Complex Shadow
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lol I love Azelia Banks.
Ye is an idiot too. You guys convientely forget some of the embarrassing shit he says. That Zane Lowe interview is 85% nonsense.
I like Ye, and like his passion but he's often an idiot. I'm surprised people are so surprised kendrick is like this. He has a song dedicated to conspiracies in Section 80. He doesn't have a title yet, give it a break.
This article made it sound like there wasn't much interaction, but Kanye was adamant he be on the tour to give him that opportunity.
I've no doubt they had a proper talk at some point, but I think Kanye was flying around a lot during the actual Yeezus tour as well.
If I remember correctly, they didn't really hang out that much.
Ye says stupid stuff, but I think it's fair to say he's definitely not on that Nublack stuff.
Angelus Errare
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I think he's speaking specifically on how pro black Kanye is. Less so Kayne's interviewing skills. I highly doubt Ye would agree with what Lamar is saying, Ye isn't part of that NuBlack movement. Lamar is on that "trying to appeal to everyone" tip that NEVER works because it's always at the expense of blacks.
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oh damn
Discotheque
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Ye always says asinine shit but he'll never shit on black people I think
Kendrick got suckered into the new-black movement
Kanye, even through his rambling, did a way better job at trying to address what New Black shit tries to address than this resurgence we've seen recently from Gambino/Banks/etc.
Clearly, too. Ye was swearing up and down these radio stations, calling out people and organizations by name for being prejudiced and supporting institutionalized racism. People dismissed that shit because it had to do with fashion, but perked their ears to it when this white girl got poppin'. That's completely full circle right there.
I really don't get it. I made some posts on it then too and it was just lolKanyeurbuggin
Clearly, too. Ye was swearing up and down these radio stations, calling out people and organizations by name for being prejudiced and supporting institutionalized racism. People dismissed that shit because it had to do with fashion, but perked their ears to it when this white girl got poppin'. That's completely full circle right there.
I really don't get it. I made some posts on it then too and it was just lolKanyeurbuggin
Ye thinks being offered expensive clothing is comparable to slavery.
I love how he speaks his mind, but dude is so dumb sometimes. I'm a huge stan of him, but when he was interviewed this thread was all over how brilliant he is (including myself). Stark contrast. Sometimes your favorife artists say dumb shit. Two of mine do.
Edit: Ye says some things on point, but he is so long winded he's bound to say something correct. I agree about his perspective of him hitting a ceiling because he's black in an industry dominated by European white families, but he takes it too far and it's just not even relatable.
I love how he speaks his mind, but dude is so dumb sometimes. I'm a huge stan of him, but when he was interviewed this thread was all over how brilliant he is (including myself). Stark contrast. Sometimes your favorife artists say dumb shit. Two of mine do.
Edit: Ye says some things on point, but he is so long winded he's bound to say something correct. I agree about his perspective of him hitting a ceiling because he's black in an industry dominated by European white families, but he takes it too far and it's just not even relatable.
Agreed
I think focusing on the hyperbole is exactly what was wrong with the reaction.
Ye talks about people taking ownership of black culture for an entire interview, makes a hyperbolic slavery comparison and all people get out of it is that fashion isn't slavery. That's not just on Kanye, that's people not giving a fuck about the point and deciding to criticize the minutia.
We all know Kanye says some dumb shit, and even he knows he's not good at articulating what he has to say, but I don't get why Banks gets a greater audience when her position comes from a less genuine place and almost one of pure hatred and hypocrisy. Y'all critiquing the wrong shit, and this is probably exactly why a year from now someone else will make some sort of dramatic display once again in attempt for people to talk about it, but people would rather just end up criticizing his/her hair or whatever.
Complex Shadow
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god i miss the dirty south. now its just "the south."
I actually think Enzo is spot on. Focusing on the hyperbole and attempting to assault Ye's character and question his sanity is an easy way out out of not discussing the core problem Ye is airing out. It's a Fox news tactic tbh.
if you phrase your responses and stance like an egomaniac with a slew of mental disorders you have only yourself and your (possible?) illness to blame.
if you turn in a paper, and it has a few incredibly salient points but its muddled in a quagmire of nebulous contentions, self aggrandizement and nonsense you're going to get a C. Call it the Esch scale of life.
Banks has a large audience because nationalism sells.
if you turn in a paper, and it has a few incredibly salient points but its muddled in a quagmire of nebulous contentions, self aggrandizement and nonsense you're going to get a C. Call it the Esch scale of life.
Banks has a large audience because nationalism sells.
Angelus Errare
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Within the frame of this whole white people appropriating things from blacks argument.
Also I don't really think she has a 'larger audience', but enzo said:
I can't really measure whether Kanye's comments or hers got more social resonance, so I'm not really trying to comment on that. But basically, she provides a platform for resentment and separatism (justified or unjustified). I haven't been reading what she's said exactly for a minute now though, cause I don't really think her argument is nuanced either.
I'll wait till Ta-Nehisi Coates
or anyone that can actually form a cogent argument
Angelus Errare
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I'm mad she has an audience period. Like chick stay saying remedial shit and people love it.
CountBlack
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would you smash tho
Yeah I aimed that comment more toward Enzo.
I just listened to the whole Ye/Zane Lowe interview again and the only things I disagree with:
- Ye saying New Slaves is a hit record if they took out the fuck corporations line
- The one brief mention of Steve Jobs. Because fuck Steve Jobs. Potentially the worst thing about modern Kanye is his worship of Steve Jobs.
- Some weird analogy about it being illegal to be naked
- "levels of genius" nonsense
I can see why everyone hated it though, it's not an interview about music primarily, but he's dead on about everything else; particularly liked how he integrated classism and the lack of education opportunities into it all. But it was never nonsense. Said that then, still say it now, I can follow the interview, it's not hard to understand and it is not incoherent. He had some other interviews around the same time that were significantly incoherent though, from what I remember.
#yegems
That's that porno mag that that drug addict bought for you when you were fourteen, and you figured out how to pay that dealer before there was internet. And you open up that and know you bout to make 5 of them girls your girlfriend all weekend.
Shit has me inspired TBH, I'm about to go practice illustrating now
- Ye saying New Slaves is a hit record if they took out the fuck corporations line
- The one brief mention of Steve Jobs. Because fuck Steve Jobs. Potentially the worst thing about modern Kanye is his worship of Steve Jobs.
- Some weird analogy about it being illegal to be naked
- "levels of genius" nonsense
I can see why everyone hated it though, it's not an interview about music primarily, but he's dead on about everything else; particularly liked how he integrated classism and the lack of education opportunities into it all. But it was never nonsense. Said that then, still say it now, I can follow the interview, it's not hard to understand and it is not incoherent. He had some other interviews around the same time that were significantly incoherent though, from what I remember.
#yegems
That's that porno mag that that drug addict bought for you when you were fourteen, and you figured out how to pay that dealer before there was internet. And you open up that and know you bout to make 5 of them girls your girlfriend all weekend.
Shit has me inspired TBH, I'm about to go practice illustrating now
I meant as far as how many people entertained "the message." The Banks interview resonated pretty significantly in the media.
jakefromstatefarm
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this isn't something I can fuck with, purely based on the principle that every person deserves their own agency and voice. I think to some extent it's possible to disassociate the speaker from the points they bring up; ultimately, any line that's drawn to establish who is and isn't allowed to speak is going to be arbitrary and subjective. That's why I wouldn't even flirt with the concept.
That being said, character/ethos does play a big role in how persuasive an argument is. At the same time, I don't think total dismissal is the right response.
After being ousted from mainstream access in the industry, Azealia's sold hard on being a very vocal counter-culture spokesperson to a demographic that is very receptive towards her particular rhetoric. Kendrick and Ye still have to tow a line of career solvency which dictates what they're allowed to say (i.e. what conservative American culture is willing to hear).
Word, that brought me back to the good old days.
No. Shes all spectacle. The interest in her is fleeting and not based in sincerity.
Damn enzo you listened to that interview again just to support your argument. That dedication.
I didn't do it to rub it in overcast's face or something, just to get a better context for the whole appropriation thing. And yeah, he still did a better job than the New Black or w/e.
I don't really have difficulty following what he says. I don't know, sometimes I think the difference between being labelled a Ye stan and not a Ye stan is whether you think he's self aware or not.. when he's unarguably open about his own flaws (self-righteousness/belief that he knows best, him being cultured into materialism, him being scatterbrain when he tries to explain things) and if you are capable of divorcing what he's trying to say from his ego. Maybe I sympathize because I'm a terrible writer.
Yeah, but ultimately we are all responsible for packaging and presenting the things we have to say. I'm not your mother; I rarely have the motivation to care about wading through overexposed facets of ego/personality to sift for the gold. I'm not saying Kanye can't speak at all (not sure where you got that from) in fact I think he's in the ideal position to speak as someone who both creates and fosters black culture as an artist and distributes it as an 'executive'. I'm just saying that me and others
possibly from a neckbeard background
As a lower level introductory argument I don't recall thinking it was great either.
Its pretty easy to. Folks just want to play dumb about it.
Basically boils down to oppression being a state of mind and you can improve that by changing your attitude and outlook on things.
PhoenixDark
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Nah, not gonna give Kanye a pass. He's an egomaniac who has been making ridiculous comparisons and analogies for years. There's racism in the fashion world but Kanye will never get a pass for his lazy slavery comparisons.
Banks is driven entirely by hate, jealousy, and discontent...no point in addressing her. Kendrick deserves an L, sure. You can't go on a "pro black" back-to-Africa music turn and then say some shit like that. Even though I do not believe he was suggesting Brown was a thug or deserved to be killed.
Banks is driven entirely by hate, jealousy, and discontent...no point in addressing her. Kendrick deserves an L, sure. You can't go on a "pro black" back-to-Africa music turn and then say some shit like that. Even though I do not believe he was suggesting Brown was a thug or deserved to be killed.
There is still space for La Flame in PD's heart thank god
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