I'm surprised H&R Block didn't take care of the payments to the IRS and your State.
Wouldn't you have to tell them about all your income for a proper income tax? They are just taking your wages but you may also have interest, stocks, etc. Also in the US, they withhold money throughout the year and then when you file you figure out what you owe. You then get a refund if your withholding was over the necessary amount or you pay if it was less. This means that Americans can adjust their withholding if they need the money throughout the year depending on the circumstances. Or they want to use it for something.
No idea how it works in the U.K.
Ok so first of all, just to be very clear, you never owed the IRS $764. You owed them $611, and you owed your state tax collecting agency $153. This is important because the IRS and state tax collectors are different entities and don't talk to each other. Sending the IRS $764 would not result in your state getting the correct amount of money, it would have meant you'd overpaid the IRS and your state collectors would be after you for the $153. This may be part of what's confusing anyone you might talk to at the IRS.
Money would not have been taken out of your account without your authorization. When you did your taxes, you probably input your bank information and ticked some box that directed each tax collecting agency to withdraw the money. Then you did it again via the IRS website. (As far as I know you have to input your SSN on the IRS site to make a payment, so there should at least be a clear trail on their end of what happened.)
Then you had your bank reverse the charge (for future reference, this should be a last resort) while the IRS had apparently figured out on their end that you'd overpaid and so issued a refund check (the physical check is probably because you hadn't given them authorization on your tax return to send electronic funds, since you were paying rather than getting a refund). This is why they came after you for $764: you overpaid by that amount, they were in the process of giving it back to you, then you pulled it back via your bank. From their perspective they had now double-paid you back.
Ok, you got the check from the IRS and handed it over to them, and were told it would take 60 days to clear up. It has not been 60 days yet. In the meantime their system still thinks they double-paid you back, and is dinging you for it. They are not trying to screw you. This is just bog-standard bureaucracy.
It's fine to be concerned about continuing to get notices, and you should maybe contact the IRS just to get reassurance that yes, once the thing with the check is cleared up the notices will stop coming. But what's actually happening here isn't the IRS fucking with you, it's that you made several mistakes, and the bureaucracy is slow in clearing them up.
Ok so first of all, just to be very clear, you never owed the IRS $764. You owed them $611, and you owed your state tax collecting agency $153. This is important because the IRS and state tax collectors are different entities and don't talk to each other. Sending the IRS $764 would not result in your state getting the correct amount of money, it would have meant you'd overpaid the IRS and your state collectors would be after you for the $153. This may be part of what's confusing anyone you might talk to at the IRS.
Money would not have been taken out of your account without your authorization. When you did your taxes, you probably input your bank information and ticked some box that directed each tax collecting agency to withdraw the money. Then you did it again via the IRS website. (As far as I know you have to input your SSN on the IRS site to make a payment, so there should at least be a clear trail on their end of what happened.)
Then you had your bank reverse the charge (for future reference, this should be a last resort) while the IRS had apparently figured out on their end that you'd overpaid and so issued a refund check (the physical check is probably because you hadn't given them authorization on your tax return to send electronic funds, since you were paying rather than getting a refund). This is why they came after you for $764: you overpaid by that amount, they were in the process of giving it back to you, then you pulled it back via your bank. From their perspective they had now double-paid you back.
Ok, you got the check from the IRS and handed it over to them, and were told it would take 60 days to clear up. It has not been 60 days yet. In the meantime their system still thinks they double-paid you back, and is dinging you for it. They are not trying to screw you. This is just bog-standard bureaucracy.
It's fine to be concerned about continuing to get notices, and you should maybe contact the IRS just to get reassurance that yes, once the thing with the check is cleared up the notices will stop coming. But what's actually happening here isn't the IRS fucking with you, it's that you made several mistakes, and the bureaucracy is slow in clearing them up.
This sums it all up quite nicely. <3Ok so first of all, just to be very clear, you never owed the IRS $764. You owed them $611, and you owed your state tax collecting agency $153. This is important because the IRS and state tax collectors are different entities and don't talk to each other. Sending the IRS $764 would not result in your state getting the correct amount of money, it would have meant you'd overpaid the IRS and your state collectors would be after you for the $153. This may be part of what's confusing anyone you might talk to at the IRS.
Money would not have been taken out of your account without your authorization. When you did your taxes, you probably input your bank information and ticked some box that directed each tax collecting agency to withdraw the money. Then you did it again via the IRS website. (As far as I know you have to input your SSN on the IRS site to make a payment, so there should at least be a clear trail on their end of what happened.)
Then you had your bank reverse the charge (for future reference, this should be a last resort) while the IRS had apparently figured out on their end that you'd overpaid and so issued a refund check (the physical check is probably because you hadn't given them authorization on your tax return to send electronic funds, since you were paying rather than getting a refund). This is why they came after you for $764: you overpaid by that amount, they were in the process of giving it back to you, then you pulled it back via your bank. From their perspective they had now double-paid you back.
Ok, you got the check from the IRS and handed it over to them, and were told it would take 60 days to clear up. It has not been 60 days yet. In the meantime their system still thinks they double-paid you back, and is dinging you for it. They are not trying to screw you. This is just bog-standard bureaucracy.
It's fine to be concerned about continuing to get notices, and you should maybe contact the IRS just to get reassurance that yes, once the thing with the check is cleared up the notices will stop coming. But what's actually happening here isn't the IRS fucking with you, it's that you made several mistakes, and the bureaucracy is slow in clearing them up.
Yes.
Man sometimes I think understanding taxes is relatively simple, especially these days with all the free or low-cost prep software. Even stuff like capital gains or self-employment tax is pretty automated and straightforward.
But every one of these threads has people (ironically?) thrilled about the idea of thousands of dollars in "refunds", or being worried about owing a small amount at year's end, or not understanding marginal tax rates.
W-4 calculators are free! Make your life and your budgeting way easier by doing it once and forgetting about it until you get married or have kids.
Why is this the IRS's fault? Why would you send them your state tax payment? Why did you contact your bank to "fix" it?
Why are people in this thread overpaying and then getting excited about a refund?
As others have said, threads like this make me think we need some required basic tax education classes in schools or something.
With inflation being positive, you aren't even just letting them hang onto it for a while, you're actively throwing away your own earned income by doing this. I get the psychological boost of seeing the refund, but it's terrible for your long-term personal finances.Overpaying can be a personal decision. I'm a CPA and I prefer to overpay. I don't invest money in anything other than retirement accounts at this point, which I max near the beginning of the year anyway, so I wouldn't get shit for "interest" getting the money throughout the year. And my paychecks are plenty with married withholding as single and with 0 exemptions. And I like seeing that big ass refund come through my bank account.
Ok so first of all, just to be very clear, you never owed the IRS $764. You owed them $611, and you owed your state tax collecting agency $153. This is important because the IRS and state tax collectors are different entities and don't talk to each other. Sending the IRS $764 would not result in your state getting the correct amount of money, it would have meant you'd overpaid the IRS and your state collectors would be after you for the $153. This may be part of what's confusing anyone you might talk to at the IRS.
Money would not have been taken out of your account without your authorization. When you did your taxes, you probably input your bank information and ticked some box that directed each tax collecting agency to withdraw the money. Then you did it again via the IRS website. (As far as I know you have to input your SSN on the IRS site to make a payment, so there should at least be a clear trail on their end of what happened.)
Then you had your bank reverse the charge (for future reference, this should be a last resort) while the IRS had apparently figured out on their end that you'd overpaid and so issued a refund check (the physical check is probably because you hadn't given them authorization on your tax return to send electronic funds, since you were paying rather than getting a refund). This is why they came after you for $764: you overpaid by that amount, they were in the process of giving it back to you, then you pulled it back via your bank. From their perspective they had now double-paid you back.
Ok, you got the check from the IRS and handed it over to them, and were told it would take 60 days to clear up. It has not been 60 days yet. In the meantime their system still thinks they double-paid you back, and is dinging you for it. They are not trying to screw you. This is just bog-standard bureaucracy.
It's fine to be concerned about continuing to get notices, and you should maybe contact the IRS just to get reassurance that yes, once the thing with the check is cleared up the notices will stop coming. But what's actually happening here isn't the IRS fucking with you, it's that you made several mistakes, and the bureaucracy is slow in clearing them up.
I'm surprised H&R Block didn't take care of the payments to the IRS and your State.
With inflation being positive, you aren't even just letting them hang onto it for a while, you're actively throwing away your own earned income by doing this. I get the psychological boost of seeing the refund, but it's terrible for your long-term personal finances.
One thing I want to stress again is that you don't go immediately to your bank to have them do a reverse charge or chargeback. I have no idea why this idea has picked up steam on the internet, but this is not how it should ever be done.
Don't know why anyone ever sets it to more than 1, at most.
I'm married, have two kids, and own a home and I only claim 1.Because they have more complex tax situations, kids, home ownership, and so on.
If I had mine at 1 I'd be getting a giant refund which means I'd be missing out on money throughout the year
Yeah they're supposed to file electronically and make those payments for you then and there. Very strange.I'm surprised H&R Block didn't take care of the payments to the IRS and your State.
Yeah they're supposed to file electronically and make those payments for you then and there. Very strange.
You have no idea how much we on the banking side see this. A banker worth their salts would have pulled it all apart much like Cyan did above.
It sounds like they did and the H&R Block guy had no idea because it's H&R Block.
I'm married, have two kids, and own a home and I only claim 1.
I gotn $11k back taking into account the EIC and child credits.
I'm married, have two kids, and own a home and I only claim 1.
I gotn $11k back taking into account the EIC and child credits.
It's just bizarre. I have no idea how it started, or why it seems to circle around in these types of communities, but it's a terrible practice. And then people get so upset. People need to learn it's not a substitute for getting a refund for something you mistakenly or regret buying, nor is it an excuse to put in minimal effort to go through the normal proper channels in trying to get your money back (when it's actually deserved). I mean, you see it on the gaming side from time to time where people forgot to remove their credit card and bought a year of PSN or XBL and then freak out after they get the bank to do a chargeback and their service is cancelled. Like, no shit?
Only time in my life I had to do a chargeback is because I was on a foreign trip in Central America and a restaurant rang my card up several times for one meal.
Thank you for typing this out yes I know the IRS wasn't intentionally trolling me but the bolded is a serious problem too.Ok so first of all, just to be very clear, you never owed the IRS $764. You owed them $611, and you owed your state tax collecting agency $153. This is important because the IRS and state tax collectors are different entities and don't talk to each other. Sending the IRS $764 would not result in your state getting the correct amount of money, it would have meant you'd overpaid the IRS and your state collectors would be after you for the $153. This may be part of what's confusing anyone you might talk to at the IRS.
Money would not have been taken out of your account without your authorization. When you did your taxes, you probably input your bank information and ticked some box that directed each tax collecting agency to withdraw the money. Then you did it again via the IRS website. (As far as I know you have to input your SSN on the IRS site to make a payment, so there should at least be a clear trail on their end of what happened.)
Then you had your bank reverse the charge (for future reference, this should be a last resort) while the IRS had apparently figured out on their end that you'd overpaid and so issued a refund check (the physical check is probably because you hadn't given them authorization on your tax return to send electronic funds, since you were paying rather than getting a refund). This is why they came after you for $764: you overpaid by that amount, they were in the process of giving it back to you, then you pulled it back via your bank. From their perspective they had now double-paid you back.
Ok, you got the check from the IRS and handed it over to them, and were told it would take 60 days to clear up. It has not been 60 days yet. In the meantime their system still thinks they double-paid you back, and is dinging you for it. They are not trying to screw you. This is just bog-standard bureaucracy.
It's fine to be concerned about continuing to get notices, and you should maybe contact the IRS just to get reassurance that yes, once the thing with the check is cleared up the notices will stop coming. But what's actually happening here isn't the IRS fucking with you, it's that you made several mistakes, and the bureaucracy is slow in clearing them up.