Microsoft does

? What does this have anything to do with what is being discussed? You can take that console warz shit elsewhere.

 

[Oersted]

Maybe the games will be fun?

they need moaaar powar to be fun. Mooooaaaaaaar

 

[casablanca]

3,5 Gig sounds a lot.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

It was never an issue when Microsoft announced it, and it's not an issue now IMO. As long as they use it effectively to craft a cohesive content rich OS experience.

As people have said, MS has shown why they need that much. Kinect features, 32 person (or something like that) Skype chat, live tv overlay, 3 os's.

I feel that's why ps4 has gained so much momentum... we don't care about all if that and wanted a powerful GAMING system. With this news, if so many resources are devoted to the os, why not go with the company that has put the os as a priority and will probably do a better job at it.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Like I stated earlier its not that easy.. The OS itself probably doesn't use more than 1GB of that memory, most of the memory reserved is for external Apps. The further down the road they get the harder it is to take away memory from a reserved space, since Developers are counting on that memory for their apps.

Do they really need all apps to be loaded at once though? Seems silly. What kind of Apps are we actually looking at too?

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

Huh, 3.5 sounds rather...bloated.

 

[Portugeezer]

I have a hard time believing this. It just seems completely strange to go from 4GB with 512MB reserved for the OS to 8GB and 3.5GB reserved. I'm not taking is as fact until Sony comments.

I agree, but it is a bit strange that the OS reserve is the one thing we haven't been clear about since EVER!

We knew when it was 4GB they had 512MB reserved for the OS, but since the upgrade to 8GB's we haven't heard shit about this, just people speculating that they might reserve 1GB or 1.5GB's for the OS.

Admission by silence?

I hope not. It's a system for gamers right? It's a game developers dream right? 7GB's or go home.

 

[solarus]

Fantastic, too bad sony is complete ass at developing os compared to microsoft (they are a software company after all) i want extensive multitasking and a fledged out os feature wise. Hope sony's os matches xbone feature wise, but microsoft really led this gen in terms of features.

 

[ColonelColon]

Do we know if any of the CPU cores are reserved for non-game functions?

 

[KAL2006]

I am going to wait for confirmation. People saying this isn't a big deal, you do know having 4.5GB ram allocated to games to 6.5GB or ram is huge.

 

[User 228481]

"well-placed development sources"

Probably the same source that spread the 192GB/s eSRAM bullshit.

I don't buy it.

 

[Erasus]

Its the ammount Sony thinks they need.
That said it is a whole lot...

FreeBSD is really lean but they must have done a tonne of work on it

People, its not just the OS. Its needed for apps to run while you are playing a game, running several apps at once and to be able to suspend the game in RAM to do something else. Its probably also needed for the "play as you download" features

 

[Vestal]

Do they really need all apps to be loaded at once though? Seems silly. What kind of Apps are we actually looking at too?

Not loaded at once, but actually running in the background, recording video, voice chat, whatever they are coming up with.

 

[cebri.one]

This is nonsense, FreeBSD doesn't consume that many resources. And remember 7 months ago PS4 had only 4GB, i would say this is false.

 

[Zyae]

Your post history is gold. $400 won't happen eh?

Does that change anything I said? Nice argument. Time to eat some crow

 

[daveo42]

Could you explain why you post random stuff like this whithout a source?

Joke/troll posts to get a rise out of those who either haven't or can't read the article.

 

[i-Lo]

What I find really disappointing is how despite the upgrading the RAM by 100% Sony has still managed to fall behind xbone in sheer amount. And while GDDR5 will outclass DDR3 it is still a very surprising situation nonetheless.

How could Sony not have learned their lesson from the days of PS3 when it comes to footprint that they are now still trying to do the same with PS4 by sequestering anywhere from 31.25% to 43.75% of main memory. Deja vu.

Its funny because you and hundreds of others believed their bullshit this time around. They want the same thing MS does. They just wont come out and say it

And what bullshit would that be junior? We all knew that the OS was going to be around 1GB. Just not a whopping 2.5+1GB

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Leadbetter claimed that Microsoft pulled off a speed increase, GAF consensus says article indicated a downclock.

LOL! Yea no thanks, if yesterday should have taught us anything it is to not take articles like this at complete face value.

 

[Digital-Hero]

So if I stick a 3GB USB drive in, can I get my 3GB of RAM back? lol

 

[Winterfang]

Because "games, games, games" kinda goes out the window if this is true I guess?

I guess, but Sony would have to be an idiot to release a game only focus console in 2013, while Microsoft brings their advertising blitz about the One being basically the iPhone for TVs. Even the original PS3 had the, "it only does everything" tag line.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

Fridayton indeed. I'm not too concerned about any of this, but some of the reactions so far are hilarious.

 

[JawzPause]

Come on Sony make some sort of statement already.

 

[Baby Milo]

holy shit the source IS the Killzone slide

lol

LOL

i guess i'll just watch the fanboy wars now

 

[la flama blanca]

lol Its true. Sony doesnt care about you anymore than Microsoft does

What the fuck kind of stupid bullshit is this?

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

i cant believe this

wow what

Post a link to DF saying those things, admit that you're trolling, or get banned. The choice is yours.

 

[Gskyace]

Calm down.
Wait for Microsoft to catch on please.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

lol Its true. Sony doesnt care about you anymore than Microsoft does

You tell us, truthbringer.

Does that change anything I said? Nice argument. Time to eat some crow

Quoting for later.

 

[Yjynx]

The Witness using 5GB RAM so far

so this guy is lying?

 

[DietRob]

Admission by silence?

I hope not. It's a system for gamers right? It's a game developers dream right? 7GB's or go home.

They are supposedly going to make a statement if the other jump the shark thread is to be believed.

 

[darkwing]

3.5GB OS is fine, you can fit the PS1, PS2, PS3, Vita OSes, Home, Browser, PSEye


ahh crap, it won't still add up to 3.5GB

 

[awesomebro]

Gaf must be bored.lol. so much emotional investment into an electronic device.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

I am going to wait for confirmation. People saying this isn't a big deal, you do know having 4.5GB ram allocated to games to 6.5GB or ram is huge.

Yeah, alot of stuff about the PS4 has been wrong/overstated. I'll wait for some confirmation.

But man, the Schadenfreude rippled through the internet like a disturbance in the force.

 

[Vestal]

This is nonsense, FreeBSD doesn't consume that many resources. And remember 7 months ago PS4 had only 4GB, i would say this is false.

remember this is not about the OS, this is about all the crap that will be running along side it.. 15min Video recording, Voice chat, app switching.. etc etc

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Can games really be fun with only 5,5 GB DOUBLE DRAGON 5 RAM ??? I for one am deeply concerned.

 

[androvsky]

Reminds me of this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586756

For Adam personally, his “favorite moment was getting to announce to the whole developer community that we had double the RAM to 8GB of GDDR5,” because they did originally have 4GB of GDDR5 on the system.

Recounting the story of how they went from 4GB to 8GB, Adam was actually at Gearbox (Borderlands), with Randy Pitchford, President of Gearbox, telling him, “If you go with 4GB of GDDR5, you are done.” Following that statement, Boyes says that the entire room of about 30 people added in that “you guys, you never listen, you’ve never been good at this stuff.”

After hearing this, Adam says he had a mini-breakdown, and it wasn’t until he reflected on this and asked himself the question, “Are we going to be the best console in every single category?” before things started moving, because “the answer used to be no.”

So, Adam went back to the developers about the possibility of doing 8GB of RAM, getting responses like “that would be incredible.” He then took all the feedback to Tokyo, got the thumbs up, and the rest is history.

Somebody is definitely full of shit, either DF or Sony. There's no way they went through all of that for faster app switching and running more apps in the background and leaving the game devs pretty much where they were before.

Hell, the Vita OS handles pretty decent mutlitasking with ~100 MB reserved.

 

[a secret-boss]

3 gigs for the os...what a waste

sounds like bloatware

well that video sharing gotta cost something

 

[solarus]

Post a link to DF saying those things, admit that you're trolling, or get banned. The choice is yours.

Come on man it's obvious to anyone he is just joking.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Why would Sony go for 3.5 GB reserved RAM when Xbox has 3GB RAM? Why even more? And why upgrade to 8GB when most of this upgrade will be spent on the OS? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Oh, and meanwhile on the DF twitter channel:

INFINITE RAM!! Instead of simply making a tweet that Microsoft said the goal is to not have a limit for indie devs, they retweet this. Smh.

 

[R3TRO]

Post a link to DF saying those things, admit that you're trolling, or get banned. The choice is yours.

Oh damn lol

 

[giancarlo123x]

Day 2 of crazy post incoming. lol

 

[Trogdor1123]

Not loaded at once, but actually running in the background, recording video, voice chat, whatever they are coming up with.

Seems like a bunch of memory for very basic functions.

I guess we should wait for Sony to speak though. Some clarity would be nice.

 

[Naughty God]

Looking at the facts so far, it looks like more Eurogamer bullshit.

 

[Mokubba]

Could you explain why you post random stuff like this whithout a source?

Thought it was just me. I had to re-read the article.

Guess he doesn't like his account

 

[LastChance2Frag]

In the other thread didn't it say that Sony wanted to clear something up with them before they posted the article. Or am I confused. Really strange if this is all just a inside source speculation special.

 

[harSon]

Someone brought up a good point in the other thread. This can potentially be Sony future proofing their console. They were caught with their pants down last generation, and due to a lack of foresight, were unable to really change their OS through out the entirety of the generation. This is especially important considering the planned length of these generations, and as the past two generations have shown, the industry can change quite a bit over that duration so it's important to set aside enough system specs to make those necessary changes if needed.

 

[DigitalDevilSummoner]

That was never going to happen, even before this news.

Compared to how the "unfriendly" PS3 has faired up to its 7th year, it is reasonable to expect the PS4 to do better in the same time.

I'd rather have ram reserved for futureproofness than APPs

 

[MaGlock]

I thought this story was delayed a day so sony could make official comments, where they at?

 

[Boss Man]

Wow, I'm sure as hell glad they did up it to 8GB.

Were they gonna leave 1-2GB for games?

 

[dugdug]

How has a dev not talked about this yet? Considering this thing is most likely out in just a few months, someone has to have known about this already, if it's legit.

Would something like this be under NDA?

 

[shinra-bansho]

They did increase the available amount to developers by a huge margin, matching what Ms was giving to xbox one developers, and at the same time allowed then to be well positioned to fight Ms on the non games field.

I'd say, even as it is the ram upgrade was justified. Otherwise they would have a system with less ram available for games that couldn't match the non gaming features of the competition.

I think ymmv on the huge margin increase in game RAM.

If we go with the low end figure that doesn't require "some work" to achieve, one is led to believe that Sony is incurring an additional ~$45 per unit in materials to increase:

• Game RAM from 3.5GB to 4.5GB
• System OS RAM from 0.5GB to 3.5GB

With likely up to 3GB of that OS RAM allocation sitting unused at launch.

That's millions upon millions of dollars to future proof the system's OS reserves and give a relatively minor 1GB boost to the game side.