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GAF-Hop |OTX| Long Live the Watcher
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Pickles the Firecat
Banned
for So Cal GAF, Origami Vinyl is hosting a party at Ace Hotel tonight starting around 9 PM. Gaslamp Killer is going to be playing vinyl. Free admission if you show up.
Probably won't be there myself barring a miracle, but it should be good times good vibes.
edit: Ace is usually 21+ for events FYI
Probably won't be there myself barring a miracle, but it should be good times good vibes.
edit: Ace is usually 21+ for events FYI
damn this sounds really cool but I'm homebound rn. although even if I weren't I might choose the 35mm screening of Do the Right Thing at LACMA or the Demy retro at the Aero
What record stores are good in LA? I've only been to Amoeba, wanna check more out (even tho I'm broke and don't even have my music set up out here, always feel like browsing)
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Amoeba is the GOAT, but Origami is great, Atomic in Burbank is solid, and Mono in Silverlake/Echo Park is also pretty dope. Keep an eye out for popup shops, lot of vinyl moving around when labels host them.
Cool, I'll look into those three. Permanent too, forgot I've been meaning to go there mainly for the chicago connection.
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Origami is basically adjacent to the Echo/Echoplex so you can always pop in if you're going to catch a show.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Cole discussing why he doesn't saturate the market, and postulates on reality tv
Cole and Kendrick seem like the only major rap artists with this view, yet the outcomes are so drastically different. I rarely hear Cole say something about music or the "process" that I don't agree with. You can tell he loves music, he loves hip hop, and he isn't concerned about charts or who is saying what. Yet...these last two albums haven't been noteworthy. I don't think Sideline Story or Born Sinner are "bad" albums by any means, both have many songs I fux with. But overall as projects they just don't do it for me. Worse yet Cole often sounds generic to me. Like he's so focused on meeting the high standards of great artists that he forgets to tell us who he is with much depth.
In short, I can almost hear Cole thinking "I need an intro song that punches you in the mouth right out the gate like a Hov intro; I need a storytelling track that's like this Nas song; etc." I don't hear him progressing as an artist, whereas I look at other rapper/producers like Black Milk or Oddisee who are making huge jumps on every level artistically.
Whereas Kendrick seems to have not only a genuinely impressive knack for self consciousness and introspection, but also that "watcher" mentality that a world class writers within music or literature have - be it Dylan, Nas, Richard Wright, whoever; I'm not saying "Kendrick is as great as x" I'm just saying that he possesses a certain trait that most great writers have.
I kind of think that media is moving too fast for both of them ultimately, and the winner (in terms of success, not art) will continue to be the person who most captures this era and identifies with it - Drake. That being said, this is also an era where everyone can access your shit, once you release it, in an instance. When Cole and Kendrick are ready, everyone will be ready because they'll already be waiting on something from somewhere anyway.
Cole and Kendrick seem like the only major rap artists with this view, yet the outcomes are so drastically different. I rarely hear Cole say something about music or the "process" that I don't agree with. You can tell he loves music, he loves hip hop, and he isn't concerned about charts or who is saying what. Yet...these last two albums haven't been noteworthy. I don't think Sideline Story or Born Sinner are "bad" albums by any means, both have many songs I fux with. But overall as projects they just don't do it for me. Worse yet Cole often sounds generic to me. Like he's so focused on meeting the high standards of great artists that he forgets to tell us who he is with much depth.
In short, I can almost hear Cole thinking "I need an intro song that punches you in the mouth right out the gate like a Hov intro; I need a storytelling track that's like this Nas song; etc." I don't hear him progressing as an artist, whereas I look at other rapper/producers like Black Milk or Oddisee who are making huge jumps on every level artistically.
Whereas Kendrick seems to have not only a genuinely impressive knack for self consciousness and introspection, but also that "watcher" mentality that a world class writers within music or literature have - be it Dylan, Nas, Richard Wright, whoever; I'm not saying "Kendrick is as great as x" I'm just saying that he possesses a certain trait that most great writers have.
I kind of think that media is moving too fast for both of them ultimately, and the winner (in terms of success, not art) will continue to be the person who most captures this era and identifies with it - Drake. That being said, this is also an era where everyone can access your shit, once you release it, in an instance. When Cole and Kendrick are ready, everyone will be ready because they'll already be waiting on something from somewhere anyway.
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Just some hockey shit from the NHL thread
PhoenixDark
Banned
Dunno if I agree with that. He grew up in a broken home, his father was gone, his mother was a drug addict. He worked hard, left the country bumpkins to head to NY for college, etc. There's an interesting story to be told here, and enough meat to create an interesting artist. Yet even on his mixtapes he didn't really delve deep into this stuff IMO, outside of simply as a line ("my pops wasn't there; my mom was on drugs"). I should probably re-listen to the mixtapes though, since my memory is hazy, but it's definitely true that the albums seem to be missing "Cole, the person."
I know he gets a lot of acclaim for Lights Please, it's the song that convinced Hov to sign him...but it always struck me as an emotionless, arrogant preachy track ("I was trying to kick knowledge but she distracted me, so now I'm lost"). Misogynist in that Black Girl Lost way, basically. And a lot of his music basically revolves around that shit IMO.
CountBlack
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both were dope imo
Moved out just over a month ago, yeah.
nice, I'll remember to take a look before a show sometime.
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Man I'm as committed to beer snobbery as it gets, but I can't really hate on Bud Lite Lime for what it is. Same with Corona. Some shit you can grab and drink on the beach. In a buddies backyard. Playing board games.
It's not great, or really good, but I'm not gonna scoff if someone puts it out.
It's not great, or really good, but I'm not gonna scoff if someone puts it out.
I don't live in the LA area, but me you and Pickles should go to a show and grab some beers (I'm freshly 21 so options).
Count is a good person.
I remember bitching about bud light lime a few years back. A current tragedy is this dude on the outside of my group has created "mio light". Meaning putting mio into millers light. I refuse.
I'll try that summer brew I guess.
Bud Light Lime is for the birds, OG or Miller High Life please.
mio light lmfao. fuck out of here. who even thinks of that?
PD i get the sense that while the landmark events of cole's life look like a good story, the general day to day shit wasnt difficult/interesting enough to be compelling. i know too many people like that. thats probably why he doesnt delve into it as much.
PD i get the sense that while the landmark events of cole's life look like a good story, the general day to day shit wasnt difficult/interesting enough to be compelling. i know too many people like that. thats probably why he doesnt delve into it as much.
CountBlack
Member
Molson M tho
I don't get it either. Why not drink mixed drinks or something if you need sweet?
What is wrong with you?
CountBlack
Member
Doesn't make me feel bloated af breh
If you haven't had a good craft brew you haven't started drinking beer yet.
Stolen from Pickles or Toku I believe, but thanks.
Trust me, I criticized the shit out of it. It's dumb. He's a huge pothead, so that might be the reason.
Had no idea how much of a thing PBR is in Portland. Many of them drink it. Always thought it was fairly shitty.
Vocal Orgasmizzle
Banned
Holy shit I just discovered the song Braveheart Party! Only now finding out my version of Stillmatic is imcomplete. I was fixing some tags on my music since Amazon is shitty about how it handles songs with featured artists on them. Decided to use Wikipedia as a reference to make sure I wasn't screwing them up and noticed that my tracklist didn't match the one in the article.
This article says Mary J. Blige requested that the song be removed "for personal reasons" but it can't be a coincidence that the song is hot garbage. God, I can only imagine what that conversation must have been like when they decided to drop it.
I can't even think of another case where something like that happened. Downright shameful.
This article says Mary J. Blige requested that the song be removed "for personal reasons" but it can't be a coincidence that the song is hot garbage. God, I can only imagine what that conversation must have been like when they decided to drop it.
I can't even think of another case where something like that happened. Downright shameful.
IrishNinja
Member
Holy shit, this came out a year ago and I missed it for shame. Big fan of Johnny Polygon, so emotional, such a unique personality in hip-hop:
Also was this posted? https://soundcloud.com/jazzungang/shotguns-in-hell-roc-marciano-prod-apollo-brown
Also was this posted? https://soundcloud.com/jazzungang/shotguns-in-hell-roc-marciano-prod-apollo-brown
The worst of the bad cheap beers is Icehouse. gimme busch ice, keystone, natty, anything but icehouse.
I like PBR but I think that's mainly because bars near school would frequently have combo deals for a tall PBR and a shot of jack.
definitely up for it.
I like PBR but I think that's mainly because bars near school would frequently have combo deals for a tall PBR and a shot of jack.
definitely up for it.
Just wanna cosign everything PD said about J. Cole on this page.
Really, I want to like the dude. Hey, I do like the dude, but his output doesn't seem to meet his potential and I definitely think it comes down to him being a bit boring. I mean sometimes it all comes together like on Breakdown, and we all know he can spit, but this is also why I think he never really got that proper Kanye cosign.
I had a conversation with my brother about him the other day. He's not really into hip-hop as he was when he was younger, but he tries to get whatever's hot from me because I'm into it. Anyways, a Cole song came on on the radio and he just said "J. Cole is kind of.. his album was not that great?" in a tone where it was one piece disappointment and another piece realization.
I'll still listen to everything dude puts out, which is more than I can say about most other artists that have emerged in the past few years, but he has had real trouble finding an identity beyond being alternative Drake. I remember texting my buddy to check out his tape because "he's like Drake but he's got better lyrics" but I'm not sure if that matters or is always the case.
Really, I want to like the dude. Hey, I do like the dude, but his output doesn't seem to meet his potential and I definitely think it comes down to him being a bit boring. I mean sometimes it all comes together like on Breakdown, and we all know he can spit, but this is also why I think he never really got that proper Kanye cosign.
I had a conversation with my brother about him the other day. He's not really into hip-hop as he was when he was younger, but he tries to get whatever's hot from me because I'm into it. Anyways, a Cole song came on on the radio and he just said "J. Cole is kind of.. his album was not that great?" in a tone where it was one piece disappointment and another piece realization.
I'll still listen to everything dude puts out, which is more than I can say about most other artists that have emerged in the past few years, but he has had real trouble finding an identity beyond being alternative Drake. I remember texting my buddy to check out his tape because "he's like Drake but he's got better lyrics" but I'm not sure if that matters or is always the case.
IrishNinja
Member
i dunno, cole could shine like he grew up in a shrine in peru and still prolly sound boring somehow
also this - literally the last thing he did i found interesting
also this - literally the last thing he did i found interesting
I'm getting really into OG Houston rap, Yungstar is the dude - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9h89vTQ550
Tokubetsu
Member
I still really like this beat (he made it iirc) and J.Cole verse:
http://youtu.be/JdCJk7uWvps
I would love to hear more stuff like this from him.
http://youtu.be/JdCJk7uWvps
I would love to hear more stuff like this from him.
Syph Medwes
Member
Holy shit, this came out a year ago and I missed it for shame. Big fan of Johnny Polygon, so emotional, such a unique personality in hip-hop:
Also was this posted? https://soundcloud.com/jazzungang/shotguns-in-hell-roc-marciano-prod-apollo-brown
Don't know who that is but I like it.
And I think that Roc was posted but it's smooth
Also Des when is that Q2 write-up coming?
IrishNinja
Member
yesss
just wanted to put this out there since you & cast were commenting on my perpetual LTTP status: i take my time getting around to shit, but it does happen. im still working through a list of Kams' recommendations (Spice 1, Organized Konfusion etc) and keep links of your mixtape/etc write-ups as well des.
i realize i don't often post back to thank ya'll on the gems (and that's my bad) but i do appreciate this stuff fam. it's good to know there's always quality waiting to be discovered fam.
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