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Fuck you, Rick Berman. Jonathan Frakes wants to direct Star Trek 3
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DrForester
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No, seriously, I enjoyed Voyager. And DS9 was great.
The only reason Janeway isn't the worst of all the Trek captains is Archer just went all out incompetent.
How bad can Janeway really be if she made admiral?
No way. Archer is a much better captain than Janeway. Janeway is a better character but she's such an unbelieveable Trek captain.
Admirals in Trek are usually either
A) evil
B) incompetent
C) both
So Janeway becoming an Admiral makes complete sense
She's not a real Starship Captain then. Kirk gave it up, and Picard never wanted it. They never wanted to leave that bridge, Janeway ran away first chance she got.
Sentenza
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Nightmare fuel.
DrForester
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Janeway is nuts. Archer is flat out incompetent.
uncredited male
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First Contact was awesome. Insurrection is clearly too refined for some of you.
I welcome Frakes' reign.
I welcome Frakes' reign.
Wasn't there an episode where Archer watched Rosemary's Baby?
super-heated plasma
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Holy shit, that book is a fascinating read so far. The treatment he had for Insurrection was FAR better than what the movie turned out to be.
DrForester
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There was an episode where he let his dog piss on some sacred trees of an easily offended alien species and then was clueless as to why they were angry with him.
Logitech Joysticks for everyone!
Messofanego
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funkystudent
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More worried about the script and the writers then whoever they put in the directors chair.
Escape Goat
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And Shatner to bring back Dial 911 with Betty White as co star.
Still haven't seen Insurrection but First Contact was my favorite of "pre boot" ST movies. I wouldn't mind this.
Very much an example of how too many cooks can ruin a good product. I don't blame Pillar or Frakes for how Insurrection turned out.
(And I'd be okay with Frakes helming another Star Trek film. He's clearly qualified.)
A friend and I usually end up having a laugh over Miss Bedroom Eyes whenever Insurrection gets brought up.There was one good thing in Insurrection.
And it wasn't the Riker maneuver.
Escape Goat
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The producers also asked if Piller would consider reducing Barclays role and filling this void with Beverly, Worf, or a new character. Barclay had a great cameo in First Contact, but his popularity is questionable (Barclay was eventually cut altogether). They also wanted a role created for Tom Hanks.
After reading one re-write of the script, Rick Berman went home and told his wife, I think Michaels starting to lose it. He wrote a scene today in which a llama pees on Beverly Crusher. Needless to say, that scene didnt stay in the picture.
He ends Fade In by criticizing the new kind of action writing in Hollywood that I simply dont know how to do. It begins even before a word is put down on paper with identifying set pieces, big self-contained action moments that are thrilling and memorable, and then finding some way to string all your set pieces into a coherent narrative. Sounds exactly like how John Spaihts pitched Prometheus.
Haha, this book sounds fun.
After reading one re-write of the script, Rick Berman went home and told his wife, I think Michaels starting to lose it. He wrote a scene today in which a llama pees on Beverly Crusher. Needless to say, that scene didnt stay in the picture.
He ends Fade In by criticizing the new kind of action writing in Hollywood that I simply dont know how to do. It begins even before a word is put down on paper with identifying set pieces, big self-contained action moments that are thrilling and memorable, and then finding some way to string all your set pieces into a coherent narrative. Sounds exactly like how John Spaihts pitched Prometheus.
Haha, this book sounds fun.
RPGCrazied
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Better question is when is this coming back on TV? Been awhile since Enterprise. I miss having a Star Trek on TV.
googleplex
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Ah you're right.
I meant Explorers when I typed One little ship.
And I meant Children of Time not Times Children.
And don't "wat" rocks and Shoals. That was a amazing episode.
smh
Since we can't flag people with terrible opinions, I guess it's the ignore list for you mate.
googleplex
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I agree with everything in your post. But even Archer wouldn't have killed Tuvix! That was straight-up murder.
Janeway crossed the line from slightly crazy to stone cold evil with that act. She murdered a man, that was pleading for his life who's only crime was existing. The real kicker is that the crew stood by and did nothing. You know your crew is shit when the Hologram becomes the voice of reason and compassion.
s_mirage
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I'd take him any day over Orci but I've got mixed feelings over whether Frakes directing would be a good thing. First Contact was very good but I don't know if I want to see anyone associated with TNG working on the current movies. They aren't TNG movies, Frakes would have no more insight into the characters than any other director, and unfortunately I'm not convinced by his films outside of First Contact. He seems to be more of a TV director these days, and while that's not necessarily a bad thing it would make the new Trek film much bigger than anything else he's done.
lawlohwhat
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Children of time has a whole klingon subplot with worf and his descendents
Two-takes Frakes! Love that man.
It's interesting how quick people are to rag on Insurrection, because for all its faults - and there are undeniably many - it was also a sincere and sometimes successful attempt to bring the spirit of the series back to the movies, which had become rather bland actioners (First Contact being far and away the best) rather than embodying the ideals of discovery, exploration and understanding which characterised the best of Trek and its movies - Khan being a reflection on death, age, decisions and their consequences, and betrayal, for instance. First Contact, enjoyable though it is, is just an action movie with sci-fi trappings. Insurrection in many ways feels too much like an extended, and not particularly outstanding, TV episode, but it is undeniably Trek in a way many other movies before or since didn't even aim for. For that alone, I could never hate on it despite the flaws - and if anything, it's a better advert for the sensibility Frakes could bring to a series once again in tonal disarray.
It's interesting how quick people are to rag on Insurrection, because for all its faults - and there are undeniably many - it was also a sincere and sometimes successful attempt to bring the spirit of the series back to the movies, which had become rather bland actioners (First Contact being far and away the best) rather than embodying the ideals of discovery, exploration and understanding which characterised the best of Trek and its movies - Khan being a reflection on death, age, decisions and their consequences, and betrayal, for instance. First Contact, enjoyable though it is, is just an action movie with sci-fi trappings. Insurrection in many ways feels too much like an extended, and not particularly outstanding, TV episode, but it is undeniably Trek in a way many other movies before or since didn't even aim for. For that alone, I could never hate on it despite the flaws - and if anything, it's a better advert for the sensibility Frakes could bring to a series once again in tonal disarray.
Henchmen21
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Hey now, let's not lay all the blame on Berman. Stewart was also the one who wanted Picard to be all action hero.
No you don't, you just need better writing. Something this new timeline lacks in abundance.
Wow. Rare that I find someone else who can't stand DS9
I'm hesitant to put too much blame on Berman in general. It's well-known that at least during the Enterprise era (and likely during Voyager too), there were plenty of studio politics involved which heavily influenced the writing of their shows.
HammerOfThor
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I'm in team Frakes.
I'm curious to see what a ST vet would do for a movie that has no ties to previous series.
I'm curious to see what a ST vet would do for a movie that has no ties to previous series.
fastford58
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Why not just a fair swap of directors?
The only thing separating his face from his neck is that stupid beard.
I wouldn't let GL direct me to my shitter.
This would be awesome, if and only if he makes everyone sit down Riker-style
seriously, this should have happened in every iteration since TNG.
Came for this.
The best response. Forgive them padre, they can't recognize a bloody good show
Generations was written by Ron Moore and Brannon Braga, a pair of writers who simultaneously wrote "All Good Things" while working on Generations. One of these scripts turned into one of the best/smartest endings in TV history, and the other one pushed Mr Plinkett into existence, who called it "The stupidest movie ever made."
For First Contact, Moore and Braga simply let the "stupid" of TNG movies wash over them, flowing into the script, resulting in the "least awful" stupid TNG movie.
For Insurrection, Michael Pillar was horrified by what became of TNG, and he tried to stop the flow of stupid. But he couldn't stop it, nobody can. And since he tried and failed, the movie became a trainwreck.
Nemesis was a pathetic attempt to copy Wrath of Khan, inadvisably starring the cast of TNG.
Kurtzman and Orci are the Kings of Stupid, they got a bigger budget, and a more-suitable cast. So it's not surprising that new-Trek beat the TNG movies.
It doesn't matter if the director is JJ Abrams or Jonathan Frakes, Star Trek is cursed with terrible stupidity, and there's no indication that it will ever get better. Kurtzman and Orci may be gone, but apparently they weren't tossed for being stupid, they were tossed because Orci tried to kill off too many principal characters. K&O won't be replaced with anyone smarter, just with a lower grade of stupidity.
Give the movie to Frakes. Let him hire Moore and Braga and they can make Stupid Contact 2.0, starring the new cast. Because at least that would have some fanservice value.
For First Contact, Moore and Braga simply let the "stupid" of TNG movies wash over them, flowing into the script, resulting in the "least awful" stupid TNG movie.
For Insurrection, Michael Pillar was horrified by what became of TNG, and he tried to stop the flow of stupid. But he couldn't stop it, nobody can. And since he tried and failed, the movie became a trainwreck.
Nemesis was a pathetic attempt to copy Wrath of Khan, inadvisably starring the cast of TNG.
Kurtzman and Orci are the Kings of Stupid, they got a bigger budget, and a more-suitable cast. So it's not surprising that new-Trek beat the TNG movies.
It doesn't matter if the director is JJ Abrams or Jonathan Frakes, Star Trek is cursed with terrible stupidity, and there's no indication that it will ever get better. Kurtzman and Orci may be gone, but apparently they weren't tossed for being stupid, they were tossed because Orci tried to kill off too many principal characters. K&O won't be replaced with anyone smarter, just with a lower grade of stupidity.
Give the movie to Frakes. Let him hire Moore and Braga and they can make Stupid Contact 2.0, starring the new cast. Because at least that would have some fanservice value.
googleplex
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That wasn't a Episode about Klingon culture at all. Hell the klingons were barely a sub plot.
Ohmygoditsjrod
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Couldn't bring myself to watch DS9 for the sole reason of having far too much Ferengie. Anytime one shows up in Star Trek I have to change the channel.
DrForester
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Give it a shot. DS9 really does the Ferengi justice most the time (few exceptions), and Quark is a wonderful character.
Bobby Roberts
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You wonder how it is people could have stopped caring about Star Trek
Then you advocate Jonathan Frakes direct the 50th anniversary.
I don't get you guys. You SETTLE for Jonathan Frakes because talented directors don't want to do it. You don't PURSUE Jonathan Frakes unless you're on your fourth or fifth option and time is super-short. I mean - we're making a movie that has to tie in, visually, aesthetically, with what JJ Abrams set up in 2009.
Frakes can't do that.
Start with Joe Cornish (who is also a writer)
Move from there.
Then you advocate Jonathan Frakes direct the 50th anniversary.
I don't get you guys. You SETTLE for Jonathan Frakes because talented directors don't want to do it. You don't PURSUE Jonathan Frakes unless you're on your fourth or fifth option and time is super-short. I mean - we're making a movie that has to tie in, visually, aesthetically, with what JJ Abrams set up in 2009.
Frakes can't do that.
Start with Joe Cornish (who is also a writer)
Move from there.
Escape Goat
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Michael Dorn is still pushing for a Worf show. Believe.
I think they are terrified at trying a new Star Trek show. They know if it doesn't hit the right notes from the start the fans will abandon it and never come back. Enterprise's reception and even when it finally improved never brought the fans back poisoned the TV well I think. I mean Frakes, Dorn and hell even Shatner have proposed shows and all are told no way.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah. They're gonna wait until this third movie either hits hard or stays at Into Darkness levels. Then they'll decide.
By then, Bryan Fuller will be done with Hannibal, I'd imagine.
At which point, he'll push for it. And they'll let him do it, I bet.
Yeah it's too bad what happened to Enterprise, if it had seasons 5-7 at the same quality of season 4 then it would be remembered as one of the best Trek series.
I think a lot of the reason people didn't come back to Enterprise even after it got really good was because many people were probably just burned out on Trek on TV. Trek had been going on for so long at that point it really did need a break (though yeah I would of preferred a break after season 7 of Enterprise).
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