Damn, gamers hold grudges...
I can't believe you guys are still talking about this.
I honestly can't believe that some people can't believe that other people are still talking about this.
Damn, gamers hold grudges...
I can't believe you guys are still talking about this.
Let's get this started again and try to get some information for the PC version of Dark Souls II!
Damn, gamers hold grudges...
I can't believe you guys are still talking about this.
Man, this thing I purchased doesn't look as advertised! I'm gonna be mad as hell about it!
This literally happens in all marketing. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it's kinda shady. No, nobody owes anyone an explanation. I support anyone that's outraged enough by this to not pay for the product. It's the only way they'll actually care, so good on you.
I guess neither of us are following NeoGAF's tag line!I honestly can't believe that some people can't believe that other people are still talking about this.
Watch it... thread whining is a ban offense.
I don't have a card in this game until the PC version comes out though.
You seem like a very uninformed gentleman. Or gentlewoman. Either way, you should understand that there is such a thing as false advertising, and that is a punishable offense by the court of law. I am sure none of us will build a lawsuit out of this, but I always put consumer rights first.
Gosh. I never heard about this (at least, not in details). Didn't know it went to court. Thank you very much for this info!
That's it, shift the blame on Namco.
Do you really think they will be willing to do it? especially after what we got from them today?
They'll hide that version as long as they can and after releasing it on steam they'll just act as if they don't care.
Lawyers taking up a class action suit doesn't mean anything actually 'went to court' mind. Also, Colonial Marines' ship state is not comparable to Dark Souls II as far as what was shown, what was known, and what shipped.
That'd work if they didn't show footage, and screenshots which were representative of the retail version of the game. Which they have done since late December, early January at least.
Look at any of the videos of gameplay on the Forest of Fallen Giants. It's EXACTLY like the retail version of the game. All of this argument hinges on heresay that the TGS was using PS3 hardware. Because of that the whole argument is flawed, as I see it, since it's cherry-picking which evidence to use. Footage that's almost a year old at this point (TGS), or more recent footage (Press Preview B-Roll Footage).
Thanks, I didn't know about this. Glad to see it happened.There is a legal precedent. It happened to Alien:CM.
It's a good idea, but I'm expecting the worst.Let's get this started again and try to get some information for the PC version of Dark Souls II!
Either retweet this, or create your own. Publishers thrive on our ignorance, lets team up to try to shed some light on this upcoming release.
https://twitter.com/Grief_exe/status/446344154788806656
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If you are not aware, the PC Trailer shown at TGS has the exact same textures/geometry as the retail console build, but amazing lighting and graphical effects not present. There are some minor geometry differences between the two versions, but the majority of assets are the exact same.
Some screenshots from this area would give us some definitive information to work with.
I was one of those people as well, but that was only my disbelief that things could actually look that bad.You're completely right about this, but I also remember that some people defended it saying "From can't take screenshots" (which is true, the game still looks better than those awful shots), and pointing out that actual gameplay videos looked much better, so even though there was evidence, it wasn't clear enough.
I was one of those people as well, but that was only my disbelief that things could actually look that bad.
But my personal expectations do not bear relevance to what a developer actually puts out. In this case, the fact that I expected better doesn't mean that them not delivering better was misleading or 'lying' on their part. That's on me. I was given direct evidence that the game wasn't going to be pretty and I dismissed it and ignored it.
Its true that the demo is of obvious higher quality. That's misleading. Its not lying at all, but its misleading because they obviously couldn't deliver on that for the whole game. I don't think that's because they were *trying* to be misleading, but because they technically couldn't do what they were trying to do.
Personally, I think that since Microsoft's reveal of the Xbox One, people have gone crazy over 'consumer rights', at the complete expense of basic respect, understanding and appreciation for developers and publishers who actually make these games for us.
The beta was different too. I just did that area last night and it's a pretty staggering change.
Bets looks identical to me
Gonna need to see some comparisons
I guess neither of us are following NeoGAF's tag line!
I was one of those people as well, but that was only my disbelief that things could actually look that bad.
But my personal expectations do not bear relevance to what a developer actually puts out. In this case, the fact that I expected better doesn't mean that them not delivering better was misleading or 'lying' on their part. That's on me. I was given direct evidence that the game wasn't going to be pretty and I dismissed it and ignored it.
Its true that the demo is of obvious higher quality. That's misleading. Its not lying at all, but its misleading because they obviously couldn't deliver on that for the whole game. I don't think that's because they were *trying* to be misleading, but because they technically couldn't do what they were trying to do.
Personally, I think that since Microsoft's reveal of the Xbox One, people have gone crazy over 'consumer rights', at the complete expense of basic respect, understanding and appreciation for developers and publishers who actually make these games for us.
(They don't make these games for us. They make them for MONEY.)
Surprisingly accurate avatar.First of all, we have like 5-6 threads about this very subject already, no need to create another one.
Second, the positives of the game outweight the negatives of it. I listed the negatives both in the beta test and in my impressions of the full game.
Downside of consumer rights craze: people who get paid to make things have their feelings hurt
Upside of consumer rights craze: consumer rights
(They don't make these games for us. They make them for MONEY.)
I don't think I'm the one whining. You guys can have your thread, that's awesome, that's what GAF is for. I'm just allowed to think its crazy.
What answer would have satisfied people in this thread?
Companies go bankrupt and can't make the games you like anymore because of bullshit lawsuit.
And now you can play a downgraded game AND play at 20fps!
Uh, no. Downside: Companies go bankrupt and can't make the games you like anymore because of bullshit lawsuit or companies stop giving you any information/media about their games before release.
Not that I think there is any chance of the former happening. The real downside is the latter: companies going "Fuck this, you won't see our game until it's done." Because demanding detailed accounts of a game's development and the features that are added or taken away from various builds is not worth that kind of hassle. It's better if they simply don't show you guys anything except CG cinematics and mock up bullshit clearly labeled "not representative of final gameplay." Because apparently a lot of people aren't adult enough to accept that there are different versions of a game that differ drastically and that particular builds during development may differ greatly from the final game.
This is exactly the reason developers keep stuff close to their chest and don't show their games. This kind of bullshit.
I was one of those people as well, but that was only my disbelief that things could actually look that bad.
But my personal expectations do not bear relevance to what a developer actually puts out. In this case, the fact that I expected better doesn't mean that them not delivering better was misleading or 'lying' on their part. That's on me. I was given direct evidence that the game wasn't going to be pretty and I dismissed it and ignored it.
Its true that the demo is of obvious higher quality. That's misleading. Its not lying at all, but its misleading because they obviously couldn't deliver on that for the whole game. I don't think that's because they were *trying* to be misleading, but because they technically couldn't do what they were trying to do.
Personally, I think that since Microsoft's reveal of the Xbox One, people have gone crazy over 'consumer rights', at the complete expense of basic respect, understanding and appreciation for developers and publishers who actually make these games for us.
What answer would have satisfied people in this thread?
Look at these two vids from Jan 29-30th 2014
Playstation Access
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MdOBH-jDc
IGN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNlPl6Cfe7c
One of these is clearly retail review copy. One is clearly the damn TGS build or something
Both claimed to be console.
Someone dropped the ball somewhere
This. FROM desperately needs to hire new programmers. They have good art direction and put together interesting pieces but the engine is always dogshit.
If the PC version also suffers from those downgrades, it doesn't really make sense.
So to any industry insiders. Who handles PR? Who hands out the stock footage that is used by websites and thrown over interviews. Who handles hands on gameplay previews?
Who would ultimately be to blame for advertising with old footage? From or Namco?
Should we be excited for PC or not?
Standart PR non-response.
At least they're aware of it. What interests me is what FROM really thinks about this downgrade thing behind the scenes. Do they regret it to some degree? Do they aknowledge they did things wrong? Or do they really not care?
I liked how FROM apologized repeadetly for the sub-par Blighttown performance and how they would tell us in advance that the PC port of their first game was going to be pretty bare-bones.
This. FROM desperately needs to hire new programmers. They have good art direction and put together interesting pieces but the engine is always dogshit.
Standart PR non-response.
At least they're aware of it. What interests me is what FROM really thinks about this downgrade thing behind the scenes. Do they regret it to some degree? Do they aknowledge they did things wrong? Or do they really not care?
I liked how FROM apologized repeadetly for the sub-par Blighttown performance and how they would tell us in advance that the PC port of their first game was going to be pretty bare-bones.
But this response here doesn't seem like them. Or I just misjudged them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z2OVha_hno
Launch Trailer appears to show footage from all 3 versions. WTF
Should we be excited for PC or not?