From Software responds to Dark Souls II graphics downgrade concerns
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Psycho_Mantis
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For those who are defending the animations in this game,just look at how ridiculous looks the enemy's run:
How could anyone say that the animations look the same as they did in Demon's or Dark is beyond me.
Yup saw that in the ENB vid. Laughed my ass off!
More like its looks stupid and nothing like a samurai sprint.
Momma?
Anyways most enemies don't even sprint they just walk very very fast. So yes that sprinting enemy is suppose to look like that.
Have you even played the game? Curious, because the way you phrase your posts it sounds like you have not.
Coming from someone who has played the game, yes the graphics arent as good. But does that diminish from the fun of the game? Hell no. Like it was said earlier, once you start playing, the saltiness from this downgrade fades quite quickly. Youre too busy getting your ass kicked to worry about textures.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Its crazy people actually think that looks like a samurai sprint. I will list everything wrong with that animation:
1) when samurai sprint they usually lower their backs
2) The acceleration of the sprint is just wrong. Out of nowhere he just suddenly speeds up, compare it to the black knights in Anor Londo who accelerate normally.
3) His hands are stiff making the run animation look even more stupid
4) Why does he run straight and then turn towards the player instead of just running at the player. Can he only run in 8 directions lol
Lastly I've seen his attack animations and the guys with lightning on their weapon have horribly bad animations. After this one attack they always put their sword back in their sheath even when the player is right infront of them. Like seriously?
All in all stop needlessly defending FROM.
1) when samurai sprint they usually lower their backs
2) The acceleration of the sprint is just wrong. Out of nowhere he just suddenly speeds up, compare it to the black knights in Anor Londo who accelerate normally.
3) His hands are stiff making the run animation look even more stupid
4) Why does he run straight and then turn towards the player instead of just running at the player. Can he only run in 8 directions lol
Lastly I've seen his attack animations and the guys with lightning on their weapon have horribly bad animations. After this one attack they always put their sword back in their sheath even when the player is right infront of them. Like seriously?
All in all stop needlessly defending FROM.
sublimit
Banned
You sir win the Golden Award of Excuses.Bravo.
Just curious what do you have to say about the character's sliding feet animations which are very obvious especially when strafing?Is this because the grounds and floors of DS2 world are covered by some invisible ancient mystical ice?
UnrealEck
Member
Are you being serious or joking?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
the only thing thats a joke is your reply. If you disagree with something please elaborate.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
It's a iaido thing. Read the blacksteel katana, it mentions the quick-draw technique. If you know anything about iaido it makes sense. It's a deliberate style choice. You might not like it or whatever but this has nothing to do with technical stuff, FFS. And it really does seem like the silliest thing to nitpick about ever.
You sir win the Golden Award of Excuses.Bravo.
Just curious what do you have to say about the character's sliding feet animations which are very obvious especially when strafing?Is this because the grounds and floors of DS2 world are covered by some invisible ancient mystical ice?
Sure buddy, just dismiss the fact that this is actually why that particular character runs this way.
Even as a melee, you should have a bow for pulling
Bah, running in with my shield up does the job enough! Screw that bow crap.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Say that when you reach Shrine of Amana. It's impossible to block attacks coming from three directions at once. I ended up resorting to throwing knives.
I wouldn't say lazy, but I've had a lot of issues with this game that scream either incompetence or that the game was severely rushed. I've been having problems that I typically only see in Bethesda games.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I know what iaido is by common sense dictates you don't put away your katana whilst the enemy is right in your face attacking you. Of course its deliberate its not like that animation was made accidentally. Still doesn't change how stupid it is.
This is just one example. Point is the animation is just not up to par with Dark Souls or Demons Souls.
No.
sublimit
Banned
It's not about the sprint itself it's about how ridiculous the sprint animation looks.
UnrealEck
Member
You're wrong. My reply wasn't a joke. I was genuinely curious as to whether or not you were being serious. There was nothing to elaborate on. It was a straight forward question.
Orthogonal
Member
I've heard several people talk about sliding in the game. I don't see it or maybe I just don't know what to look for.
sublimit
Banned
It's more obvious when you're strafing around enemies.Afteryou watch that just look how strafing looks in DS1.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Slideyness is basically when animations are at odds with the realism of what they're portraying. A run cycle, for instance, that has the model covering more ground than the amount of times the legs and feet are pushing momentum forward will evoke "slideyness".
The above enemy running is just such an example, and I've seen other stuff from the game where the animations are just not as tightly cued as in the previous games.
I asked in another thread, but a comparison of just who wasn't working on DaS 2 but was present for DeS and DaS 1 other than Miyazaki would be some interesting reading. Obviously he's got some of his peeps working with him, and it would seem to be the 'attention to detail' chaps that made those games a little more polished.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Its a different team. Notable roles are missing not just Miyazaki.
Miyazaki supervised Dark Souls 2 and did some stuff with the networking portions of the game. There is a list floating around but I can't find it.
sublimit
Banned
In the Dark Souls vs Dark Souls 2 thread me and another guy confirmed that with the exception of a few programmers (16 people i think) everyone else from Dark 1 were absent in DS2.Different artists,different animators,different game designers.
It's as if Miyazaki took the whole team of Dark with him to whatever he is working on now.
For those who are defending the animations in this game,just look at how ridiculous looks the enemy's run:
How could anyone say that the animations look the same as they did in Demon's or Dark is beyond me.
These samurais have sort of a stylized "ninja run fast" type run. It's like that by design. I had no problem with it.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Well... there we go then. Something to be excited for in the future!!
Demon souls 2...Believe!
Well even if the PC version is only 60fps with higher res and textures, I wouldn't be that disappointed.
Haunted
Member
I know what a fast ninja run is supposed to look like, and that's not it.
Here's hoping From fixes this in time for the PC release. These kind of updates are what the month of delay was about, right?
right guys?
I think it is just a tracking bug. The animation looks fine when you stand directly in front the the alonne knights and the plunge you with the katana.
test_account
XP-39C²
Just out of curiousity, why is there a more significant discussion about some smaller issues with some animations in the game? To me, it almost indicates that Dark Souls 2 is suppose to be a technical marvel, which wasnt exactly the case with either Demon's Souls or Dark Souls, so i'm just curious why this changed with Dark Souls 2.
CountAntonius
Member
Because From showed early footage they couldn't hit in retail and Namco used new and old builds for previews up until release.
It's drummed up a ton of negativity and anger and since a lot of us on PC haven't played the game we have nothing to do but speculate and worry.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
People are nitpicking about every fucking thing in this game.
That's the enemies specific animations, he is supposed to shuffle fast & mimic a samurai.
CountAntonius
Member
I've seriously never seen a game that's generally accepted as great get so much negative backlash and "pre order canceled" type stuff thrown at it. I could understand if the game was a massive letdown piece of shit but that doesn't seem to be the case in any way. I understand the anger at the confusion with the visuals but yeah this has a lot more vitrol thrown at it then I would have imagined.
test_account
XP-39C²
I see. Is there any reason to worry about it though? I mean, i love good graphics and animation, but havnt people who worry about this played Demons's Souls and/or Dark Souls? If they have, they know what Dark Souls 2 would be like too.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Looks like the person set the in game gamma to max.
Sad people are not getting banned for cherry picking shots to make the game look worse than it really is.
CountAntonius
Member
I'm not worried personally and think I should abandon this thread before the negativity starts geting to me. I just want it to run smooth and look clean out of the box.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
I can pinpoint all of that to a certain crowd, but someone spoke up against them & he was banned in seconds in the other thread. So yeah...
You mean the guy who called everyone who disagreed with him "graphics whores"? Yeah, such injustice.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Backseat modding like the above will send you on your merry way too. You can stow the gamma stuff after you were proven comprehensively wrong across like three threads the other week. I know it stings, but take it on the chin like a champ yeah.
I get that this series is a sacred cow to a lot of you, I would say it was/is to me too, but finding out this was pretty much an entirely different dev team cloning and trying their best to replicate what the team before them had created makes a whooooooooole lot of sense now as to why stuff feels off.
The people matter.
Haunted
Member
It all stems from that marketing bait and switch and the last minute downgrade. If that hadn't happened, you wouldn't be hearing nearly as much negativity. But now it's too late. The game's under very close scrutiny now and that won't change until release day. In this situation, flaws will get noticed and magnified by the discussion.
A discussion, I might add, that is also fuelled by the fact that there are a ton of people (on GAF and elsewhere on the internet) that are just devouring every bit of info, screenshot and video they can get their hands on as they wait on their version to release. A simultaneous release would've defused this as well, but that one month delay to the PC version has come back to bite them in the ass.
Either way, things will calm down after April 25th as the mod community rolls up its sleeves to help make this game as great as it can be.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Meh. It's their loss at the end of the day. Keep in mind that I'm still of the mind that Dark Souls is the better game (not just graphically, but overall) although I stopped at the very tipping point in DS2: opening up Shaded Woods and reaching area after area in succession where you finally feel the game get its familiar hooks into you. That was, for me, the down-the-rabbit hole moment. If the endgame gets even better as many have said...
Orthogonal
Member
Interesting, I kind of see it now. I wonder what the source of this is considering previous Souls games didn't have it. Perhaps it's an oversight or a lack of attention to detail? Maybe it's a consequence of programming in the new engine? Or possibly they ran out of time to finish polishing details like this?
Is there a gameplay impact to something like this or is it just a visual inconsistency that can be distracting?
test_account
XP-39C²
If you have played any of the previous Souls games, i think that you will enjoy Dark Souls 2 as well
For me personally, the Souls games have never been about top notch graphics and animation, but about the exploration and the lore of the game. I feel that From Software did a great job with this in Dark Souls 2 as well. I played Dark Souls 2 (the PS3 version) for about 174 hours so far. So yeah, if you enjoyed any of the previous Souls game, try not to let the negative get to you. Hopefully you will enjoy Dark Souls 2 as well I think the PC version will run smooth and look good, not worse than what Dark Souls 1 on PC did at least, but we'll see.luckygodzilla
Member
Yeah well welcome to gaf.
The amount of cherry picking in this thread is ridiculous, I mean we've gone from the valid complaints of the graphical downgrades to singling out a single running animation in a game with literally dozens of enemies and using that as an excuse that all animations in the game are terrible.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
I took a quick grab of that same area from a random yourube walkthrough & compared it to the one posted.
I checked other video to make sure they all look the same as the bottom pic.
Are you telling me the person who made the video for the above pic didn't intentionally try to make the game look worse?
JRW also found the correct color range setting on the 360 (intermediate). I haven't seen any one refute that.
That's the only area of the game I've seen that has disappointingly bad graphics so far. I'm about 3/4 through. Of course I care more about gameplay, so I'm not making an effort to find all the flaws.
The unfortunate thing is that the crazies are going to end up getting the legitimate issue swept away as well.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
It's not just a single animation. I've seen issues with at least a fifth or so of the enemies, but that is more forgivable than the brain dead AI in this game. Somehow the enemies have gotten better at pathing to the character, but when it comes to avoiding pits or backing away to their initial position, I don't think I've ever seen worse. At least half of the time when an enemy tries to return to their original location they end up backing off a ledge or getting caught on a wall or something. This doesn't just happen with the mooks though, I've had bosses get stuck on walls and once I had one path themselves off a ledge without me baiting it.
I'm still loving the game (I have over 70 hours played), but it's nowhere near perfect and could've used at the very least another half year in the oven.
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