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FRONTLINE presents 'Secret State of North Korea' premiering Jan. 14, 2014 on PBS.
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Thanks. I was browsing through Amazon for what to read next. I'll give this a look
Civil rebellion you mean?
SniperHunter
Banned
Watching now...
holy shit!
how did these fools get nukes again?
holy shit!
how did these fools get nukes again?
Not necessarily. The military holds a huge part of the power in North Korea. Some believe Kim Jong-uns uncle took on the military, deprived them of the lucrative mining business (which they allegedly controlling) and in turn was killed for it. Supposedly, there's still a big struggle going on between the "liberal" (for NK circumstances) wing which Kim Jong-un and his uncle are/were a part of and the mostly conservative military. Others believe, Jong-un had his uncle killed to strengthen his position against the military.
So, a military coup is not out of the question. However, if one happens, it remains to be seen what good it'll do for the North Koreans.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
This was pretty interesting, but nothing really new if you've been following North Korea for a while. I liked some of the insider video footage and the segment with the guy smuggling pop culture into the country - and at least it wasn't another "guy visits NK and look how phony the tour is!" piece.
Man I really want something to happen w/ this country.
Man I really want something to happen w/ this country.
Finally! A reason to get Chrome
And it works! Thank you.I know, but specifically in relation to the documentary civil resistance seems to be on the increase.
BertramCooper
Banned
I can't imagine that a junta would have any sort of long-term success in controlling the populace. The Kims' pervasive cult of personality has played such a huge role in maintaining stability in spite of the country's constant state of poverty. I can't imagine a junta would be able to engender the same sort of blind devotion that the Kims were so successful at maintaining.
Propaganda piece?, this was also done before
It isnt "premiering". Its showing again due to buzz of nk.
NK probably isnt as crazy as we think, we never been there and people like Rodman go there all the time, clearly it isnt a hard to get in place.
Their culture its probably weird though
It isnt "premiering". Its showing again due to buzz of nk.
NK probably isnt as crazy as we think, we never been there and people like Rodman go there all the time, clearly it isnt a hard to get in place.
Their culture its probably weird though
Rumsfeld gave it to them, no lie in 2003
Thats the truth.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/05/12/342316/
BertramCooper
Banned
Yes it is.
whats weirdto you is normal to them, just like whats normal to you its weird to them
Watched this on Tuesday. Very good stuff from Frontline.
I see that Nothing to Envy and Escape From Camp 14, which are both excellent, have been mentioned here. If you want to read a pretty definitive history of modern Korea (up until 2005 or 2006) you should pick up Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader: North Korea and the Kim Dynasty by Bradley K. Martin. Another interesting book is The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters by B.R. Meyers.
Obviously, not too many books thus far that really cover much beyond the ascendancy of Kim Jong-un.
I see that Nothing to Envy and Escape From Camp 14, which are both excellent, have been mentioned here. If you want to read a pretty definitive history of modern Korea (up until 2005 or 2006) you should pick up Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader: North Korea and the Kim Dynasty by Bradley K. Martin. Another interesting book is The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters by B.R. Meyers.
Obviously, not too many books thus far that really cover much beyond the ascendancy of Kim Jong-un.
BertramCooper
Banned
Compelling argument you've got there, bud.
What Stalin did was normal to him so we must accept it, great logic
gutter_trash
Banned
watched the doc, my favorite part was when the lady who uses her truck to bus people for transportation telling off the guard ''where are your stars?''
there is a sliver of hope for NK people in the future, the problem is that is will be long
there is a sliver of hope for NK people in the future, the problem is that is will be long
No one said accept it, I am just saying dont stand in the greatest country on the history of humanity USA...judging the ways of people that were not born here.
They got their own culture and ways, weird and odd but thats who they are, what you want every country to be the same as the USA?
This is a planet of a bunch of different people, with different ways of thinking, why try to set a one world order set of thinking?. People always say USA is a free country....uh pretty sure EARTH is a free place firstly so anybody can do whatever they want, if is right or wrong that will be seen at the end.
Thats why Stalin, Hister and all these other regular humans dominated countries as dictators, people think they dont have free will to say no to them and are afraid of them lol, think about that humans afraid of other humans thats stupid, its another human not a monster cyborg alien.
Anyways NK is what it is and US cant change it, Americans cant judge these NK people either they wake up got jobs sleep eat go to school just like you, for some reason you think the entire country is a prison where people are getting murdered in the streets, that aint happening.
BertramCooper
Banned
You really don't know anything about North Korea, do you?
Does it matter? How about stop acting like NK needs to be Americanized or whatever you are dreaming of.
NK has its own ways and are not attacking USA, whats your problem with them?, they are living in a realm USA doesnt need to involved in.
USA is not the owners of Planet Earth, other countries can do whatever they want just like I told you.
Why are you all into propaganda saying NK is all evil and weird, while you live in a country full of crime and violence, for all you know USA its probably more dangerous who knows.
I am just saying is if USA has a problem with NK they would of erase them from the planet in seconds, BUT they dont and Thats why they dont go rescue the NK citiziens prisoners in camps or anything like that, USA doesnt care.
RustyNails
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You are thinking North Korean people and North Korean government are the same. No one is blaming the people. What is best for North Korean people is a government that is not ruled by the Kim dynasty.
Americanized? What? It's not about culture it's about these people having to accept the brutality of an evil regime. Having literally no say in what their future is or should be.
Most of the reactions or calling NK crazy is not directed toward the people but how the government manipulates the people.
They are the same people, the Kim Dynasty is allowed to live, whatever evils they done clearly it hasnt been so bad that the USA and a UN coalition says thats it lets go destroy them, we are in what their 3rd kim generation now?, should had stopped at the first...if it was so evil right?.
But the people accept it, if they dont stand up than wtf do you expect?, you seem to want the USA to save them and I am telling you USA will never do that. USA shows on PBS can show the bad sides of that regime, thats doing nothing and helping nobody.
You never been in NK, if you take what is propagandized about them as fact then thats messed up. All I see is a country ruled by a family and the majority supports them, if they didnt it would had never got to the 3rd gen of Kims.
They are a dictatorship yes and thats how they are, isnt China a dictstorship to?, how about Cuba? Are we going to have USA save all dictatorships and have them all be Americanized places?.
Listen EARTH is not own by USA so expect other countries to do whatever they want just like the USA became what it is today, the founders wanted it set up this way, last time I checked the founders didnt want Earth to be like the USA.
Somehow this is turning into an anti-US thing when in reality the issue most people have with NK is mostly related to its human rights violations. And to Joeki, without that suppression the Kims would never have made it to the 3rd generation. It's easy to say everyone supports them, when they kill or imprison or marginalize everyone who doesn't.
Who made the USA the saviors of Humanity?
Again if what they done is soooo bad for 3 Gens
Why hasnt a coalition taken them down yet?, oh ya...
nobody cares to do that, if they keep accepting
these Kims they will keep experiencing their ways. If the people there dont make known their are wayyyyyyyy more of them than the Kim regime and stand up this will never end.
Its all on them, USA doesnt and wont ever invade to save them just because, thats silly.
Are you?
Listen I am open minded to subjects like this
I speak freely and dont care what strangers
Think of my views, this is a free planet speak freely.
Again I repeat if NK has been so bad to humans for decades...why are they allowed to exists?, you really think USA couldnt take them out in a matter of seconds?.
Thing is you want USA to act as GODs and save humanity in NK, when clearly that will never happen, it hasnt happened for 3 Gens of Kims now...do you think it will ever happen?, ONLY the NK humanity can save themselves from these other humans that have trapped them with fear, once that happens...only then the USA will assists.
gutter_trash
Banned
are you Dennis Rodman?
He doesnt speak on the subject at all, see youre sooo polluted by propaganda you think
Lil Kimmy actually took Rodman to prison camps and laughed or shot at people in there, fed them to dogs and threw babies into holes.
When clearly if you ever seen VICE, they never show that to Guests and just show their control and very organized/planned ways.
How are you helping NK humanity?, feeling sad or weirded out by PBS isnt helping anybody, while you eat and live a american dream with HD cable they dont even know what that is, they dont even know PBS is exposing their NK nightmare.
Stop showing their nightmare as a show and if you really care invade and save them, it hasnt even happen in 3 Gens what are they waiting for?. Do they even really care, clearly not but keep the documentaries coming though smh.
What do you mean by "take them out?" For all the fucked up things we've done in the past, the US isn't currently the business of indiscriminately killing everyone in a country because we think they're bad guys.
Instigating a coup, something we could hypothetically do, would be incredibly difficult against a country possessing some form of nuclear weapons and one of the biggest militaries in the world.
What? Who is calling on the US to do anything? Are you saying the US/UN should go in NK and remove Kim/family/government?
People are expressing dismay at the poor treatment of the average people of NK. Sympathizing with their plight. And people in most of the rest of the world would surely support the average people of NK if they were to rebel against the Kim regime. But it isn't really anybody's place to step in and disrupt NK as long as it's issues are constrained to just itself. I believe you said that just above.
The Regime can easily be taken out, USA should had done that about decades ago, NK
cant be allowed to exists as is thats all I keep hearing from the people here crying about Human Rights.
I wonder why the USA the all
Mighty Godly Miltary power hasnt dismantled NK regime?, what purpose do they have to exists if they are supposedly treating their citizens like roaches?
Explain to me why the USA hasnt focused on that instead of middle east?, wasnt that among other things also about Human Rights?.
All these tiny posts people dont even think about these subjects, thats why they got nothing to say, "isthis jokey posts hehe lol" and all that means nothing why even post it, least I am showing a view thats crystal clear.
I am not here day dreaming that NK gets Americanized like many are dreaming, I say the facts and that is people need to stand up not expedt the USA to save them, only way USA Helps is if they show resistance revolution if you dont Kimmy regime will be there forever.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Because they aren't running around with guns mounted on trucks. They actually have weapons/army that can hurt our allies.
Well it's a good thing you don't live in North Korea, then!
All for a good cause though, "our allies" have died from garbage IDE denotated by cheap cellphones.
Again if NK is like a Hitler situation why has this regime been allowed to exists this long?
Sectorseven
Member
Doesn't it feel like international awareness of North Korea only started a few years ago?
The country is 60 years old, but it's as if people didn't know how strange (and horrible) it was until the Vice documentary.
The country is 60 years old, but it's as if people didn't know how strange (and horrible) it was until the Vice documentary.
North Korea is backed by China and Russia, two major world powers as you may have heard in elementary school. An US attack on North Korea would likely lead to World War III, which isn't in anyone's interest I'd imagine.
Secondly, while there is a growing discontent of the North Korean people with the regime, people are still very much indoctrinated to believe the US is an evil country and the outside world is even worse than North Korea. If the US would invade North Korea, it'd be a massive bloodshed, given how large their military is and how strong the beliefs in their country are for a majority of the people. Also, nuclear weapons.
Thirdly, you REALLY need to pick up a book and educate yourself on oppressive regimes. Nazi Germany and East Germany might be good starting points for real life examples.
North Korea would retaliate on South Korea and the current thinking is that there wouldn't be much anyone could do to prevent that.
China would do everything politically possible to stop any action in NK. Not out of love for NK or its leadership but because the idea of western military action in a country that borders China would be unacceptable to them.
People have known for a long time. It didn't start with Vice, lol.
BertramCooper
Banned
Because they have weapons of mass destruction and are located a stone's throw away from one of the most populated metropolitan areas on the planet, you cretin.
There is nothing easy or simple about this situation.
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