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[Extra Sauce]

By then, Bryan Fuller will be done with Hannibal, I'd imagine.

At which point, he'll push for it. And they'll let him do it, I bet.

Stop toying with my emotions.

A Hannibal-quality Star Trek show would be the best thing ever.

THE BEST.

 

[GreenTornadoX]

Give it a shot. DS9 really does the Ferengi justice most the time (few exceptions), and Quark is a wonderful character.

I just wish DS9 and Voyager were on rerun at the moment. I don't have the biggest data plan and I don't want to stream it

(Although I can watch TNG on BBCA!)

 

[Goo]

Two-takes Frakes! Love that man.

It's interesting how quick people are to rag on Insurrection, because for all its faults - and there are undeniably many - it was also a sincere and sometimes successful attempt to bring the spirit of the series back to the movies, which had become rather bland actioners (First Contact being far and away the best) rather than embodying the ideals of discovery, exploration and understanding which characterised the best of Trek and its movies - Khan being a reflection on death, age, decisions and their consequences, and betrayal, for instance. First Contact, enjoyable though it is, is just an action movie with sci-fi trappings. Insurrection in many ways feels too much like an extended, and not particularly outstanding, TV episode, but it is undeniably Trek in a way many other movies before or since didn't even aim for. For that alone, I could never hate on it despite the flaws - and if anything, it's a better advert for the sensibility Frakes could bring to a series once again in tonal disarray.

I agree with this sentiment regarding Insurrection. I remember watching it with my brother when it premiered, we enjoyed it, but most of all we felt it was so much like the TV show that we loved. Made us miss the show all that much more.

 

[super-heated plasma]

The dig from Patrick Stewart in his letter to Piller at Star Trek V is incredible..

I think it is retrograde to emphases ‘family’ so strongly. I think
that is sentimental and uninteresting and eventually leads to
space heroes sitting round a camp fire singing “Row, row, row
your boat...”

 

[Fragamemnon]

Couldn't bring myself to watch DS9 for the sole reason of having far too much Ferengie. Anytime one shows up in Star Trek I have to change the channel.

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Out of all of the problems that DS9 had, the Ferengi are pretty low on the list for me.

The Bajorians are number one for me. Everything to do with them. The whole prophet subplot, Bajor-Cardassia "politics", viva la revolution, etc. It was all supremely annoying.

It wasn't the type of Star Trek that I fell in love with, exploration, discovery, existentialism, so on. It was down and dirty politics, war, racism.

Voyager only failed in my eyes because the bridge crew was nuts and they ruined the Borg.

 

[DrForester]

Voyager only failed in my eyes because the bridge crew was nuts and they ruined the Borg.

And Q.

 

[Escape Goat]

And Q.

More basic than that. They totally failed to develop any semblance of character outside of Seven and the doctor which were the two successes. Janeway had the screen time but totally failed to develop an interesting character.

 

[Henchmen21]

More basic than that. They totally failed to develop any semblance of character outside of Seven and the doctor which were the two successes. Janeway had the screen time but totally failed to develop an interesting character.

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

 

[Escape Goat]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

The doctors struggles were similar in that they sprung from his worth as a being made to emulate humans without actually being human. Each show had the one character on the outside looking in. Spock, Data, Odo, The Doctor and T'Pol. And you could add Seven to that list although her journey was one of rediscovery. Saying she was just T&A is ignoring the good stories involving her. but it's pretty clear Jeri Ryan was supposed to be the sex appeal of the show(it was on the precursor network of the CW).

 

[bluelightningduo]

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

Looks like I'm watching DS9.

 

[Joeytj]

Wait... So no one wants Orci. Ok

Now, some want Frakes, but then not really.

What would the Trek fandom's preferred choice to direct a new ST movie be, honestly?

Other fandoms right of the bat start making list of preferred candidates to direct the next installment in their franchises, but I don't see much of that in Trek.

 

[Nozem]

I'm sure alexandros will do a fine job.

 

[DrForester]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

Holo doc was quite different as he had emotions. He was quite literally growing beyond his programing. Seven, while intended (and was) T&A, became a very interesting character with her adapting to life outside the collective.

I'll be first in line to give Voyager shit, but those were both two good characters.

 

[Big-E]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

Seven and the Doctor were the only redeemable characters. Seven may have been thought up as just T&A but that is not how they wrote her. The better episodes surrounded those two characters.

 

[Escape Goat]

Wait... So no one wants Orci. Ok

Now, some want Frakes, but then not really.

What would the Trek fandom's preferred choice to direct a new ST movie be, honestly?

Tim James Gunn

 

[Effect]

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

A excellent example of why DS9 is so damn great.

 

[Henchmen21]

Wait... So no one wants Orci. Ok

Now, some want Frakes, but then not really.

What would the Trek fandom's preferred choice to direct a new ST movie be, honestly?

Other fandoms right of the bat start making list of preferred candidates to direct the next installment in their franchises, but I don't see much of that in Trek.

Well if we're going with people that have directed trek before: Nicholas Meyer.

 

[Cheebo]

Well if we're going with people that have directed trek before: Nicholas Meyer.

He is a grumpy old man now. No way.

 

[Tehalemi]

I'm completely on board with this, I think Frakes will do an excellent job.

I see you Alex, I see you.

 

[lastplayed]

The dig from Patrick Stewart in his letter to Piller at Star Trek V is incredible..

I think it is retrograde to emphases ‘family’ so strongly. I think
that is sentimental and uninteresting and eventually leads to
space heroes sitting round a camp fire singing “Row, row, row
your boat...”

But the Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes were the best parts in V.

 

[googleplex]

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

Magnificent scene! Two other of the best moment in Star trek history were also in DS9 were

This scene in Pale Moon Light
And This scene in Duet

 

[DrForester]

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

Another one of the best scenes in the series involved a Ferengi. Spoilery if you're going to watch the series.

 

[A-V-B]

The Root Beer Scene with Quark is literally one of the best moments of Trek ever.

"We don't like Root Beer! We won't have any! But the Federation says noo. You must learn to love what we make, and become like us!"

 

[googleplex]

Another one of the best scenes in the series involved a Ferengi. Spoilery if you're going to watch the series.

The funniest thing about that scene in retrospect is that

Spoiler

Nog actually becomes a great starfleet officer, and Rom, his dad becomes Grand nagus with a smoking hot Bajoran wife.

 

[DrForester]

The funniest thing about that scene in retrospect is that

Spoiler

Nog actually becomes a great starfleet officer, and Rom, his dad becomes Grand nagus with a smoking hot Bajoran wife.

No, the funnest thing is that when Harry got back from the Delta Quadrant he has to

Spoiler

Salute the kid who served him drinks when he left

 

[Savitar]

He's a decent enough director and lets face it, can the reboot ST get any worse at this point?

Maybe we can actually get something akin to a sensible plot.

 

[Nemesis121]

Yeah it's too bad what happened to Enterprise, if it had seasons 5-7 at the same quality of season 4 then it would be remembered as one of the best Trek series.

I think a lot of the reason people didn't come back to Enterprise even after it got really good was because many people were probably just burned out on Trek on TV. Trek had been going on for so long at that point it really did need a break (though yeah I would of preferred a break after season 7 of Enterprise).

Just finish Enterprise a few days ago, Season 1 and 2 killed the viewership, they were awful, but season 3 and 4 are better than any season of Voyager, and gives TNG/DS9 best seasons a great head on fight, I was really loving the show then it just ends

 

[Cheerilee]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

IIRC, Robert Picardo said in an interview that he knew going in that The Doctor was the most worthless role on Voyager. Data was the "Spock" of TNG, but Voyager already had a Spock, and his name was Tuvok. The Doctor was Data, minus everything.

And he grew into probably the greatest character on Voyager. It might be a fantastic example of setting the bar low, but it's still remarkable.

The funniest thing about that scene in retrospect is that

Spoiler

Nog actually becomes a great starfleet officer, and Rom, his dad becomes Grand nagus with a smoking hot Bajoran wife.

That's not funny in retrospect. That scene really hammered it home that

Spoiler

Nog had Starfleet potential

, and

Spoiler

Rom only became important

because the world flipped upside down. Nog was right that

Spoiler

his father didn't have the lobes for business, and neither did he. Nog carved himself a real outlet for his talents, which didn't exist in Ferengi society at the time, and he was right about Rom's unrecognized mechanical genius, which remained largely unrecognized, even though he was comically given the title of Grand Nagus for his skill in buffoonery.

 

[Currygan]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

compared to the likes of Kim, B'elanna and motherfucking "I'm doing crosswords while the entire quadrant is shooting at us" Chakotay, they were like Shakespeare characters

seriously, Chakotay has to be the most useless man in the whole universe

 

[DrForester]

compared to the likes of Kim, B'elanna and motherfucking "I'm doing crosswords while the entire quadrant is shooting at us" Chakotay, they were like Shakespeare characters

seriously, Chakotay has to be the most useless man in the whole universe

They were terrified of making the woman captain look weak, so they cave her a spineless yes-man as a first officer and wrote it so she's right all the time.

 

[Escape Goat]

compared to the likes of Kim, B'elanna and motherfucking "I'm doing crosswords while the entire quadrant is shooting at us" Chakotay, they were like Shakespeare characters

seriously, Chakotay has to be the most useless man in the whole universe

Time for a "my peoples" story from Chakotay.

 

[Currygan]

lol to both

Chakotay building a wooden bathtub is all i remember ever him doing. It's like they were telling us that he was really good at simple manual labour and nothing else

 

[HK-47]

What? Seven was just T&A and Holo doc was an attempt at rehashing Data. Totally bland and uninteresting characters.

This is being super reductionist.

 

[alexandros]

Hey, don't shit on the holographic doctor. He was a cool character.

I'm sure alexandros will do a fine job.

Thank you. My first order of business: all the main characters grow beards. The female ones too.

I see you Alex, I see you.

 

[Measley]

Magnificent scene! Two other of the best moment in Star trek history were also in DS9 were

This scene in Pale Moon Light
And This scene in Duet

Pale Moon Light is one of my favorite episodes.

It gave us this gem;

 

[Lagamorph]

Generations = First Contact > Nemesis >>>>>>>>>Insurrection

Though Frakes was also behind Thunderbirds.....

 

[Atruvius]

I liked Insurrection.

I liked it as well. I watched it again with the Frakes' & Sirtis's commentary track right after I finished watching it the first time.

The dig from Patrick Stewart in his letter to Piller at Star Trek V is incredible..

I think it is retrograde to emphases ‘family’ so strongly. I think
that is sentimental and uninteresting and eventually leads to
space heroes sitting round a camp fire singing “Row, row, row
your boat...”

I enjoyed that scene. :'(

But the Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes were the best parts in V.

Yeah!

 

[Loakum]

Just because J. Frakes starred in a Star Trek show, don't mean he should automatically be picked to direct it's upcoming film.

 

[Lagamorph]

Not even Kirk, Spock and McCoy could redeem Star Trek V.
Second worst Star Trek film after Insurrection.

 

[Escape Goat]

No, seriously, I enjoyed Voyager. And DS9 was great.

After watching her in Orange is the New Black and seeing this gif of her 15 years ago makes me sad.

 

[Loakum]

After watching her in Orange is the New Black and seeing this gif of her 15 years ago makes me sad.

time waits for no man....

 

[SpoonyBard]

I'm completely on board with this, I think Frakes will do an excellent job.

I'd say that even First Contact wasn't particularly well directed, as a semi big budget movie. It was somewhat TV quality in many areas. What made it work was the story... Borg + time travel + space battles + Borg queen... it's difficult to make that uninteresting.

 

[DrForester]

time waits for no man....

Took the Federation too long, but she's finaly in jail where she belongs.

 

[Phoenix]

First Contact was a one hit wonder. Every other TNG movie sucked horribly. I wouldn't trust Frakes in the directors chair, especially since this isn't a TNG movie.

Everything after TNG was pretty terrible except the 4th season of Enterprise. '09 was pretty good, but STID annoyed me terribly, especially the white washing of Khan.

I have no positive expectations for 13.

Stop reading my mind!

 

[Currygan]

I'd say that even First Contact wasn't particularly well directed, as a semi big budget movie. It was somewhat TV quality in many areas. What made it work was the story... Borg + time travel + space battles + Borg queen... it's difficult to make that uninteresting.

completely agree with this

 

[Cheerilee]

time waits for no man....

To be fair, Janeway was never "young", she was "mature".

 

[MisterHero]

Screw everything if they're not bringing back Shatner Kirk and not making a 50th anniversary movie. I'd let Frakes go crazy with the series.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I enjoyed that scene. :'(

Me too, it's one of my favourite trek scenes. :/

 

[Mononoke]

Two-takes Frakes! Love that man.

It's interesting how quick people are to rag on Insurrection, because for all its faults - and there are undeniably many - it was also a sincere and sometimes successful attempt to bring the spirit of the series back to the movies, which had become rather bland actioners (First Contact being far and away the best) rather than embodying the ideals of discovery, exploration and understanding which characterised the best of Trek and its movies - Khan being a reflection on death, age, decisions and their consequences, and betrayal, for instance. First Contact, enjoyable though it is, is just an action movie with sci-fi trappings. Insurrection in many ways feels too much like an extended, and not particularly outstanding, TV episode, but it is undeniably Trek in a way many other movies before or since didn't even aim for. For that alone, I could never hate on it despite the flaws - and if anything, it's a better advert for the sensibility Frakes could bring to a series once again in tonal disarray.

Yeah, sure. It's still an awful film. But you have a point. It did feel like an attempt to capture the TNG style episodes. So I think it's easier to look back on that one fondly. But bad films are bad films. *shrugs*