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GAF-Hop |OT14| The 6 God is Five Writers, And One False Idol
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The blogs/critics/forums talked about it. People in real life just thought it was shit and kept it moving.
a bit like tpab
PhoenixDark
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except Kanye last time out, i guess
The TPAB made him shitcan his album idea doesn't have any evidence to support it as far as i can see. Let's go with what we CAN see.
1) his recent singles are meh, and aint really poppin off
2) Cruel Summer, Yeezus, MBTDF were a big mess of different shit and he hasnt found the right group of writers and producers to shark
3) Busy with family / fashion industry
"Kanye released the most inventive, critically acclaimed album of the year without any hits. Can't deny his greatness."
"Kendrick released the most inventive, critically acclaimed album of the year without any hits. No one gives a shit."
This is peak fatherlessness brehs. Kanye stans still waiting on the porch for him to show up and take them to Chuck E Cheeses. He's not coming, go inside fuckboys. Your step dad at least is paying the heat and water bills. Go make yourself a sandwich and play videogames.
Trap Soul
Storm Chamber
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Esch returning with that fie
Yeah as far as generating discussion goes you would be a fool to think TPAB even touches Yeezus; even if we're talking the content/themes TPAB reiterates from Yeezus and Yeezus-era Ye specifically.
TPAB's popularity or at least the cannonball-in-the-shallow-end splash it had didn't amount to much that was tangibly impactful because the conversation it started was sideswiped by omgkendricksogood. This was also sort of inherent in my criticism of TPAB, it doesn't really have the gut punch necessary to make it's content and critiques impactful. It's a long somber story without a takeaway. Part of that is Kendrick intertwining his personal story with the greater message which does dilute things to a degree even if it's a small degree. None of the energy (read: not necessarily trap/party jams) makes it's way out of the bubble the album puts itself in. And it's proponents kind of sit in that bubble as well, pushing away songs like King Kunta even though that's easily the best attempt at that gut punch next to Wesley's Theory.
The whole album is kind of a news story without a headline. The meat and potatoes is there but it isn't doing much alone. I want to be cynical and say that whatever this nebulous conversation that rappers keep attempting about civil rights is impossible in our era, but I don't think so. The right punchline or the most effective storytelling would probably still cut through.
TPAB's popularity or at least the cannonball-in-the-shallow-end splash it had didn't amount to much that was tangibly impactful because the conversation it started was sideswiped by omgkendricksogood. This was also sort of inherent in my criticism of TPAB, it doesn't really have the gut punch necessary to make it's content and critiques impactful. It's a long somber story without a takeaway. Part of that is Kendrick intertwining his personal story with the greater message which does dilute things to a degree even if it's a small degree. None of the energy (read: not necessarily trap/party jams) makes it's way out of the bubble the album puts itself in. And it's proponents kind of sit in that bubble as well, pushing away songs like King Kunta even though that's easily the best attempt at that gut punch next to Wesley's Theory.
The whole album is kind of a news story without a headline. The meat and potatoes is there but it isn't doing much alone. I want to be cynical and say that whatever this nebulous conversation that rappers keep attempting about civil rights is impossible in our era, but I don't think so. The right punchline or the most effective storytelling would probably still cut through.
ViewtifulJC
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who stans for Yeezus
in 2015
in 2015
So wait, Yeezus "politcal and social" themes hit harder than TPAB? Naw, you're absolutely crazy for that one Enzo. Referring to Kendrick's content as simply reiteration of Yeezus. Yeah man, and 808's did indeed usher in the trap era.
It had more conversation generated? How does one observe this impact? How can we judge tangible impact? People talking about it in person? Blogs? Reviews? Sales? Singles? I am curious about the metric here.
It had more conversation generated? How does one observe this impact? How can we judge tangible impact? People talking about it in person? Blogs? Reviews? Sales? Singles? I am curious about the metric here.
I still enjoy it
PhoenixDark
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This is pure delusion, and a clear case of someone who has a low musical IQ (in terms of actually listening to shit beyond the insular box of stuff you like).
man...
Discotheque
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Haaanh?! It's a top 3 kanye album but the plebs who don't like 808s ain't trying to hear that
Also TPAB will end up having some influence most likely. But certainly not on the kanye album. Tweet your praise and fanboys assume he got so shook by TPAB lol, he's just unfocused as fuck is all. More concerned with his derelicte clothing line than the music
I dunno if either yeezus or TPAB really started much conversations about their lyrical content tbh. All I heard during the time was their radical departures from their previous styles, nobody was really talking about the lyrics much. Though they should have
Not even gonna address your first paragraph because you need to reread what I actually wrote.
The conversation thing is pretty self-evident, even though I hate using that term, but it was pretty clear cut. After Yeezus these forums were full of us talking about whether Ye was full of shit or a hypocrite or whether there was any merit to his claims of institutionalized racism. Or whether they were even relatable from Ye's distorted perspective. What about Kendrick? Was there.. anything? As soon as that album hit there was like a few hours of weebay.gif at how Kendrick wove himself into the narrative and henceforward it was comparing the quality of the album to expectations, etc. This isn't obviously Kendrick's fault (maybe TDEs) but the nature of the discussion was definitely not about the content itself. That's definitely how it was on GAF in both OT and our threads and looking around other media at the time, it was no different.
For using the term "low musical IQ," you've proved you've lost already.
fail in discourse because your bias can't parse arguments brehs
What themes does Yeezus even try to touch? The whole anti-corporate stance, coming from a millionaire who works with corporates? Criticisms of the fashion industry, coming from someone who knows the most important people in fashion and is able to crash shows with his collection? The 'slave' phenomenon, coming from someone who is the slave of people's opinion?
I think in terms of subjects TPAB is in its own league; that album has ninjas flexing in front of the White House, says it all
I think in terms of subjects TPAB is in its own league; that album has ninjas flexing in front of the White House, says it all
Calling TPAB mediocre; that's a paddin'.
Discotheque
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This is true, I could take new slaves more seriously if it came from somebody else. This dude is married to the kardashian machine and is selling people 400 dollar yeezys
But the album bumps though, I love it. TPAB has a much stronger lyrical message to it but the argument here is which one is leaving the impact and I see neither making that huge imprint
need you to drop a No Limit Records review to settle the score though
Coming right up!
Naw you gotta restate that, because it seems to me that you said "even if we're talking the content/themes TPAB reiterates from Yeezus and Yeezus-era Ye specifically."
There wasn't content in that 57 page OT? Cause I just went through and saw paragraphs on paragraphs about various interpretations of songs and album themes. I've had debates about the album online and in person.
Yeezus for better or worse was a discussion on what was going on sonically. The nature of the discussion surrounding that album was mostly about the lack of content and the sound of it. People were turned off and on by that and there certainly was a lot of talk about it around here and other places. Not doubting that. But I don't believe there is much in Yeezus worth discussing in terms of Ye's opinions on institutionalized racism. Shocking to me that you can say TPAB doesn't have "anything" while in the same paragraph talking about how Yeezus demanded conversation over its themes.
To Pimp A Butterfly is an album that has a ton of effort and thought put into just about every facet of it. Regardless of quality. It demands discussion. Which is why perhaps it doesn't sit well in the mainstream, but that's exactly why it is perfectly suited for the kind of discussion you say it doesn't receive.
Whew, gotta hand it to you. These are some impressive mental gymnastics.
In one single awful post you've managed to
1) Imply that TPAB is a repetition of Yeezus
2) Frame Yeezus as a nuanced, coherent sociopolitical diatribe and narrative when it's full of some of the most selfish, egoistic, faux bon-mot filled platitudes i've ever listened to in my life
3) Frame TPAB as lacking in emotional gravitas
4) Insert a whole bunch of nonsense invective about proponents and bubbles
I hope for you're sake you're trolling.
My comments are explicitly specific to generating discussion on the matter, but yeah this moment lives on it's own and can't be compared to any ongoing discussion on themes etc. because this is realer than any of that. Notice I made no comment on the sociopolitical importance of each album (neither are really gamechangers), in which case it doesn't need to be said that TPAB aimed way higher and was obviously more well thought out as it's super obvious.
Tre 8- Ghetto Stories
Overall Score= 7.0
Damnnnn that was quick!
Like P...I drop shit whenever I want to...
But yeah, I usually work on a review the night before. Tonight I'm doing Down South Hustlers which should be a long one since it's double disc.
96 looking promising though...
ViewtifulJC
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PhoenixDark
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Another laughable post. Are we going to pretend like there wasn't a big debate in the OT over whether Kendrick was taking a "bububu black on black violence" approach on Blacker The Berry? We're gonna act like the album hasn't generated an exhaustive amount of debate and think pieces? We're going to act like there aren't multiple videos online right now of protesters chanting the chorus of Alright?
I can't really fault you for not knowing this stuff, you're clearly not a socially aware person. Sorry if I can't really give much credibility to your argument about whether our discussing the intellectual merit/hypocrisy of Kanye verses he clearly did not write is comparable to any of this.
Yeezus is a temper tantrum on record. Even Kanye has copped to it. Move on.
Damn LOL
rip in peace
Storm Chamber
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The smell of ether and fresh bans in the air
What a time to be alive
What a time to be alive
your*Whew, gotta hand it to you. These are some impressive mental gymnastics.
In one single awful post you've managed to
1) Imply that TPAB is a repetition of Yeezus
2) Frame Yeezus as a nuanced, coherent sociopolitical diatribe and narrative when it's full of some of the most selfish, egoistic, faux bon-mot filled platitudes i've ever listened to in my life
3) Frame TPAB as lacking in emotional gravitas
4) Insert a whole bunch of nonsense invective about proponents and bubbles
I hope for you're sake you're trolling.
I thought it was either gonna be a trap/banger album ala Travis Scott or a trek through different musical genres because of how wildly different Only One, All Day, and Wolves were.
I think now it's definitely the latter but I do believe he is reworking all the tracks. Especially since Fade was a house track.
I'd agree with you on this but he said his album was 80% complete back in February and he had debuted both All Day and Wolves in a span of 2-3 weeks iirc
Maybe TPAB didn't make him completely shift focus, but something made him delay the album because it seemed like it was definitely going to come out in the first half of 2015.
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Nah this is light lol
The only mildly political discussion(s) that came out of yeezus or its creations or the interviews surrounding it was the talk about fashion manufacturers and the upper crust of manufacturing industries being hard to break into. and it was a shit discussion,because it was hedged mostly by Kanye stans trying to get us to give a shit about how hard it is for Kanye to make shoes. Really, you can pretty much frame all of Yeezus' so called commentary and themes as this: the struggle of the petite bourgeoisie trying to become haute and expression their frustration at their inability to become free (read: join the ranks of) from those who fully control the means of production.
He has unsubtly disguised it in songs like New Slaves, where he talks about coming from slavery and what his mother experiences. He frames it as an everyman argument, that "we're the new slaves", but at the same time goes on to delineate the racism he experiences as a rich black man from those of the poor. At the end of the day, it's essentially still about Kanye. Whereas TPAB's looks at institutional racism begin from the bottom and looks up, Kanye's critique of the people who control fashion industries is as much of a cry for frustration at his inability to climb into another socioeconomic stratum.
Your appreciation of Kanye's "political commentary" essentially hinges on how much you care about (extremely) rich people colored problems. YMMV.
Another thing he learned from Jay-Z.
He has unsubtly disguised it in songs like New Slaves, where he talks about coming from slavery and what his mother experiences. He frames it as an everyman argument, that "we're the new slaves", but at the same time goes on to delineate the racism he experiences as a rich black man from those of the poor. At the end of the day, it's essentially still about Kanye. Whereas TPAB's looks at institutional racism begin from the bottom and looks up, Kanye's critique of the people who control fashion industries is as much of a cry for frustration at his inability to climb into another socioeconomic stratum.
Your appreciation of Kanye's "political commentary" essentially hinges on how much you care about (extremely) rich people colored problems. YMMV.
Another thing he learned from Jay-Z.
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I love how people are convinced Yeezus is a 'political album' solely because Kanye said it was.
Otherwise, what are we talking about?
New Slaves? The song he wrote because he was denied entry to a bourgeois fashion show and so went straight to the studio and had eight people express immature feelings of isolation and discrimination for him..?
That's enough to downplay something like Blacker the Berry? Wow.
Otherwise, what are we talking about?
New Slaves? The song he wrote because he was denied entry to a bourgeois fashion show and so went straight to the studio and had eight people express immature feelings of isolation and discrimination for him..?
That's enough to downplay something like Blacker the Berry? Wow.
Elaborate on what you mean by 'discussion'. Because I feel TPAB's grander approach on the subject matter invariably leads to more discussion than Yeezus, which is more about Kanye's personal grievances than anything.
What the fuck is your problem Nibel?
This post makes me consider something that's seemingly obvious but probably explains the discrepancy in opinions here: time. People talked about Yeezus on and off for years because it also slowly unravelled over time as Ye began to do media again and explained the context behind it, which reopened and recoloured discussion many, many times over the legitimacy of Ye and what he was talking about (or even if it was worth talking about, which still results in discussion anyways). TPAB is pretty fresh and considerably more complex, so I suppose it is very unfair to judge it against something older. Saying there wasn't anything is being disingenuous, but I stand firmly on the idea that the hubbub behind the release itself really obscured and got in the way of it being as big of a point of discussion as it could have been (especially if the album had been more to my liking RE: my criticisms, IMO).
Just afterwards seeing interviews talk about the album seemed to solely focus on the metrics and stuff and it seemed like at that point it became a spectacle even within hip-hop media. Of course Yeezus had that too (perhaps with the inverse with respect to the reception and 2nd week drop) but because Ye had sort of attached that project to his struggles and transgressions in fashion it seemed to keep the conversation going compared to TPAB.
Also, s/o to you for making a post full of relevant points.
The irony in this post talking about mental gymnastics lol. This is why I'm always going on about bias. Stop injecting your own bias and read what it is for what it is instead of putting words in people's mouths.Whew, gotta hand it to you. These are some impressive mental gymnastics.
In one single awful post you've managed to
1) Imply that TPAB is a repetition of Yeezus
2) Frame Yeezus as a nuanced, coherent sociopolitical diatribe and narrative when it's full of some of the most selfish, egoistic, faux bon-mot filled platitudes i've ever listened to in my life
3) Frame TPAB as lacking in emotional gravitas
4) Insert a whole bunch of nonsense invective about proponents and bubbles
I hope for you're sake you're trolling.
People hear TPAB and grab the guns from their nightstands without actually reading wtf is being critiqued. A page full of people thinking I'm saying Yeezus was more impactful than TPAB when that was not only not said anywhere, but also not implied anywhere. I don't know why I bother when people can eschew implications however they please.
I don't disagree here that TPAB could lead to more of that, but Kanye always had a grander justification that people dissected (as he started going on about schools and racial barriers in general industry).
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