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[SpeedingUptoStop]

This Gucci tape is great. The vnasty parts can be completely excised without consequence, so I'm looking forward to who ever makes the edit.

 

[DominoKid]

http://i.imgur.com/yOynd.jpg[IMG]
So basically its ok to have shitty 2+2=4 rhymes as long as you sound cool?[/QUOTE]

yeah.

Snoop aint a legend cause he's a good lyricist, that's for damn sure.

i've always thought delivery >>> lyrics. it doesnt matter if youre spittin that lyrical spiritual miracle if you sound like shit. but you can get away with the flip.

 

[Pinko Marx]

yeah.

Snoop aint a legend cause he's a good lyricist, that's for damn sure.

i've always thought delivery >>> lyrics

Someshit you just can't mask with a cool voice and good production.
At the end of the day good lyricism is the backbone to hip-hop music.
I mean, just look at Nas who can't pick beats to save his life LOLOL AMIRITE.
No I'm just joshing ya but srsly.

 

[inspectah derek]

This Gucci tape is great. The vnasty parts can be completely excised without consequence, so I'm looking forward to who ever makes the edit.

Gucci Mane - AYTL (Dumb Bitch Free Edition)

behleeee dat plehboi!

 

[Pinko Marx]

Two of the ugliest nuggas in the game, together at last.

 

[DominoKid]

Someshit you just can't mask with a cool voice and good production.
At the end of the day good lyricism is the backbone to hip-hop music.
I mean, just look at Nas who can't pick beats to save his life LOLOL AMIRITE.
No I'm just joshing ya but srsly.

i suspect this will ruffle some feathers but imo lyricism being the key determinant is an outdated paradigm. in all honesty, that's probably the least important these days.

i cant really pinpoint a specific time, but i clearly remember at some point the measuring stick flipped from having the illest lyrics to having the illest flows*

i especially remember this being one of the keys in the rise of Lil Wayne as a respected rapper even though i freely admit he was largely spitting a bunch of gibberish with some memorable, quirky quotes dispersed about.

*(sn: maybe when the south took over? i could go off on a whole nother tangent here because i think thats the crux of the whole "the south fucked up rap" thing. to us a voice is a much a percussive instrument as it is a tool for lyrical verse.)

(sn 2: while i think Nas could pick better beats, i think its clear he picks beats that take a backseat to his lyrics. he's working on that outdated paradigm i mentioned earlier. this is why you have some folks that think Nas is still making great albums, and some folks that think that a large portion of his album discography is garbage.)

 

[Esch]

Not really. I'd say a great deal of hip hop listeners don't care nearly as much about lyrics as one would think, based on the fact that hip hop is so slangy and incomprehensibly delivered at times to be undecipherable to the average American, let alone people in other parts of the world. I rarely myself care for lyrics that much apart from the occasional bon mot, because legitimately good lyrics in ANY form of music are pretty rare.... A lot of the hip hop acts that try and base a good deal of their game around lyrical complexity end up falling pretty flat on their face conceptually(lupe), or end up thinking that they can just string hypertechnical SUPER LYRICAL MYTHICAL SADISTICAL TWISTICAL bullshit together.

Hip hop thrives on the hypnosis of a good beat and delivery above all.

Agreed Domino.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Gucci Mane - AYTL (Dumb Bitch Free Edition)

behleeee dat plehboi!

You are my best friend now.

 

[DominoKid]

Not really. I'd say a great deal of hip hop listeners don't care nearly as much about lyrics as one would think, based on the fact that hip hop is so slangy and incomprehensibly delivered at times to be undecipherable to the average American, let alone people in other parts of the world. I rarely myself care for lyrics that much apart from the occasional bon mot, because legitimately good lyrics in ANY form of music are pretty rare.... A lot of the hip hop acts that try and base a good deal of their game around lyrical complexity end up falling pretty flat on their face conceptually(lupe), or end up thinking that they can just string hypertechnical SUPER LYRICAL MYTHICAL SADISTICAL TWISTICAL bullshit together.

Hip hop thrives on the hypnosis of a good beat and delivery above all.

Agreed Domino.

while you mention Lupe, I've always felt like he'd do well to dumb it down a bit. he's a great lyricist but just goes off into some abstract nebulas sometimes that you'd need RapGenius to follow. he gets real masturbatory with it at times. I mean Failure's incredible, but its lyrical to the point where there's really no benefit other than him showing off how good he can rap. and that's cool.

i KNOW Lupe can flow. but for some reason he's just jumped off the deep end into his own brain.

 

[Macca]

Really depends on the type of music. A slower song isn't anything without the lyricism to back it up, whereas hype music nobody gives a fuck.

 

[RPS37]

Mac Miller took over twitter.

 

[enzo_gt]

Gucci Mane - AYTL (Dumb Bitch Free Edition)

behleeee dat plehboi!

lmfao someone shop in some birds quick. QUICK.

SUMMON THE BIRDS

 

[Tokubetsu]

Wiz does his soft Kush and OJ recall and shit, it's decent...But why not come out with a Devin and Devin tape. Devin the Dude fathered all these weed rap cats anyway, and only Spitta really acknowledges it.

Sad fact is, if they droped a tape like that tomorrow, reaction of 98% of people would be "Who the fuck is Devin The Dude?"

 

[siddx]

Snoop has been phoning it in on everything post doggystyle, save for when he's working with Dre who seems to be able to get the best out of him. Snoop coasts by on charisma, a great voice, and a good ear for production... but he isn't exactly the most impressive rapper around. Still count myself as a fan though.

 

[enzo_gt]

Snoop has been phoning it in on everything post doggystyle, save for when he's working with Dre who seems to be able to get the best out of him. Snoop coasts by on charisma, a great voice, and a good ear for production... but he isn't exactly the most impressive rapper around. Still count myself as a fan though.

Rick Ross follows this exact Snoop model and look where it's got him. He'll reach his phoning-in-verses-relevant-whilst-mediocre-stage one day as well.

 

[Tokubetsu]

Rick Ross follows this exact Snoop model and look where it's got him. He'll reach his phoning-in-verses-stage one day as well.

I expect this next album, "God Forgives, I don't" to be Ross' plateau. He was kinda hitting it on Teflon Don but I think he can get just a little bit higher.

 

[Macca]

Snoop has been phoning it in on everything post doggystyle, save for when he's working with Dre who seems to be able to get the best out of him. Snoop coasts by on charisma, a great voice, and a good ear for production... but he isn't exactly the most impressive rapper around. Still count myself as a fan though.

I wonder how many A grade Snoop verses Dre has in his vaults from the Detox sessions. It's kinda sad.

 

[Recon]

Its hard not to be a Snoop fan. The guy just seems extremely likable. Plus, he made Doggystyle.

 

[Blackace]

Rick Ross follows this exact Snoop model and look where it's got him. He'll reach his phoning-in-verses-relevant-whilst-mediocre-stage one day as well.

i think Rick kills a lot of tracks.. While Snoop just gets by.. but the dude is like 40 rapping about blazing all day like a teenager still..

 

[Blackace]

I wonder how many A grade Snoop verses Dre has in his vaults from the Detox sessions. It's kinda sad.

Snoop had a lot of stuff written for him.. would like to see the DOC or Cube ghost write for him..

 

[Recon]

i think Rick kills a lot of tracks.. While Snoop just gets by.. but the dude is like 40 rapping about blazing all day like a teenager still..

You rap about what you know. I still rap about girls from my youth.... :-(

 

[Macca]

Snoop had a lot of stuff written for him.. would like to see the DOC or Cube ghost write for him..

Who wrote his 2001 stuff? I think that's right up there with his Doggystyle music as his best.

 

[Blackace]

So basically its ok to have shitty 2+2=4 rhymes as long as you sound cool?

Worked for Audio Two..

 

[Blackace]

Who wrote his 2001 stuff? I think that's right up there with his Doggystyle music as his best.

JAY Z wrote Still Dre..

Em ghost wrote as well...

Royce 5'9",Knocturnal, Xzibit

People say it was only Dre's parts but just like the DOC wrote most of the Chronic and parts of Doggystlye with Daz and Kurupt I am pretty sure some of that crew wrote for him as well

 

[DominoKid]

Gucci Mane - AYTL (Dumb Bitch Free Edition)

behleeee dat plehboi!

dont tease me. i got mad excited when i saw Gucci & Birdman on the same cover.

Really depends on the type of music. A slower song isn't anything without the lyricism to back it up, whereas hype music nobody gives a fuck.

Maybe it's just from my own personal experience with recording slower songs, but I've always felt like my delivery had to be even more on point than usual because you cant hide behind the beat. You really have to find your flow in the spaces of the beat. On faster songs this kind of takes care of itself. But on slower songs its a bit of a blank canvas and your imagination can run wild. There's a decent Curren$y interview on P4K where he talks about something like this (I love the Army Beats term lol).

Rick Ross follows this exact Snoop model and look where it's got him. He'll reach his phoning-in-verses-relevant-whilst-mediocre-stage one day as well.

RAWSE used to be mad generic with it, but it's kinda hard to deny that he's has gotten a fuckload better as a rapper with each release. honestly i'd say he's one of the best doing it right now.

 

[Macca]

Maybe it's just from my own personal experience with recording slower songs, but I've always felt like my delivery had to be even more on point than usual because you cant hide behind the beat. You really have to find your flow in the spaces of the beat. On faster songs this kind of takes care of itself. But on slower songs its a bit of a blank canvas and your imagination can run wild. There's a decent Curren$y interview on P4K where he talks about something like this (I love the Army Beats term lol).

Oh dude I agree. I'm saying with slower songs you can't just rely on the beat, you need both good lyrics and good delivery. Whereas with hype music neither is as important.

 

[DominoKid]

ah. gotcha.

 

[enzo_gt]

i think Rick kills a lot of tracks.. While Snoop just gets by.. but the dude is like 40 rapping about blazing all day like a teenager still..

I'm just sayin, Snoop had the same phase too where everything he dropped was dope as fuck and you could bop your head to anything on that doggy dogg flow. Ross needs something to do once people wake up and realize he's been reusing the same JUSTICE League beats for the past few years.

I call myself a Snoop fan even though I do not enjoy most of the shit he puts out nowadays.

 

[Macca]

I call myself a Snoop fan even though I do not enjoy most of the shit he puts out nowadays.

Hell yea, I do too. I mean shit, haven't fully listened to probably over half of his albums, but damn if a lot of the tracks he has put out aren't classics.

 

[siddx]

I wasn't a fan of Rick Ross until recently. He's stepped his game way the fuck up over the last year and a half or so. It's like the whole 50 "beef" inspired him or something cause ever since then he's been improving like crazy.

 

[Throavium]

I wasn't a fan of Rick Ross until recently. He's stepped his game way the fuck up over the last year and a half or so. It's like the whole 50 "beef" inspired him or something cause ever since then he's been improving like crazy.

It's surprising that he kept rapping even after 50 dogged him.

 

[DominoKid]

Waka/Montana tape is pretty sick.

It drags for the first 4 tracks. Well, the intro is kinda clever, so 2-4.

But it comes alive at 5 and rolls until the end.

It's like they we're trying to meet each other in the middle and realized it wouldn't work so they were like "fuck it" and just started doing their own thing again.

 

[Discotheque]

Yeah I'm actually looking forward to God Forgives, I Don't.

Oh and gat-damn at that Shinobi/Toku shit. That's some old school Wu shit.

 

[overcast]

while you mention Lupe, I've always felt like he'd do well to dumb it down a bit. he's a great lyricist but just goes off into some abstract nebulas sometimes that you'd need RapGenius to follow. he gets real masturbatory with it at times. I mean Failure's incredible, but its lyrical to the point where there's really no benefit other than him showing off how good he can rap. and that's cool.

i KNOW Lupe can flow. but for some reason he's just jumped off the deep end into his own brain.

I think lyrics are the most important aspect. Personally that's what keeps me coming back to a song or album. Of course it can't be all lyrical, that would be overwhelming. The artist needs to be able to put a decent song together (beats, flow, lyrics). Which I believe Lupe did masterfully in his early years. I personally just can't listen to something like Finally Famous just because of the production.. it gets boring.

Both those songs you posted are great of course.

 

[enzo_gt]

It's surprising that he kept rapping even after 50 dogged him.

Seriously.. I thought Ross was done after that expose of grand proportions. Actually, I'm still not even sure how he weaseled his way out of that controversy and became more relevant than 50 even. The way Ross handled it too was pretty poor, he said all the wrong things.

 

[Jay Sosa]

I wasn't a fan of Rick Ross until recently. He's stepped his game way the fuck up over the last year and a half or so. It's like the whole 50 "beef" inspired him or something cause ever since then he's been improving like crazy.

Probably a new ghostwriter.

And it might sound crazy but I liked simple Ross much better, just like I enjoyed early Jeezy more than the new improved one. Maybe I just don't like change.

Seriously.. I thought Ross was done after that expose of grand proportions. Actually, I'm still not even sure how he weaseled his way out of that controversy and became more relevant than 50 even. The way Ross handled it too was pretty poor, he said all the wrong things.

Cause people were tired of 50 (and still are). They basically switched roles from the Ja Rule beef. He was the successful poppy artists and Ross was the underdog. And thankfully people don't care about "real" anymore so no one gives a fuck that Ross is just a made up character.

 

[Recon]

Seriously.. I thought Ross was done after that expose of grand proportions. Actually, I'm still not even sure how he weaseled his way out of that controversy and became more relevant than 50 even. The way Ross handled it too was pretty poor, he said all the wrong things.

It had more to do with 50 not being as relevant as he once was. Remember when 50 killed Ja's career? That wasnt because he was exposing anything, it was because 50 was the biggest name in rap, backed by Dre and Eminem. It just wasnt cool to like Ja anymore. 50's popularity had diminished a great deal by the time the Rick Ross beef happened.

 

[Macca]

And Rick Ross just kept making good music. I'm sure there's a lot of people buying Rick Ross records who don't even know about the beef.

 

[CRS]

I wonder what the percentage of the people that buy CDs do it JUST from radio/BET/MTV and have no knowledge about beefs/drama/etc. Is there anything on TV that covers it?

 

[Discotheque]

I dunno I'd imagine a lot of hip hop fans are aware of it. I remember early high school years how everybody was going on about the whole G-UNOT shit.

and then some dork got a t-shirt after nobody cared anymore lol.

 

[Recon]

I wonder what the percentage of the people that buy CDs do it JUST from radio/BET/MTV and have no knowledge about beefs/drama/etc. Is there anything on TV that covers it?

Everyone knew about the 50/Ja beef. It just depends on who is beefing with who.

 

[DominoKid]

Everybody knows about Officer Ricky.

And for a minute his career was legitimately on the ropes.

But nobody cared once that 1-2 punch of MC Hammer & BMF dropped.

 

[WanderingWind]

i think Rick kills a lot of tracks.. While Snoop just gets by.. but the dude is like 40 rapping about blazing all day like a teenager still..

Man, he probably still does blaze everyday. That shit ain't reserved for teenagers. Willie Nelson still bales everyday. Adults are the ones actually doing that shit because they got the money to do it.

 

[DominoKid]

Probably a new ghostwriter.

And it might sound crazy but I liked simple Ross much better, just like I enjoyed early Jeezy more than the new improved one. Maybe I just don't like change.

Jeezy sucks ass at being a rich rapper. Somehow he manages to get worse and worse.

There's no way he could make something this good right now.

5 straight minutes of that raw dopeboy spit. This shit still cracks me up

You wanna see my bank statement; I got no problems with that
300 thousand you know I'm smarter than that
I been dodging the alphabet boys all my life
So you gonna need more than a child support lawyer (yep, listen up)
I got some child support for you,
Get off your ass bitch and get you a job
Tell your other 3 baby daddy's to sell dope or rob
My son got everything in this world that I never had
So one thing you can't call me is a deadbeat dad (nope)
When you're the one that shoulda been exposed
Unfit mother still playin withcha nose
And I don't wanna tell my child that his moms aint shit
And this aint about him she just a money hungry bitch

In a perfect world he would've been a one-album (TM101, indisputable classic) wonder

 

[IrishNinja]

Snoop used to be lyrical. go back to Shiznit & his doggystyle shit, or 187um and his earlier dre work. but wiz is on that same tip - why not phone shit in and burn all day if you can?

Wu-Tang and Odd Future crews are headlining Paid Dues 2012.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=2O7GdJdrsV4&v=2O7GdJdrsV4&gl=US

yup, nowhere near me, of course. id go for both.

The best thing spike lee's ever been involved in

never heard this, thanks esh.

Sample of my beat tape/upcoming album. Produce by me, Toku and Yang Zse.

http://hulkshare.com/e69sygxa03aj

http://hulkshare.com/bxkbbmc6jmc3

Dropping next week. First track is hard, second one is chill. Final mix is going to be a little different, enjoy and DL.

jumping on this now! HYPE

Whoa what?

*checks wild*

WE'VE GOT A LIVE ONE

OH SHIT

Mac & Dev: Snoop's mid-life crisis?

i thought that at first too (from the OST) but he's kinda living that shit, like ace said.

I'll wait for Common's album to come out, that rip sounds bad

FUCK.

i been thinkin...no id joints have been great this year. he might get the PotY for the common album and cocaine 80s and random shit like Primetime

yeah, im having a hard time thinking of someone more deserving this year. i saw the case made last page for Ye though.

 

[Esch]

never heard this, thanks esh..

I listened to a fuckload of Premo beats today while i was writing a paper and its been stuck in my head. Got it off this video here, man is greatness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youm845zkS0


wouldnt be my personal list but its a nice 'highlight'

 

[Stat Flow]

That common is so good. If only there was a HQ rip...that's okay. I'll be picking my copy up on Tuesday.

 

[OG Kush]

Yall are forgetting that Hip Hop started out as party music. Just a DJ spinnin breaks and then the MC came along and used his raps and flow to get the people movin. As long as it rhymed and the flow was good, that was the main concern. Obviously hip hop has evolved a lot since then, but I actually HATE it when people say shit like "Lil wayne (or whoever) ain't real hip hop!". The guys making party music, thats what Hip Hop was originally.

 

[exarkun]

damn, just heard that sleazy track with all of their verses on it...damn the beat is fucking sick.

Also, everything I've heard from T.I since he got out has made me realize I missed him. Trap Muzik!

 

[Blackace]

It's surprising that he kept rapping even after 50 dogged him.

A snitch beefing with a cop isnt that street