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GAF-HOP: New Official 2010+ Thread of "hiphop ain't dead"
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Pinko Marx
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MMaRsu said:
You don't understand how someone could put Eminem's most popular album over his other, not-most popular albums?
ShinobiFist
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I imagine you saying that while moving like your gif, lol.HiResDes said:
I'd really love a list of rappers that are even in the same league as Em, and some reasons why. :lol
Nas, Rakim, Hov, Biggie, KRS-One, Kool-G, BDK, Reggie, 3k? I'm sure you could make a great argument for most of these, but how many of them have the raw talent and success of Em?
Em's only blemish is two mediocre albums that he released, and the only rapper on that list that didn't have some equally mediocre albums is Biggie.
Nas, Rakim, Hov, Biggie, KRS-One, Kool-G, BDK, Reggie, 3k? I'm sure you could make a great argument for most of these, but how many of them have the raw talent and success of Em?
Em's only blemish is two mediocre albums that he released, and the only rapper on that list that didn't have some equally mediocre albums is Biggie.
Pinko Marx
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hyduK said:
Well you pretty much just named them all.
I'm kidding, kinda.
That's understandable. I'm not saying he's the undisputable, leagues above the next, best rapper of all time. I just feel that no one can put up a good argument as to why he wouldn't be in the same league, or very close to, the person they consider GOAT. There's very few rappers with the credentials of Em, and most people who say he isn't one of the best cite Relapse and Encore...then talk about Nas and Hov as if they don't have numerous mediocre albums.HiResDes said:
Aesop is my favorite artist by far, as most people in this thread know by now, but I wouldn't say he's a better rapper than Em.
Qwel is by far best white rapper. I believe that so strongly, I wouldn't even consider it debatable (okay, maybe not that strongly). His variety and talent as an artist/thinker/performer are paralleled by few, IMO.
I'm not going to make any arguments regarding Em as the general GOAT, I think that's just crazy. He's made 3 great albums that were the product of a perfect social storm and was an underground beast, but people have long surpassed him in terms of creativity and technical rhyme capabilities.
This isn't the early new-millennium anymore. Mainstream success doesn't validate greatness in my eyes. Sorry.
Qwel is by far best white rapper. I believe that so strongly, I wouldn't even consider it debatable (okay, maybe not that strongly). His variety and talent as an artist/thinker/performer are paralleled by few, IMO.
I'm not going to make any arguments regarding Em as the general GOAT, I think that's just crazy. He's made 3 great albums that were the product of a perfect social storm and was an underground beast, but people have long surpassed him in terms of creativity and technical rhyme capabilities.
This isn't the early new-millennium anymore. Mainstream success doesn't validate greatness in my eyes. Sorry.
hyduK said:
I am a big em fan. Huge. I was clued in to him just after infinite and I picked up the Slim Shady EP and was blown away. I have owned every album since and have found enjoyment in even the weaker albums.
But those four above are all superior rappers who have made better music than Eminem.
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DominoKid said:
I totally agree.
How could I not. I saw that someone said Pusha T is not the best part of Clipse. I disagree. Because of stuff like this:
* That's from a dancehall song called Burrup by Nardo Ranks. So fringe. Se awesome.
I've always thought that was so freaking deadly. And he's not changed up his style to meet any kind of consumer demand or something. Going crossover - just not his plan. He's still wickedly talented.
spindashing
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Gave Common's Resurrection a listen recently after many many years, what a great album. Anyone who only knows Common from "Be" forward needs to get this album NOW, I used to love LWFC more but its not even close, LWFC is a very good album, but Resurrection is a classic.
hyduK said:
There's a ton of variety in Qwel. I'd start with his posse albums 'Typical Cats' and 'Civil Service', which essentially present 'posse/battle' Qwel. Good way to ease into him.
'Typical Cats' Tracks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvheiYH1L4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZi548saT1M&feature=related
'Civil Service' Tracks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMe-gIc1dI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0pvd-iZ19I
His solo albums are all concept albums and very substantial in terms of theme and content. 'Owl' and 'So Be It' being the easiest to digest.
These are my favorites regarding his solos.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22002205&postcount=4861
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22144264&postcount=5194
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Just a thought, I want to see if you guys feel this way too. Sorry if I go long.
Live music, in just about every genre, pretty much sounds incredible, and is an incredible experience. That's why we all go.
It can bring people to tears - I've seen it happen. Not only with crazed young women going berzerk over NKOTB. In one case at a show, featuring a pretty hardcore dancehall reggae artist named Sizzla - the man sat down on a stool in the middle of an otherwise wild show, and did a very minimalistic version of his song No Pain. Kick drum, and his acoustic guitar were the only things being played. This song is already quite minimalistic, and very beautiful. I saw 2 women bawling, standing, barely dancing, bawling. I saw a man tears dripping down his face - big tough looking guy - he could have squished me. The song gives me chills every time I hear it, including when i just went and got that link. Now, granted that song is known as one of his best songs of all time, but done live like that made it one of the most memorable live music experiences I've had. The rest of the show was super hype.
So if done right, in a small enough venue, that can be the most absolutely awesome thing with a wide swath of genres and I've been lucky enough to see some great shows live; mainstream bands, soloists, metal, vocalist + drum machine, instrumental - everything.
And it just occurred to me...
WHY is live rap almost always terrible?
I love rap, but I can never understand why in a large, loud venue, it tends to be terrible, barely resembling the original and not hold a candle to the studio original (whereas in other genres the reverse is true). It seems to me that rap requires a very controlled live environment to sound right when played live (in other words, if its the MTV music awards/Grammys - its very carefully constructed and beamed to our living rooms with no distortion). By now I would have thought they'd have worked out a way to sound better than they do in smaller venues - 2000-4000 people, kind of thing for instance.
Any thoughts?
Live music, in just about every genre, pretty much sounds incredible, and is an incredible experience. That's why we all go.
It can bring people to tears - I've seen it happen. Not only with crazed young women going berzerk over NKOTB. In one case at a show, featuring a pretty hardcore dancehall reggae artist named Sizzla - the man sat down on a stool in the middle of an otherwise wild show, and did a very minimalistic version of his song No Pain. Kick drum, and his acoustic guitar were the only things being played. This song is already quite minimalistic, and very beautiful. I saw 2 women bawling, standing, barely dancing, bawling. I saw a man tears dripping down his face - big tough looking guy - he could have squished me. The song gives me chills every time I hear it, including when i just went and got that link. Now, granted that song is known as one of his best songs of all time, but done live like that made it one of the most memorable live music experiences I've had. The rest of the show was super hype.
So if done right, in a small enough venue, that can be the most absolutely awesome thing with a wide swath of genres and I've been lucky enough to see some great shows live; mainstream bands, soloists, metal, vocalist + drum machine, instrumental - everything.
And it just occurred to me...
WHY is live rap almost always terrible?
I love rap, but I can never understand why in a large, loud venue, it tends to be terrible, barely resembling the original and not hold a candle to the studio original (whereas in other genres the reverse is true). It seems to me that rap requires a very controlled live environment to sound right when played live (in other words, if its the MTV music awards/Grammys - its very carefully constructed and beamed to our living rooms with no distortion). By now I would have thought they'd have worked out a way to sound better than they do in smaller venues - 2000-4000 people, kind of thing for instance.
Any thoughts?
Better white rapper? How about Invincible?
awesomeapproved said:
Because most rappers get on stage with 50 other dudes and just scream. There are some exceptions though. Atmosphere puts on a mind blowing show. Slug is one of the most amazing live performers in music period.
Also, as the year closes I need to pimp out a mixtape that people seemed to ignore.
Kooley High - Eastern Standard Time
Its free, its great. It's not going to change your life or anything but its a very very solid album that deserves everyone's time.
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Funny you mention it, I was going to say hype men may play the key role in ruining it.
Good point.
Good point.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Great. B.o.B.'s Grand Hustle song ruined by Young Dro's voice.
Knux-Future
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
....... you son of a bitch.
Dro only makes songs better.
POLO POLO POLO
MorisUkunRasik
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Regarding the Eminem talk previously on this page; Eminem is obviously talented, but he can go fuck himself. I'll listen to some of his stuff occasionally, I got all his albums and there's some absolute gold in his catalog, but he's a giant douche idiot who I refuse to respect. When he finally comes to his senses and apologizes for his blatant homophobic lyrics I'll reconsider, but until then he's a joke to me.
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^^ What he said ^^MorisUkunRasik said:
MorisUkunRasik
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harSon said:
That's the hardest part to trying to get my gf into more hip hop artists.
Eminem isn't homophobic. He is an attention whore and he found out that making fun of the gay community gets him endless press and attention. One can be ignorant and/or mean spirited without also being racist, sexist or homophobic.
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siddx said:
This is possible.
But that train of thought also may ask:
Do you think that he also faked his suicide for publicity?
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Acquired a pill habit that nearly killed him for publicity?
He's a white-ass-white rapper. THAT'S the publicity. He's one of only a few celebrities that I would go out of my way not to shake hands - and I am an old fashioned "oh my God I shook their hand" kind of fella. I've shaken hands with Shigeru Miyamoto, Beenie Man, Story Musgrave (Shuttle astronaut), George Carlin, Bret Saberhagen, and my hero (aside from Pop) David Rodigan. Skip to the 3 min mark on that.
MorisUkunRasik
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siddx said:
Hate speech to express your hate or hate speech to increase sales is all the same to me. He didn't need the attention, he was a white protege to Dre who had undeniable talent.
awesomeapproved said:
He is a piece of trailer trash with mental and emotional issues who became a millionaire. Thats why he tried to kill himself and got a pill habit.
If you are determined to not shake hands with homophobes you shouldn't have shaken hands with Beenie Man as he is more homophibic than any rapper you could think of.
MorisUkunRasik said:
They aren't the same thing and pretending they are is just as detrimental to the gay community's fight for equality as the slurs themselves. They both should be addressed but painting them as the same thing is foolish.
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siddx said:
I know what you mean by that. Beenie Man isn't the worst of the bunch - by a mile. You might be thinking of Buju Banton or Shabba Ranks who have both been in deep trouble in the US for the homophobic speech. I really am embarrassed for dancehall because they've not walked away from that stuff. There's less of it, but totally there if you scratch at the surface enough.
Actually its the violence, hate speech, shrill voice combo that makes me not want to shake Eminem's hand.
I get ya though.
(actually some years back there was a huge cluster of rumors that Beenie Man himself was gay)
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siddx said:
Pretending to be homophobic or actually being homophobic, which he probably is, aren't all that different. Tell me how his words, if he doesn't actually mean them cause any less harm than when he does. And please stop with the, me believing that is just as bad as homophobic slurs, gtfo with that bullshit.
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