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"Sometimes you might need to detox
It can help you with your rhyme flow and your beatbox"
How ironic in retrospect, coming from MF DOOM and Madlib, whose flabbyness and success were no doubt propagated by narcotics.
oh god, im watching this Kanye design roundtable right now and it is the most mindfucky thing ever
watch at your own risk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSfnuEGHH4
you have not seen tangents until you watch this video
watch at your own risk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSfnuEGHH4
you have not seen tangents until you watch this video
Does everyone feel like the TDE team supported These Days like they did for GKMC and Oxymoron? It is pathetic that Ab-Soul had to threaten to leak his own album. I know he isn't signed to interscope. Still doesn't male sense or maybe I am underestimating the power of major labels.
Tokubetsu
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Meanwhile, Mac Miller takes drugs and gets better
Yea but Mac is in that lane with Earl where they're constantly hanging out and feeding off of other talented dues. Who is TDE feeding off of? I doubt Kendrick is there for any of these sessions. Ab-Soul has a battle track with a rapper who has spawn face tattoo...I own a box that is a quarter Spawn comics and I still wouldn't want to be caught dead assosciated with a dude who would tat spawn designs on his face.
PhoenixDark
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Soul has a very similar cadence to Lupe, especially in the way he pauses after bars. But as others said, most of the time it's just stupid shit. Not even smart dumb stuff...just bad, almost Papoose-esque punchlines. Basically instead of doing it like Lupe at his best, he's constantly replicating this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Et1siZhTk
I've been arguing about that song for almost a decade brehs. You can go on and on about how "great" it is lyrically but it's a bad song that doesn't work sonically. And that's pretty much Soul for you.
I loved him on the Section 80 interlude, and CC has some tracks I really dig. But he tries way too hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Et1siZhTk
I've been arguing about that song for almost a decade brehs. You can go on and on about how "great" it is lyrically but it's a bad song that doesn't work sonically. And that's pretty much Soul for you.
I loved him on the Section 80 interlude, and CC has some tracks I really dig. But he tries way too hard.
CountBlack
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Your questions remind me of this article.
Top Dawg did say that Soul's major debut album will be coming next year.
Kendrick did say something really smart in an interview about how success has been treating him, something around the lines of; If you were a drug addict before the money, you're just going to be 10x the drug addict after the money. Interviews here.
Life is cruel. Right as I was typing out and reading these posts about drugs I found out yet another one of my college buddies is dead from drug abuse. Used to go right to his place after classes, read a chem chapter, smoke a little bong, play with his dog, lay in the sun.
If there's people in your life who you care about, and you know they're in a bad place, don't just sit back and let them do them. Sit them down and break bread with them, before you can't get them back.
If there's people in your life who you care about, and you know they're in a bad place, don't just sit back and let them do them. Sit them down and break bread with them, before you can't get them back.
jakefromstatefarm
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My condolences Esch.
This is so fucking amazing. Seriously think we should plug.dj this, its so quotable and amazing and cringeworthy.
edit: man, that fucking sucks each. rip, prayers and thoughts.
Ah nice, they're at The Gorge. Heading over there Friday morning.
Edit: Sorry to hear that Esch. My condolences.
Pickles the Firecat
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Damn man. Sorry to hear.
Good advice for everyone to follow. Shouldn't have had to come from something like this, but good advice.
PhoenixDark
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sorry to hear that Esch
(listening to These Days...Twact just came on...what the fuck is this shit)
(listening to These Days...Twact just came on...what the fuck is this shit)
Storm Chamber
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On this subject
on Stigmata, Bronson's voice sounds like he really needs to ease up on smoking
on Stigmata, Bronson's voice sounds like he really needs to ease up on smoking
IrishNinja
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damn esh, sorry for your loss my dude. wish i could take your advice but i sat back & lost a friend a year back or so to the same, won't do the same again for what it's worth
enjoyed the exchange - can't chime in till i sit down with soul's new shit but wanted to cosign these going in anyway
fixed - ya'll mac stans need to link to something to change my mind for real
okay i love DOOM bu there's no denying the love handles - Madlib just put out Pinata tho
enjoyed the exchange - can't chime in till i sit down with soul's new shit but wanted to cosign these going in anyway
fixed - ya'll mac stans need to link to something to change my mind for real
okay i love DOOM bu there's no denying the love handles - Madlib just put out Pinata tho
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Damn, sorry to hear that Esch.
That's the third friend I've lost inside a year to drug abuse, and is a major reason I've been rejecting all the sad boy druggie shit. Much like gangster shit, this isn't a fucking game. Propagating this kind of behavior, and cosigning it, has real life consequences. I'm not saying don't do them, because I certainly have. But seriously, watch yourselves. Even if you use drugs and alcohol, you should never become comfortable with the idea of doing them. They're a spice of life, not the meat. All this pill popping shit is fun and games, just like acting out hard, until people are dead.
Sorry to bring everyone down.
Sorry to bring everyone down.
sorry Esch. i cant imagine how hard that must be.
Complex Top Albums of the year so far
1. YG - My Krazy Life
2. Lana Del Rey - Ultraviolence
3. Pharrell - Girl
4. Popcaan - Where We Come From
5. Sam Smith - In The Lonely Hour
6. Schoolboy Q - Oxymoron
7. St Vincent - s/t
8. Future - Honest
9. Little Dragon - Nabuma Rubberband
10. Gordon Voidwell - Bad Etudes
and so on...
Complex Top Albums of the year so far
1. YG - My Krazy Life
2. Lana Del Rey - Ultraviolence
3. Pharrell - Girl
4. Popcaan - Where We Come From
5. Sam Smith - In The Lonely Hour
6. Schoolboy Q - Oxymoron
7. St Vincent - s/t
8. Future - Honest
9. Little Dragon - Nabuma Rubberband
10. Gordon Voidwell - Bad Etudes
and so on...
Goddamn. I'm sorry Esch. I do often wonder about whether or not some of the people around me are just too far gone.
Complex list is discustin, but I didn't click on it cause what else is expected.
Also, a bit on topic, I feel like the chemistry between the main 4 at TDE is great.. With the exception of Soul. It all just strikes me as Soul being an outcast and depressed. Don't think he is really part of the group, and wouldn't be surprised if he was the first gone. Whole group seems ho hum on this release. Haven't listened to the album yet, sad to hear yelling Kendrick is still alive.
Wait why is the Complex list so bad? Haven't listened to #10, but I fucked heavily w/ all the other albums except maybe Sam Smith's (I go back and forth on Pharell's).
My condolences Esch. Keep ya head up brother.
I've been fortunate to not lose any friends in my life yet, but I don't even want to think about it.
My condolences Esch. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to lose a friend.
First listen through the new Soul was super meh from me. Most was straight ass to be honest, with a few standout tracks. Tree of Life was the best for me. And why was Kendrick yelling on that song?? It should've been his Section.80 flow. Shit was a callback to Ab-Soul's Outro. His yelling schtick is getting really grating. Also, Bronson totally mailed in that verse. Control System was an album that grew on me a lot, but most of this is just bad hooks and Soul lacking any charisma but somewhat trying to while at the same time just being weird and depressing. I don't know, man. Just not feeling it.
Cilvia Demo > Oxymoron > These Days...
First listen through the new Soul was super meh from me. Most was straight ass to be honest, with a few standout tracks. Tree of Life was the best for me. And why was Kendrick yelling on that song?? It should've been his Section.80 flow. Shit was a callback to Ab-Soul's Outro. His yelling schtick is getting really grating. Also, Bronson totally mailed in that verse. Control System was an album that grew on me a lot, but most of this is just bad hooks and Soul lacking any charisma but somewhat trying to while at the same time just being weird and depressing. I don't know, man. Just not feeling it.
Cilvia Demo > Oxymoron > These Days...
Real talk. Sorry for your loss man.
I've seen more pill popping amongst friends in my day, don't know anyone gang banging... just to clarify. Still agree 100%. Hated the recent Molly trend in music. And I've used/enjoyed Molly. It's frustrating to hear "studio rappers" (for lack of a better term) glorify that stuff while they're not living life anything like their music. Then kids who don't know any better OD or cause lifelong damage. Was really glad the GOAT Kendrick said something about it.
The Artful Dodger
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My Condolences, Esch. I've had a few pals go down that path. It's always hard.
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10:20 PM - 18 Jun 2014
That makes me feel better. Ab-Soul probably forced TDE hand with this album. We will probably see TDE fully backing his album like GKMC and Oxymoron with his major album debut.
@Esch I'm sorry to hear that.
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That makes me feel better. Ab-Soul probably forced TDE hand with this album. We will probably see TDE fully backing his album like GKMC and Oxymoron with his major album debut.
@Esch I'm sorry to hear that.
IrishNinja
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okay i grabbed Jay Rock's shit on ya'lls recommendations (most tracks namedropped were on it), where to start with Rashad?
i know it's not the same as AFJA or RTL but i never get the hate for self-titled/black album, it's solid shit. Reload or whatever's direction getting shat on i get, even if i dig a track or two
post-AJFA metallica
i know it's not the same as AFJA or RTL but i never get the hate for self-titled/black album, it's solid shit. Reload or whatever's direction getting shat on i get, even if i dig a track or two
Tokubetsu
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Nothing to say Esch, except keep looking up
Net_Wrecker
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I'm drawing a blank, someone help
Am I going crazy or isn't there some track that samples Mogwai's Letters To The Metro
Am I going crazy or isn't there some track that samples Mogwai's Letters To The Metro
I can't speak for casuals, but I hate the S/T and Load/ReLoad because of what it gave birth to. Those albums collectively inspired a decade of some of the worst fucking trash music known to man called 90s hard rock; Creed, Nickelback etc. Thrashers hated it because Metallica were the biggest bastion of metal culture in the mainstream and they recorded BALLADS, which were seen as one of many the horrible horrible sins of 80s quiet riot glam butt metal.
There's an analogue album in death metal. At the Gates recorded one of the best metal albums ever in The Red in the Sky is Ours (seriously, top 1-15), and then after they reached their technical peak in a followup and lost some members, they released Slaughter of the Soul which inspired (along with some shitty work by Carcass) a decade of shit metalcore music like August Burns Red, Between the Buried and Me, Bullet for My Valentine, etc. It had MTV hits and shit too.
theres an analogue in almost every subgenre of metal.
Really don't like probably 6 of those, and haven't listened to 3. Only one I love is St. Vincent.
Just grab Cilvia Demo and you're good.
IrishNinja
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that's a pretty interesting take...i mean, i can see load/RE but the gap between self-titled and Creed type shit seems a bit wide by me. that said, i don't think ive binned an album quite as fast as St Anger in forever.
ive known/dated metalheads & been forever told about the endless guitar talent & i respect shit but it was never my bag.
done and done, thanks cast
ive known/dated metalheads & been forever told about the endless guitar talent & i respect shit but it was never my bag.
done and done, thanks cast
jakefromstatefarm
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Enter Sandman is the We Will Rock You of metal. Arena anthem that always manages to illicit the exact same cock-rocking emotions whenever it's played. It's invasive and I won't have anything to do with it. That being said I harbor no ill will towards their self-titled; looking back it's derivative tripe but it was pretty much the album that got me not only into metal but into a more active role in searching for music/exposing me to something other than the top 40, so :salute.
/controversial opinion: Load and ReLoad were imo, good albums...or at least had enough interesting tracks between them that you could make a good album from. Releasing them under a different name than Metallica would've been better for the albums' reception, the band, and the fans.
Edit: and c'mon breh, how many bands were taking notes from Load/ReLoad? What was the best selling single between the two? The Memory Remains? The copypasta post-grunge bands drew influence from self-titled, along with Nevermind and whatever Pearl Jam and Soundgarden were doing (memory eludes me). Nu-metal pretty much did the same thing but with Vulgar Display and Rage Against the Machine.
My man. I'll actually agree with you on load/reload quality wise. They're inoffensive bluesy rock cuts that are a little overbearing. That's the thing though; they're not exactly shit. Just like Swansong and Heartwork aren't shit. But they did create and inspire shit, in my opinion.
Vocal Orgasmizzle
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Yeah sure, it's everybody but Ab-Soul's fault that his album is underwhelming. When his work has been average at best for a while now.
EDIT: Load and ReLoad were good but the problem is two things: It wasn't Metal, and Metallica fans will hate everything.
MuddyDonut
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Pharrells album is terrible and YGs album is average.
Condolences Esch
jakefromstatefarm
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I remember watching a VH1 Behind the Music (
That is fucking insane. How do you bring yourself to care about the whims of your old fanbase after you crush the buildings like that?Wikipedia said:
IrishNinja
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i was gonna say Fuel but i honestly don't recall
so you're upping the ante & saying Creed/Nickelback are the result of self-titled as well as what, nevermind & i guess vitalogy? i guess that's what i'm saying: using your example, we can agree that nu-metal wasn't awesome but i'd find it strange faulting a great band like RATM for that, that shit clearly wasn't at all what they intended.
and yeah metallica fans might hate everything but fuck if their favorite band didn't fully end up embodying the bullshit baby boomer mindset in the end, to quote carlin...that shit has to sting
yo what? eatin
MuddyDonut
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Listened to These Days again:
Good songs:
Second half of Just Have Fun
Okay songs:
God's Reign
Closure
Stigmata
Every other song is either corny, has abysmal production, does not play to Ab-Soul's strengths as an MC, or likely all of the above.
I feel like half of the songs on this album all use the same few drums. And not in a good way because of the type of production on here. The Kendrick verse was terrible, not just because he was yelling, it sounded like a freestyle. And since when is an interlude 5 fucking minutes? That track makes me feel like TDE forced him to put it in. Also he lost to Daylyt pretty bad.
Good songs:
Second half of Just Have Fun
Okay songs:
God's Reign
Closure
Stigmata
Every other song is either corny, has abysmal production, does not play to Ab-Soul's strengths as an MC, or likely all of the above.
I feel like half of the songs on this album all use the same few drums. And not in a good way because of the type of production on here. The Kendrick verse was terrible, not just because he was yelling, it sounded like a freestyle. And since when is an interlude 5 fucking minutes? That track makes me feel like TDE forced him to put it in. Also he lost to Daylyt pretty bad.
jakefromstatefarm
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I was thinking Fuel but Lo and Behold. Iy was the last single of the Load/ReLoad era, seems like people were pretty much done with altMetallica.
And I include RATM mainly for the rap/rock influence, which the nu-metal scene was so saturated with for those first ~6-7 years (I guess you could throw Faith No More and early Chili Peppers in that same hat). I'll echo Esch's sentiment: you don't have to be shitty at what you do to be indirectly responsible for something shitty,
IrishNinja
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had no idea Memory was the biggest one off that, i forgot that era completely...huh.
i really can't follow the logic here: as hip hop fans, most of ya'll got dudes (living and dead) in your top 10 who did classic shit, and then someone jacked that beat/style/whatever and created some grade-A fuckery. this isn't the OG's fault; you created a beautiful garden, and some swaggerless knucklehead came in and said "yeah this is nice, but the world needs more compost."
TL;DR - T.R.O.Y is still the definition of a classic track despite Lupe's best efforts. If Troy Ave goes in on/mediocres up Crooklyn Dodgers next week, that's not on Chubb/Jeru/etc.
i really can't follow the logic here: as hip hop fans, most of ya'll got dudes (living and dead) in your top 10 who did classic shit, and then someone jacked that beat/style/whatever and created some grade-A fuckery. this isn't the OG's fault; you created a beautiful garden, and some swaggerless knucklehead came in and said "yeah this is nice, but the world needs more compost."
TL;DR - T.R.O.Y is still the definition of a classic track despite Lupe's best efforts. If Troy Ave goes in on/mediocres up Crooklyn Dodgers next week, that's not on Chubb/Jeru/etc.
Bob Dobalina
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I'd guess Soul's girlfriend committing suicide during the period he recorded Control System is probably one of the underlying reasons for this. I never felt like he didn't fit in, but he's just been in a very weird place the past year or two.
Sorry for your loss Esch, can't imagine what that feels like. So grateful my friends don't go as hard as they did in undergrad with drugs.
Vocal Orgasmizzle
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I remember watching a VH1 Behind the Music () a couple years ago where Hetfield was talking about fan backlash. (Paraphrasing) "We used to hear, 'You sellouts,' from the fans, 'We're done supporting you,'" He was talking about the fucking music video to One. Not only does that demonstrate general metalhead neckbeardery, it perfectly encapsulates how oblivious these guys were to outside opinions. I mean just look at this shit:
That is fucking insane. How do you bring yourself to care about the whims of your old fanbase after you crush the buildings like that?
Plus they're old, successful dudes now. Thrash is for teen/twenty something angst.
Oh, and These Days is mediocre.
As much as I like grunge, I would blame Nirvana for that more so than Metallica. As far as Nu Metal goes, Blame Metallica and 90's rap.
Also, sorry to hear about your buddy. I had a friend die last year from similar cases. It's tragic, and don't go blaming yourself. Men do as they do.
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