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Ken Masters
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Complex Shadow said:
why would they? Common is known by more then internet heads
Its honestly come to a point where i disregard someones post if they use the term "soft" as a description. In my opinion it shows ignorance and/or stupidity. Is Wiz garbage? Yes, soft? No, just because he chooses to rap about women, thats fine. Music has been about females for ages. Problems with women is something most men have in common.
What I'm saying is, there is a distinction, but it's not related to quality of music. Recon dislikes these terms because he can't make that distinction. The concepts exist, and you can distinguish people who are hard and soft from their subject matter. Kendricks never lifted a gun in his life, the line is a metaphor, something artists of every genre use to try and convey shit.Tguy said:
I guess it's cause soft has a negative connotation, perhaps in a dismissive sense, but I look at it more as an image and subject matter. Rapper's images in general are highly polarizing, that's why we have these terms in the first place. But if they're used to distinguish two different "kinds" of music, that more ignorant kind of careless party music, and say deeper, more introspective stuff, then I can see their application. If there are better synonyms for this distinction that remove the connotation, I'm all for it, but good luck forcefully removing lingo from the culture. Maybe you can keep the words instead and change the connotation. Most of the time soft is thrown around just to describe someone who's trying to be someone they're not.
Cant speak for anyone else, but for me soft isn't when a rapper talks about emotions or women. I have no problem with that, I mean shit I'm an atmosphere fan. Soft is when they talk about women in a boring, uninteresting, stereotypical way that says nothing but "I figured out that selling music to women is what will get me rich." Roll up is soft as fuck. It's an anthem to being pussy whipped by a gold digging whore. 90% of Drake's songs are soft as fuck, just him mumbling on the mic about how much he wants to suck some girls toes and buy her dinner. It's pointless bullshit that makes the rapper seem pathetic. If your going to talk about emotions or girls, how about not talking about it like a 13 year old girl would. Lamar managed to on his album.
enzo_gt said:
I dislike the term because of what it implies. I understand the use of the word. I understand it is not necessarily being dismissive. Smarten up kid. I call bullshit on the word because it is used negatively 90% if the time. If you arent using it negatively, then fine, but just because you believe in your head that you are using it correctly doesnt mean that translates to others that way. It is all about how the word is perceived in the hip hop community. As it stands right now, being called soft is generally used as an insult. Case in point, Big Ghost blog and all his fan girls.
I'm aware it has a negative connotation, that's why I mentioned it, but at that then I'm not sure why you take an issue with my view on the word if the best you can do is trying to change the connotation unless there is some sort of master plan to get everyone to suddenly stop using it. Lingo in hip hop never dies, it just takes a back seat and reemerges a few years later.ReconYoda said:
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When I think about soft I think about a rapper who pushes no boundaries, just cookie cutter stuff that is uninteresting/boring.
It's not about someone who doesn't talk about killing people and being a drug lord or whatever, it's more about just putting out music that comes off as safe.
For example, 808s from Kanye to me isn't soft, he pushes boundaries and went for an interesting direction whether people thought it was good or bad.
Other spectrum, the new Drake. Nothing interesting, some decent tracks but very safe and a lot of repeating. Some tracks are so damn identical. Definition to me of a soft album.
It's not about someone who doesn't talk about killing people and being a drug lord or whatever, it's more about just putting out music that comes off as safe.
For example, 808s from Kanye to me isn't soft, he pushes boundaries and went for an interesting direction whether people thought it was good or bad.
Other spectrum, the new Drake. Nothing interesting, some decent tracks but very safe and a lot of repeating. Some tracks are so damn identical. Definition to me of a soft album.
enzo_gt said:
Well, the word Faggot is dying off. Super prevalent in the 90's and early 00's. Now, not so much except with artists from that era. Things do change. The thing is, there is nothing positive with the word soft, so its hard to change its connotation. I understand where you are coming from, but i just do not think it will work.
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Hey great great album about women that I think is really well done. That Tiron & Ayomari A Sucker for Pumps
Edit: To me, soft, is basically what Siddix said, so that's why it was kind of hard for me to believe you think that Kendrick Lamar is soft(Though, I know you were trying to make a point), enzo in case you were wondering.
Edit: To me, soft, is basically what Siddix said, so that's why it was kind of hard for me to believe you think that Kendrick Lamar is soft(Though, I know you were trying to make a point), enzo in case you were wondering.
Yeah it isn't easy, but otherwise I don't see any way it will just go away. Shit is kind of ingrained, to the point where plenty of people outside of hip hop use it casually. Maybe the fact that discussion is taking place is a testament to change. A year or two ago and I'm pretty sure soft was a purely negative term.ReconYoda said:
Like I said, most of my favorite artists are soft. Maybe the increasing amount of successful "soft" rappers will change the connotation in itself.
@Tguy, I would also say that discrepancy in definitions may be some indication of change. I just don't group KL in category A alongside others I place that label on, he's far closer to category B to me.
Yeah. The subjects of women, sex, or emotional relationships are not off limits by any means. If you're gonna do it though, you gotta stay away from vapid crap as much as possible. The same goes for 'hard' shit too, if you're gonna talk gangbanging at least try and work some imagery or storytelling or cleverness into it.siddx said:
Drake's shit is embarassing, self pity 1st world problems shit i aint tryna hear.
ChldRebelSoldr said:
YES
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Ken Masters said:
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You know what, 90% of rappers are fucking idiots anyways. Either soft, fake, ignorant, or all three. They are full of shit, lie like children, act like children, and sometimes look like children too. A lot of shit that goes on in hip hop is embarrassing as fuck. Sometimes I feel like i'm one of those people who fall in love with a partner who is just a massive dumb fuck and you know everyone wants to know why you put up with her stupid backwoods halfway retarded ass and all you can say is "well...sometimes she's awesome" because sometimes she really is. But most of the time....
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Action Bronson
That Jet Life album
Mobb Deep
Schoolboy Q(Possible)
Those are the ones I think of off the top of my head.
That Jet Life album
Mobb Deep
Schoolboy Q(Possible)
Those are the ones I think of off the top of my head.
EschatonDX said:
For some reason my gut tells me Ghostface won't give this project the effort is deserves.
MorisUkunRasik said:
It's good. It's a posse album, so it's not cohesive. Just a collection of singles. It's pretty solid. If you can catch it on Amazon for like $5 it would be worth it. Tupac Back and 600 Benz are the best songs on the album FWIW.
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RBelong2Us said:
muther fuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!
my most anticipated album of the year pushed back a month, ouch
enzo_gt said:
You keep missing my usage of the word. I wouldn't consider Kendrick soft at all. I can't even fully enjoy the proper usage of it anymore because most the people using are doing it wrong, and most the people complaining about it are doing it wrong.
Regarding Gangsta Boo, she put on Drumma Boy and still carries some clout in the south.
Blackace said:
mofos been spending money on ass since the beginning of time.
whether you straight up tricking, or buying these women food and shit, its all the same to me.
shit i took a chick to dinner (paying for ass indirectly) last week cause i was trying to fuck but it's soft if i mention it in a song?
nah i cant ride w/ that.
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Like what? Which part is so "soft"? Dude hasn't said he's going to kill anyone. He said he has a tough life, which is completely believable. I had a pretty tough life, but I didn't necessarily grow up in the ghetto. His subject matter does not indicate that he's "soft".kamspy said:
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