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GAF-HOP: New Official 2010+ Thread of "hiphop ain't dead"
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Complex Shadow
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oh wow i was just listening to hell of a life. also its been a while since gaf-hop had a good *artist* vs every other artist debate, good stuff.HiResDes said:
but but but... 50 is good, but also incredibly lazy.Blackace said:
lol should post the kanye mos def freestyles
kanye is was more successful than def... its an argument that will break. every. single. time.
kanye is getting better but hes just a good rapper and a great producer. em is tired, everyone prefers his older stuff but using the argument against busta you could compare ems success to kanyes
its a no contest
kanye is was more successful than def... its an argument that will break. every. single. time.
kanye is getting better but hes just a good rapper and a great producer. em is tired, everyone prefers his older stuff but using the argument against busta you could compare ems success to kanyes
its a no contest
cj_iwakura
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Serious question, hip-hop GAF; how do you feel about the Korean hip-hop movement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26pP6rTuR8E
I think they have a lot of talent coming out of there, especially in production.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26pP6rTuR8E
I think they have a lot of talent coming out of there, especially in production.
Complex Shadow
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joke post?cj_iwakura said:
cj_iwakura
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No, quite serious. If it's a sore subject, feel free to ignore.
cj_iwakura
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Well, a lot of Korean rappers are bi-lingual; that's the basis of the Movement Crew, to make K-hiphop known globally.
Complex Shadow
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k-hiphop > k-ye?HiResDes said:
cj_iwakura
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Just asking.
Complex Shadow
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its cool, its just that not many people can relate to k-hip hop, or any other hip hop.cj_iwakura said:
I agree with you here. Drought 3 was the shit. Odd cause 6'7' is pretty much mixtape Wayne on an uptempo beat.kamspy said:
& Whoa GAF-Hop standing up for Kanye West? This is a change! Sure to be short-lived though.
His lyrics aren't even close to the hyperbolic "terrible" quality you speak of. Kanye went into overdrive in 2010. Not only are his albums chock full of relatable concepts and ideas (you know, outside of the bullshit raps people try to single out against him, like Kanye's the only rapper of the sort to delve in bullshit raps from time to time.. right), but even the bullshit raps are pretty good. I think people are still on that "oh he's just a producer-rapper" tip. He's not as technically skilled, but that's not the intent. Like I said before, he puts the goddamn music first before trying to be the next Rakim.
Busta murders most MCs including Ye.. and did body H.A.M. like no one else. But that doesn't change the fact that I enjoy the content and delivery of Ye's raps more than all of Busta's. Kanye's on my top 10 MCs to listen to, not because of his ability to twist words into tornadoes of lyricism, but the content of his shit. In fact, today I had Never Let Me Down and Family Business on repeat for a good 20 minutes.
Oh and Awards don't mean shit in a subjective kind of topic like music. Don't bring reviews in here either cause music reviews don't mean jack shit.
Because rich people can't have problems, right? Did you miss the 2009 Kanye West exodus?Detox said:
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
enzo_gt said:
Yo you feel what says that's cool. But trying to pan him as a better rapper than most is a laughable... I don't try to pretend like my favorite rapper is better than a lot of the top dogs just because I connect with him the best. Ye isn't Dre bad but he isn't that clever nor is he that skilled at delivery.. He is very talented producer who is a very capable rapper which makes him special..
Blackace
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HiResDes said:
That's pretty much how I view him. He is great great producer. Not the best, but top tier.. And doesn't make A song bad like Jazze Pha..
He is talented and in a class of producing and rapping together few can say..
Talent levels (not market power) off the top of my head I would say the only person who can claim to be a good and producer at the same time is Quik
Complex Shadow
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speaking of rappers, i wish 50 would start making albums like massacre. no joke.
This distinction needs to be made then. Kanye isn't the best rapper, let's agree on that, not even the most hardcore Kanye stan can attest to that. But immediate comparisons to GREAT rappers don't make him TERRIBLE by default. That's what I have a problem with. He is a pretty good rapper, with skills that allow him to embrace all the other elements of a song to make great music, more than just rhymes and wordplay, because those are just facets of it.Blackace said:
I would say there is a very, very long list of rappers better than Ye, but there a larger list of those worse and unable to do what he does with his words. And part of that, yes is the exposure and platform he has to go about doing such, which he does gratuitously. Not being the best, does not make him terrible. That insubstantial nonsense has to go.
Hell I didn't know playing as many instruments as you can made you a better musician outright. Certainly helps though (Blaze being of note). I wonder how many instruments Primo plays? If it's less than 3 I demand we take him off of every list of good producers ever by your decree.SoulPlaya said:
This is actually the straight up BS I'm talking about.SoulPlaya said:
Kanye is a great producer.
Quincy Jones is a legendary producer.
Note how when you say things are relative, they are not black and white, and good and bad unless you are narrow minded.
Oh and the amount of instruments you play is an arbitrary number that does not correlate with your excellence.
Before this gets out of hand, let me explain myself. I love hip-hop. It's arguably my favorite genre of music, and it's had a huge influence on my youth. With that said, however, I do have a hard time placing rappers and other musicians in the same category. I do that out of a sense of obligation to other musicians. I just feel like it's a lot harder to learn to play an instrument or sing well, than to just rap well.
I'm guessing you guys don't know what I'm referencing. I'm just wondering if you guys read this interview with Quincy, when someone compared Kanye to him.enzo_gt said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/24/quincy-jones-kanye-west
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
SoulPlaya said:
Jones helped create one of the greatest albums in the history of mankind, ever. And he graduated from my high school in Seattle..
How to you compare Jones to Ye anyways? They aren't even in the same line of music.
I lost a little respect for QJ when he remade PYT after MJ died.... With T-Pain and Robin Thicket..
Here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/24/quincy-jones-kanye-westBlackace said:
It's just out of respect to a few friends of mine. One has been learning to play the guitar for years and years, and he's just now getting ready to put out some music.Blackace said:
To me, it's easier to be a great rapper (notice I said nothing about producing) than a great guitar or drum player (as common examples).
It's not that being a rapper is easy, just relatively easier.
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