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Jay Sosa

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Siddx and I were on the WTF is this shit train from the start.. others just joined in when it was in fashion...

Hey that's not fair! I dislike anything Kanye does ever since good reviews made me buy graduation. And I use to love him for College Dropout (which is by far the only album that should be considered a classic).

I was impressed by 808 though, really like that one. Well besides the awful last track.

Kanye isn't abandoning his old sound, he's just incapable of reproducing it.

Why would he even try? He sells trazillion copies and look at all his dedicated fans celebrating everything he does or say. Tbh I rather see him stay true to his egomaniac self than see him act like he is that struggling producer which no one takes serious again. Even though I'd makes me wanna punch him as soon as he opens his mouth.

And geez about 4 100 post pages since I went to sleep yesterday..not bad.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Nah, this is. I hope they make a sextape. I'll buy that shit on Blu-Ray.
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http://soundcloud.com/guccimaneonline/fuckyou-main-eq

Just threw up on my iPad....
 
-that Cudi talk the other day got me listening to Man On The Moon again. For a not very good MC, he made a great album. I love albums that have a (mostly) cohesive sound/theme. Gonna download Kid Named Cudi now since I never heard it before.

-actually ended up listening to All of the Lights yesterday for the first time in a while. That song is so absurdly over the top, but I really do love that shit, no enzo.

"A YO FAM, A YO FAM, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS SONG NEEDS?"

"yes Kanye?"

"MOTHERFUCKING ELTON JOHN FAM! Also, Fergie."

-will be seeing Kanye/Jay next Tuesday here in Dallas. HYPEHYPEHYPE (haven't seen either of them live before)

-I was at a bar when that Victoria Secret show was on. I could only see and not hear the actual show, but Big Sean - A$$ started playing in the bar while the models were doing their thing. It worked pretty damn well.

-new Affion Crockett: Headvines

-Gonna listen to this Doomtree album now. I always remember a long ass time ago when P.O.S. opened up for Gym Class Heroes and how fucking angry/hype he was (which seemed to confuse the audience, lol). He was dope though.

-btw, if anyone cares, the new Gym Class Heroes album is kinda terrible. I say this as someone that actually has enjoyed a lot of their songs in the past (Cookie Jar is absurd, but I love that shit)

-haven't been able to get a good listen in to undun on the NPR site, but the parts I have heard have been dope. Goddamn, isn't this like the 10th Roots album? And they're all worth a listen. They've been consistent as fuck.

-you know I gotta leave y'all with something since I ain't posted in a while. Shout out to whoever posted those BP3 tracks in the instrumental thread.
 

coldvein

Banned
-Gonna listen to this Doomtree album now. I always remember a long ass time ago when P.O.S. opened up for Gym Class Heroes and how fucking angry/hype he was (which seemed to confuse the audience, lol). He was dope though.

just out of curiousity, do you remember when that was? my first POS show was him opening for Atmosphere, touring behind the ipecac neat album.. wayz back when.. even then, fuck, he ruled the stage.
 
just out of curiousity, do you remember when that was? my first POS show was him opening for Atmosphere, touring behind the ipecac neat album.. wayz back when.. even then, fuck, he ruled the stage.

hmm...probably around 2007? The lineup was actually P.O.S./Gym Class Heroes/K-Os
 

OG Kush

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-btw, if anyone cares, the new Gym Class Heroes album is kinda terrible. I say this as someone that actually has enjoyed a lot of their songs in the past (Cookie Jar is absurd, but I love that shit)

kinda expected this but the first Papercut Chronicles is amazing. Such an underrated album, very little MPC/computer type beats, mostly using the full band for the tracks. And Travis kills it. Such a sick album.
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Choice picks from it:
Kid Nothing vs The Echo Factor
Petrified Life and the Twice Told Joke
Make Out Club
Pillmatic
Faces in the hall - Amazing track about a gay kid in his school. Spits straight knowledge.
Everyday's Forecast

Basically the whole album is damn good. The mix between live instrumentation and Travie's lyrics is sublime. Just a shame this album gets kind of overlooked because it was released while they were deep in the pop-punk scene. They even have one track on the album where its basically Travis making a track out of the names of all the bands he loved.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Kanye not making College Dropout over and over again is exactly what keeps him relevant, ahead of the curve, and actually, what keeps College Dropout special. I'm not a fan of the mentality that an artist should not evolve and stay doing the same schtick forever until they've reached Curren$y status. Yeah, there's *that* artist that you listen to that doesn't change shit and you'll still eat it up, but those artists are never on the top of my lists. If Graduation was CD pt3, stagnation would have begun.

It's not that he's incapable, it's that not experimenting and trying to drive yourself to do something different bores him to death, he knows he cant make another CD, even said it even though it need not be said.

If you don't like said stylistic directions he's gone, that's fine (SHOCKING), but you have to respect the drive which isn't just there out of necessity. A big reason why I'm still a huge fan. Everyone here, even 808 lovers groaned when they heard thats how Ye was following up Graduation, but for some it ended up being some of the most left field creative shit out of Ye ever. That's also why I respect Rebirth after watching Wayne pseudo-explain it in his PSA. If it wasn't for Ye's arrogance, his drive and ego, we wouldn't have got CD in the, you could say bold, form it is either. Ye hasn't changed, only the style.

Also Family Business is the best Kanye song. #fuckflashinglights
 

coldvein

Banned
5 times, it was basically the encore of the show. I would have listened to it more too, so much energy in that song.

i dig the track, it's hype.. but i'm still shaking my head at this. no real artist repeats their hit five fucking times. it speaks to a lack of substance.. which between ye and jay, there is plenty of.. just... what the fuck. no, and i mean NO, MC in the real world would dream of doing such a thing. it's cool though, the boys live on Mars with supermodels or some shit. whatever..
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
I should have a few YouTube videos too sometime. Clips from a few songs, not sure the audio or video quality though.

Everything was so well done in the concert. The way the set list was put together was perfect, it gave alternating Kanye and Jay songs with duo songs thrown in. It gave Kanye time in the middle to do his "love" songs like Love Lockdown and use autotune to the max, and then picked it right back up with some of Jay's huge hits. Really kept the energy well.



i dig the track, it's hype.. but i'm still shaking my head at this. no real artist repeats their hit five fucking times. it speaks to a lack of substance.. which between ye and jay, there is plenty of.. just... what the fuck. no, and i mean NO, MC in the real world would dream of doing such a thing. it's cool though, the boys live on Mars with supermodels or some shit. whatever..


Just to note, there was no "lack of substance." They did the song after a full three hour show, with almost every song I wanted to hear and damn near all of the WTT album. Also, they did it once and left, and came back for an encore. Each time they finished the crowd would build up for another round. It really didn't come off as bad as it seems just reading about it, the whole atmosphere was nuts during the song with heavy crowd participation.
 

coldvein

Banned
Just to note, there was no "lack of substance." They did the song after a full hour show, with almost every song I wanted to hear and damn near all of the WTT album. Also, they did it once and left, and came back for an encore. Each time they finished the crowd would build up for another round. It really didn't come off as bad as it seems just reading about it, the whole atmosphere was nuts during the song with heavy crowd participation.

i can kinda understand that.. obviously i wasn't there. but.. in all of rap history as i know it, that kinda shit just isn't done. can you see gangstarr doing "above the clouds" five times at the same show? eazy doing 8 ball five times? em doing the real slim shady five times? RUN DMC doing rock box five times at the same show? anything. i'm drawing a blank.

further edit: what's important was that it was a hype show. glad you enjoyed yourself. don't get me wrong, i'd be there if they were in my town for sure.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Yeah, it was at the end of 3 full hours of Jay/Ye, and the people that wanted to leave began leaving. Most people stuck around though and just had one big party while they did the song.
 

illadelph

Member
kinda expected this but the first Papercut Chronicles is amazing. Such an underrated album, very little MPC/computer type beats, mostly using the full band for the tracks. And Travis kills it. Such a sick album.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who fucks with this album
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
is "Travis" referring to travis barker, second best drummer of all time? if so, i need to check this out..

Did you really just call Travis Barker the second best drummer of all time? lol
 

OG Kush

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Did they do the Diamonds remix and Never let me down? What bout any kanye produced Jay tracks? Like Lucifer etc?

is "Travis" referring to travis barker, second best drummer of all time? if so, i need to check this out..

Nah I mean Travis Mccoy, the MC of Gym Class heroes

whats "this"?

The Papercut Chronicles by Gym Class hereos

Also, Blackace you live in Japan right? Whats the weed scene out there? I heard (from webehigh.com) thats its crazy expensive and not that popular?
 

Recon

Banned
Finally getting around to listening to that new Stevie Crooks, shit is really damn good. Production is really nice.
 
Also, Blackace you live in Japan right? Whats the weed scene out there? I heard (from webehigh.com) thats its crazy expensive and not that popular?

Dude...weed and Japan?! Didn't you see the thread here where a dude is possibly being sent to prison there because his friend mailed him some special brownies?!
 

Throavium

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http://www.egotripland.com/album-cover-madvillain-madvillainy-jeff-jank/

UNCOVERED: The Story Behind Madvillain’s “Madvillainy” (2004) w/ Stones Throw Art Director, Jeff Jank.

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You could quite accurately declare, as folks frequently do, that designer Jeff Jank has been instrumental in expanding the expressive range of how indie hip-hop is visually represented. The longtime Art Director at the revered Stones Throw Records, Jank – via his wonderful album and single sleeve art for the likes of Madlib (and his myriad of creative incarnations, including Quasimoto and Yesterday’s New Quintet), J Dilla, Dudley Perkins, et al – has exhibited as much a talent for creatively paying homage to vintage record designs as forging indelibly original ones. Buoyed by a striking image by photographer Eric Coleman, Jeff’s album cover design for Madlib and kindred enigmatic spirit MF Doom’s classic inaugural collab, Madvillain’s Madvillany, is an essential example of one that actually beautifully bridges both categories. We recently caught up with the man known alternately as Funkaho to discuss the making of the LP and its cover – a process which entailed bartering, bong hits, a bomb shelter, and opportunities to perhaps frighten small children.

What was the original inspiration for the Madvillainy album cover and how did the concept evolve?
Jeff Jank: Back then, 2003, Doom didn’t really have public image. Hip-hop heads knew he wore a mask, that he’d been in KMD a decade earlier, but he really was a mystery. So, I really wanted to get a shot of him on the cover, just to make a definitive Doom cover. Specifically I was thinking of a picture of this man, who happened to wear a mask for some reason, as opposed to “a picture of a mask.” I don’t know if the distinction would occur to anyone else, but to me it was a big deal. I mean, who the hell goes around with a metal mask, what’s his story?

Eric Coleman came over with camera and film and just went to it one day. I don’t remember if we had a shoot planned or if he showed up on the right day. Doom and Madlib can be elusive with photos, so this was a score. We shot them at our house, where the album was being recorded.

I was thinking of the cover for King Crimson’s In the Court of the Crimson King when I was working on this photo that I zeroed in on. I use to check out that big red screaming face on the King Crimson album in my dad’s vinyl [collection] when I was a little kid and it really shook me – I was actually scared looking through his vinyl. I hoped this picture of this guy with a metal mask would do the same to some other 5-year-old somewhere.

Another thing – just sort of a little inside joke of mine – was that the black and white photo [of Doom] reminded me in some way of the first Madonna album cover, just her in black and white – it said “MADONNA” and the “O” was orange. I saw the two pictures side by side and laughed at it like it was some rap version of Beauty & the Beast. So I put a little piece of orange up in the corner, partly because it needed something distinctive, and partly to match the color with Madonna.

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Describe what the environment of working at Stones Throw was like at the time. You guys were all living together in the same house, correct?
Jeff Jank: Yeah, we were all up in this house in east L.A., and I still live there today on my own. [Peanut Butter] Wolf had this sort of bedroom hip-hop DJ label he’d started a few years earlier, and decided to move to L.A. to work closer with Madlib. [Label manager] Egon and I joined up at the same time. It was the three of us just winging it, no plan, no money. Madlib moved in unofficially, first set up shop in the living room, then into this ’50s era bomb shelter downstairs with 18-inch concrete walls. It’s like it was custom made for him – he made music all day on a consistent schedule that really impressed me – all the much more impressive that his three breaks a day were to smoke giant mounds of green bud.

We all just dived right into this as a living ongoing project, 24/7. After doing this for a year or two, one day Madlib said he’d like to work with Doom. Egon knew a guy who knew who knew Doom, and next thing you knew Doom was out too, “Doing bong hits on the roof out in the West Coast,” like he says in the first track he wrote for the album. I really didn’t realize what an idyllic time it was until things got more complicated a few years later.

What do you remember about the process of Madlib and Doom working together, and how did it shape your own ideas of how to present the music?
Jeff Jank: The most important part of their process is simply that Doom understood Madlib right off the bat. He understood where he was coming from with the music, how it connected with the records they listened to from the ’60s-’90s, and Madlib’s inclination to worked on his own in privacy. Doom was all for it.

I often picked up Doom from a hotel each day. We’d hit a liquor store around 10am. He’d write on the back porch, Madlib doing his thing downstairs in the bomb shelter. I don’t know how to say this influenced the artwork other than I was there. Most of the time I was just concerned with the album getting finished. I also had this side hustle with Doom where we did a trade: I made him a painting in exchange for him placing a few challenging key words in the lyrics. Those words shall remain secret, but I’m happy to say he gave a shout out a couple of my cartoon characters Hookie & Baba in the lounge track “Bistro.”

Somewhere along the way, the first demo Doom and Madlib did got leaked on the web, and it really soured the process for them. Both guys just figured they were done with it, on to the next thing. The process of getting them back to work took most of 2003, and the very last parts of the album were much harder than everything else. Right towards the end just about everyone was frustrated, and I ended up being the last guy in the studio doing a some minor edit here and there, which I’d never done before at Stones Throw. I drove home thinking, this is great music, great beat-maker, great emcee, and I got a shout out for my cartoon characters, life is pretty good.

Despite this, I was truly surprised at the love the album got. To this day I see new people discovering and being inspired by this record and I’m really glad I was a part of it. (It even makes the multi-year process of the mythical second album somewhat bearable.)

Being visually and graphically oriented himself did Doom have his own ideas of how he wanted the art to be executed?

Jeff Jank: Although I knew Doom from KMD days, I didn’t know until a little later that Doom had drawn the cover of Black Bastards or had anything to do with visual arts. We talked more about that stuff later, but at the time all I knew was that he was going to be absolutely dead set against using his “face” on the cover. When he came over to check it out one day, his guy Big Ben Klingon just happened to be with him. I lucked out. Doom groaned when he saw a the picture, but Ben instantly got it. He was howling, “Look at this guy, what’s his story?! This is perfect!” We have Ben to thank for the cover.
 

GamerSoul

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Kanye not making College Dropout over and over again is exactly what keeps him relevant, ahead of the curve, and actually, what keeps College Dropout special. I'm not a fan of the mentality that an artist should not evolve and stay doing the same schtick forever until they've reached Curren$y status. Yeah, there's *that* artist that you listen to that doesn't change shit and you'll still eat it up, but those artists are never on the top of my lists. If Graduation was CD pt3, stagnation would have begun.

True, to be able to successfully create so many different concepts and albums is an amazing feat and it reflects his creativity. You can kinda compare his albums to the games in the Legend of Zelda series. (Nerd lulz). Almost everyone can have a different game/album that they love the most.

In the future, I think he should create another album like CD to reflect on how far he has come. I'd like him to go back to that at some point. He should call it Alumni or something.
 

overcast

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Kanye not making College Dropout over and over again is exactly what keeps him relevant, ahead of the curve, and actually, what keeps College Dropout special.
I agree 100%. That's another reason why I respect him so much. He evolves as an artist, and not only that. He does it pretty damn well. Every time he changes, music changes with him. Extremely impressive.
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
I'm such a hypocrite. I give the Beats so much shit, saying they don't sound good enough to warrant the price and it's all branding.

But holy fuck I want some Chambers by RZA.

Dre and Jimmy have started a arms race in the headphones game. Though Beats are winning by a large margin. I have some Beats. Got them in a clearance/outlet deal so the price was not bad at all. I like them, but I would have never paid retail.
 

siddx

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I think it's super illegal out there. Harsh penalties for having it.

Yeah when we lived there back when I was a young un, my father supplemented his income by being an english tutor (and made ridiculous bank doing it because this was before the big push to bring english into local schools, back then there was zero english anywhere). One of his female students got busted with pot and the only reason she didn't get a long jail sentence was because her big wig father got her out of trouble in return for agreeing to marry some ugly but rich and powerful friend of the family.
It was the same way in Indonesia, although it was way easier to get stuff there, my parents who are mega hippies and smoke more weed than anyone I know, were constantly worried about getting busted.
 

Acid08

Banned
Yeah when we lived there back when I was a young un, my father supplemented his income by being an english tutor (and made ridiculous bank doing it because this was before the big push to bring english into local schools, back then there was zero english anywhere). One of his female students got busted with pot and the only reason she didn't get a long jail sentence was because her big wig father got her out of trouble in return for agreeing to marry some ugly but rich and powerful friend of the family.
It was the same way in Indonesia, although it was way easier to get stuff there, my parents who are mega hippies and smoke more weed than anyone I know, were constantly worried about getting busted.

Wow.....
 

siddx

Magnificent Eager Mighty Brilliantly Erect Registereduser
So I caught some song on the radio today, one of those soft white rock songs called all the other kids or some shit. Dude spends the whole song talking about shooting rich kids with nice shoes and it's getting play all over the radio. If it was a rap song you better believe people would be having a fucking hissy fit because some rapper is talking about shooting children. But since its a pop rock song sung by some goofy looking white guys it's fine and dandy.
 

DominoKid

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So I caught some song on the radio today, one of those soft white rock songs called all the other kids or some shit. Dude spends the whole song talking about shooting rich kids with nice shoes and it's getting play all over the radio. If it was a rap song you better believe people would be having a fucking hissy fit because some rapper is talking about shooting children. But since its a pop rock song sung by some goofy looking white guys it's fine and dandy.

ahh you heard pumped up kicks. i cant believe they're popular.
 
that song reminded me of another song by some lame ass band a couple years ago. They have the same generic indie-band voice.

edit: MGMT, I kinda enjoyed their first album but man what a generic voice some of these bands have.
 
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