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I've been running for 15 years and never bothered with any GPS devices but I gotta say, the Garmin 230 I just got for Christmas is really awesome and I don't know how I ran without it before.

I always used my phone and Runkeeper which I thought was good enough. But my phone stays in a Spibelt (also highly recommend a Spibelt) and so I never knew my current pace and distance. You can set Runkeeper to tell you those things out loud at intervals, but I didn't like the voice constantly interrupting the podcast or music I was listening to.

But with a watch on your wrist, you can see your current pace at any given time. And I like seeing my current mile split as I complete each mile. I've been trying to run slower lately and always knowing my current pace forces me to slow down if I start going too fast.

But what has really changed is the places I'm running. I used to have several routes that I knew their exact distances, and I never deviated too much from those routes. Now that I know the exact distance I've gone, it's much easier to just run anywhere and always have an idea of how far I've gone (and how far it is back home).

So yeah that Garmin 230 isn't top of the line or anything but it does all I want it to do and I love it. And it's nice how it immediately sends your workout data to Strava and Runkeeper as soon as you're done, via bluetooth.
 
Back from a little break, same problem a lot of you guys have been experiencing - too damn cold out there - which wreaks havoc with my asthma... Also lingering injuries that I hoped might go away with a couple of week's break...

But that's just whining right!?

Nevertheless, I waited until it was a high of 6 degrees this afternoon (it's averaging -2 in the night in London at the mo) and just went out there on one of my usual routes of about 4.5 miles for a leisurely run. Hadn't done the route in ages, even ditched the music back to podcasts, and it felt pretty good!
The right leg is still a bit twinging, and the left hip a little sore too, but I managed first run in a fortnight - pretty happy :) So glad to be back <3
 

JB1981

Member
Ran 4 miles yesterday and 4.3 today. How tired are you new guys to running after a run? I feel like I've been a little moody and tired. I don't feel energized, really. I kind of do about 40 min after a run but later in the day I feel kinda irritable and tired. I def think I'm eating enough too. Is it just a case of the body slowly adapting to the stress of running?
 

Fistwell

Member
Ran 4 miles yesterday and 4.3 today. How tired are you new guys to running after a run? I feel like I've been a little moody and tired. I don't feel energized, really. I kind of do about 40 min after a run but later in the day I feel kinda irritable and tired. I def think I'm eating enough too. Is it just a case of the body slowly adapting to the stress of running?
Yeah sounds like your body is having a moment. A lot of different systems get stimulated when you pick up running, musculo-skeletal, nervous system, lungs, heart, energy circuits, it's a big adjustment at first. But that's good, it means if you give it proper rest, your body'll (probably?) adapt and get stronger.

moody ... irritable
Then again, you could just be slowly turning French, who knows.

Gemüsestäbchen;228871869 said:
6 degrees
Jeez, that's downright balmy. Lucky you! (not joking either!!)

So yeah that Garmin 230 isn't top of the line or anything but it does all I want it to do and I love it.
Agreed, I think I have almost the same model (235, think the difference is the HBR monitor), and it does all I need (and probably more that I don't know).
 

JB1981

Member
Yeah sounds like your body is having a moment. A lot of different systems get stimulated when you pick up running, musculo-skeletal, nervous system, lungs, heart, energy circuits, it's a big adjustment at first. But that's good, it means if you give it proper rest, your body'll (probably?) adapt and get stronger.


Then again, you could just be slowly turning French, who knows.


Jeez, that's downright balmy. Lucky you! (not joking either!!)


Agreed, I think I have almost the same model (235, think the difference is the HBR monitor), and it does all I need (and probably more that I don't know).


You think I would be better off taking a rest day after each run day? Like a Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat schedule ?
 

Fistwell

Member
You think I would be better off taking a rest day after each run day? Like a Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat schedule ?
I don't know exactly what your schedule is or what you're running, what's your experience, age, etc., but as a rule of thumb you kinda want to make sure you give enough time and rest to your body for recovery. If you don't: 1) you won't improve, 2) you'll burn out, 3) you'll injure yourself.

When to take a day off is different for everyone and not a science (too many variables are impossible to accurately measure). I think most (normal) people try to have at least one day off/week. After a time you get better at reading your body. If you have a heartbeat rate monitor, it helps to keep an eye on resting heart rate. An elevated number (for several days, not going back down like it should) means overtraining, usually.

In your case, if you're not sure, and if you feel some general fatigue and/or weird mood swings, easing off a bit is probably the right call. Slow it down for a week or two and see how that goes.

Alternately, the violent mood swings could mean you're a mexican woman (my wife is mexican, I know what I'm talking about here!).
 

JB1981

Member
I don't know exactly what your schedule is or what you're running, what's your experience, age, etc., but as a rule of thumb you kinda want to make sure you give enough time and rest to your body for recovery. If you don't: 1) you won't improve, 2) you'll burn out, 3) you'll injure yourself.

When to take a day off is different for everyone and not a science (too many variables are impossible to accurately measure). I think most (normal) people try to have at least one day off/week. After a time you get better at reading your body. If you have a heartbeat rate monitor, it helps to keep an eye on resting heart rate. An elevated number (for several days, not going back down like it should) means overtraining, usually.

In your case, if you're not sure, and if you feel some general fatigue and/or weird mood swings, easing off a bit is probably the right call. Slow it down for a week or two and see how that goes.

Alternately, the violent mood swings could mean you're a mexican woman (my wife is mexican, I know what I'm talking about here!).

Experience: novice
Age: 35
Goal: half marathon April 22nd
Run Schedule: Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun

This week I ran:

1/14 2.5 miles
1/15 3.0 miles
1/17 2.5 miles
1/19 4 miles
1/21 4 miles
1/22 4.3 miles
 
Experience: novice
Age: 35
Goal: half marathon April 22nd
Run Schedule: Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun

This week I ran:

1/14 2.5 miles
1/15 3.0 miles
1/17 2.5 miles
1/19 4 miles
1/21 4 miles
1/22 4.3 miles

I think running 4 days a week is sensible. Also mix up things a little pace-wise, don't just go out and run at the same speed every time as you'll tire yourself easier that way. Your shorter 2.5 mile runs push a little more and 4+ miles slow it down a little. You could also try mixing up the time of day you run and see what suits you best. I'm more of a morning runner, I feel terrible running in the evening.
 

fester

Banned
So I screwed up and assumed the Chicago Marathon lottery was going to be in the spring like it was last year. Nope, they decided to have it four months earlier and I'm already SOL. Somehow I missed the info despite all the running news I subscribe to. Ugh.

Has anyone ever done the charity option for a marathon? I'm concerned about trying to raise a couple thousand dollars just to run in a race...
 

JB1981

Member
I think running 4 days a week is sensible. Also mix up things a little pace-wise, don't just go out and run at the same speed every time as you'll tire yourself easier that way. Your shorter 2.5 mile runs push a little more and 4+ miles slow it down a little. You could also try mixing up the time of day you run and see what suits you best. I'm more of a morning runner, I feel terrible running in the evening.

Ok I will definitely start mixing up distance and push the pace more on my shorter runs. I run either on my lunch break at work or after work around 5pm. I much prefer the afternoon run. I sleep better at night

How bout this for the next couple weeks.

Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun
Short/Long/Short/Long
2.5miles, 5m, 2.5m, 5m

And then increase that bit by bit as I get nearer to my race in April?
 

Gowans

Member
No problem. Strava links with myfitnesspal as well and you can use tapiriik to transfer all your endomondo data to strava. segments is the reason for using strave. Make your own if your local lap/hill isn't a segment yet(keep them private if they're not interesting to other people, and please read a guide on how to make them before you do anything.)
Thanks for the tips, connected to my fitness pal and syncing on tapiriik to use Strava moving forward.
 
Ok I will definitely start mixing up distance and push the pace more on my shorter runs. I run either on my lunch break at work or after work around 5pm. I much prefer the afternoon run. I sleep better at night

How bout this for the next couple weeks.

Tues/Thurs/Sat/Sun
Short/Long/Short/Long
2.5miles, 5m, 2.5m, 5m

And then increase that bit by bit as I get nearer to my race in April?

Sounds good to me, mixing up pace and distance is important. If you're aiming for a Half I'd recommend getting your long run up to at least 10 miles by April, maybe 11. and your shorter runs can be 4 miles-ish.
 
What's a good Nike running shoe?

I'm thinking about getting a pie of Pegasus to run in.

I wasn't a fan of the Pegasus when I tried it on.

I am currently using the Nike Air Zoom Elite 7, which I am not a fan of, but it was the one that Nike recommended to me in store.

When is starts to warm up I am defo going back to wearing flyknit. I just love how light they feel. I think i will go with the streak. Shame Korea no longer stokes the flyknit racer. It felt like I was running in nothing.
 

JB1981

Member
Ugh the sides of my knee hurt like a mofo. It's the same exact spot on both knees. Am I already getting runners knee? I just friggin started
 
Ugh the sides of my knee hurt like a mofo. It's the same exact spot on both knees. Am I already getting runners knee? I just friggin started

Inside of your knees or outside? Outside means you probably need to loosen your hips, stretch, foam roller, general hip exercises etc. A lot of outside of the knee pain comes from problems in the hip area. Inside is probably your glutes and hamstrings that need strengthening. Don't increase your mileage too quickly.
 

panda-zebra

Member
Ugh the sides of my knee hurt like a mofo. It's the same exact spot on both knees. Am I already getting runners knee? I just friggin started

Also maybe 1 day rest isn't enough. When I started I'd get lots of instances of matching pains, think it was when I did too much (either at once or in total over a period), getting those I assumed they weren't injuries but just my legs getting used to these new tasks I was setting them.
 

JB1981

Member
Inside of your knees or outside? Outside means you probably need to loosen your hips, stretch, foam roller, general hip exercises etc. A lot of outside of the knee pain comes from problems in the hip area. Inside is probably your glutes and hamstrings that need strengthening. Don't increase your mileage too quickly.

Outside. Like the boney joint just below and to the outside of both knees. Should I avoid running on sidewalks and paved streets?
 
Gear question. My running club is no longer providing cups at water stops. Any recommendations for a good collapsible cup or pouch? I actually may even take a water bottle recommendation as I hate my belt with 2 water bottles.
 

Madouu

Member
I think it's time for me to start running again.

A year ago, I managed to go from a completely sedentary lifestyle to being able to run 15km very comfortably, it was something I was very proud of.

Sadly, an angle injury and then moving to a different country meant my lifestyle reverting back to complete physical inactivity. The fact that the city I live in currently is very polluted and security is not great did not help. Before, I could run to a park 5 minutes away at any time of the day, now the closest running spot is at about an hour in public transport. I feel bad about it because there are very few things I enjoy as much as running.

Still, no matter, I'm at the point where I think that running in any shape or form is better than just sitting idly so I think I'm going to start doing laps around the neighborhood early in the morning before traffic picks up and see how that goes. Maybe go to the running spot once or twice a week when I have a bit of free time.

Posting this here for a bit of extra motivation, hopefully I can do it!
 
I think it's time for me to start running again.

A year ago, I managed to go from a completely sedentary lifestyle to being able to run 15km very comfortably, it was something I was very proud of.

Sadly, an angle injury and then moving to a different country meant my lifestyle reverting back to complete physical inactivity. The fact that the city I live in currently is very polluted and security is not great did not help. Before, I could run to a park 5 minutes away at any time of the day, now the closest running spot is at about an hour in public transport. I feel bad about it because there are very few things I enjoy as much as running.

Still, no matter, I'm at the point where I think that running in any shape or form is better than just sitting idly so I think I'm going to start doing laps around the neighborhood early in the morning before traffic picks up and see how that goes. Maybe go to the running spot once or twice a week when I have a bit of free time.

Posting this here for a bit of extra motivation, hopefully I can do it!


Welcome back! Please feel free to download strava and join the GAF running club.
 
Cycled into town today as a bit of crosstraining, 11 miles into central London - really slow on my old jank bike and on some pretty yucky roads - but physically it great. Cheated a bit on the way back and took a train I could stow my bike in, but I had to make some meetings.
My right leg even feels much better, so maybe something to crosstraining afterall!
I'm going to try to run tomorrow and slowly get back in it...

I have a odd 10K that I signed up for on the 19th Feb. - a "secret run" - as I'm partial to immersive theatre / puzzle room stuff, so my mates are going to run a probably leisurely 10K and solve some crimes along the way haha.
First one of the 2017 season - excited!
 
Completed my first interval workout of the season with my pace group. Man that was a workout! Was amazing is last season I actually wasn't able to complete this interval (Strava actually matched my run tonight with it). Tonight I was the fastest runner in the group! So for those just started out be motivated in knowing you get better faster than you think.
 

titch

Member
Anyone else here train for triathlons.

Im one of the slowest in the club - but by far running is my worst im still struggling along at 8m+ miles and still not managed to break the 25m barrier for 5k

Ive been concentrating on zone 2 runs for he past 6-9 month using the 80/20 rule but have found if anything ive got slower for most of my efforts.

Just wondered if anyone else has experiences something similar and had any tips/ideas?
 
Shit, fell hard on the cement last night during an easy-paced run and the wound is still stinging today. Looks like a rest day for me :/....
 

panda-zebra

Member
Gemüsestäbchen;229008017 said:
I have a odd 10K that I signed up for on the 19th Feb. - a "secret run" - as I'm partial to immersive theatre / puzzle room stuff, so my mates are going to run a probably leisurely 10K and solve some crimes along the way haha.
First one of the 2017 season - excited!

That sounds like a ton of fun - happy sleuthing!

Ive been concentrating on zone 2 runs for he past 6-9 month using the 80/20 rule but have found if anything ive got slower for most of my efforts.

What are you doing for the 20? I'm not a massive fan of low intensity stuff, it's just not that enjoyable and I find it very hard to stick to unless I'm with someone else to chat to and force it. When I was trying to work towards longer distances I neglected the faster stuff too much and everything just felt meh, so maybe mix it up a bit more somehow? Do a parkrun on a Saturday if you have one nearby - a free5k race every week, running with others and pushing yourself, I love it. That and some hill sprints or intervals mid-week along with your LSR boring stuff either side.

Shit, fell hard on the cement last night during an easy-paced run and the wound is still stinging today. Looks like a rest day for me :/....

/o\ Heal quick. I managed to pick up a virus via my son and his school friends, 2nd time something has set me back on a faster 5k plan, so I'm just sacking that off now, it's not going to happen. Marathon in 10 weeks, was going to just turn up and have a go, instead when I'm over the manflu going to work towards doing that decently instead. BTW, that Strava premium thing has expired, good while it lasted at least!
 
/o\ Heal quick. I managed to pick up a virus via my son and his school friends, 2nd time something has set me back on a faster 5k plan, so I'm just sacking that off now, it's not going to happen. Marathon in 10 weeks, was going to just turn up and have a go, instead when I'm over the manflu going to work towards doing that decently instead. BTW, that Strava premium thing has expired, good while it lasted at least!

Same thing happened to me a few weeks (6-7) before CIM last year....got either a stomach flu or food poisoning...not sure which and shot from 135 to 110 pounds overnight. Good luck recovering!

Yah, I noticed that it expired. Now I'm debating if I want to pay, but the only interesting feature that I miss is the dashboard goal graph haha.
 
I hope everyone recovers from their bumps and flus quickly.

Was finally able to get back out on the road today. The temp had been a constant -7 to -15 since the snow fall last Friday, so he didn't really melt much. Finally, the roads looks good last night and decided to go for it this morning.

Took it slowly for the first 2K and then upped my pace for the final 3K and felt great. I think it was my fascination of things est 5k of the last few months and would have been back under 25 if I had more confidence in the road to start with.

A question about Strava. I use a third party site to upload my Nike times from my Apple Watch, and the Strava times are always slower and the distances shorter. Why is this?

Nike says my pace was 5:01, but Strava says it was 5:17.
 

Fistwell

Member
I hope everyone recovers from their bumps and flus quickly.

Was finally able to get back out on the road today. The temp had been a constant -7 to -15 since the snow fall last Friday, so he didn't really melt much. Finally, the roads looks good last night and decided to go for it this morning.

Took it slowly for the first 2K and then upped my pace for the final 3K and felt great. I think it was my fascination of things est 5k of the last few months and would have been back under 25 if I had more confidence in the road to start with.

A question about Strava. I use a third party site to upload my Nike times from my Apple Watch, and the Strava times are always slower and the distances shorter. Why is this?

Nike says my pace was 5:01, but Strava says it was 5:17.
Good job on getting out there, wish I was as diligent as you.

Regarding the pace showing up differently in different places, it's hard to know for sure without cracking open the GPS file and looking at data points. What it's down to, ultimately, is that different places process GPS data in different ways. Looking at your path in strava, it shows the trajectory cutting through buildings on many corners, so strava in essence thinks you ran less than you actually did (if you fit the trajectory back to actual roads, its length would be greater). Not sure why it fucked it up so bad. Trajectory looks rough in places (not many data points).
 
When to my local Nike shop and tried on the Streaks. Sadly, living in Korea and it not being a flagship store, they didn't have my size in. They were just a tad too tight. Gonna go to the flagship store and try them on. They felt so light.

Good job on getting out there, wish I was as diligent as you.

Regarding the pace showing up differently in different places, it's hard to know for sure without cracking open the GPS file and looking at data points. What it's down to, ultimately, is that different places process GPS data in different ways. Looking at your path in strava, it shows the trajectory cutting through buildings on many corners, so strava in essence thinks you ran less than you actually did (if you fit the trajectory back to actual roads, its length would be greater). Not sure why it fucked it up so bad. Trajectory looks rough in places (not many data points).

Cheers.

Yeah, I was kinda guessing that. It is just a shame because I was really pumped after my run and then saw the Strava data and was like "well maybe I didn't run as well as I thought."

However, my Nike data is pretty consistent, so I am happy with my run today.
 

titch

Member
What are you doing for the 20? I'm not a massive fan of low intensity stuff, it's just not that enjoyable and I find it very hard to stick to unless I'm with someone else to chat to and force it. When I was trying to work towards longer distances I neglected the faster stuff too much and everything just felt meh, so maybe mix it up a bit more somehow? Do a parkrun on a Saturday if you have one nearby - a free5k race every week, running with others and pushing yourself, I love it. That and some hill sprints or intervals mid-week along with your LSR boring stuff either side.

A couple of days a week i was either doing faster stuff or hill repeats. I think my biggest problem was the winter hitting so it was losing the consistency with the faster workouts

I dont mind the low intensity stuff but i was running then walking, rinse/repeat just to keep the heart rate in the correct zone

I've thrown that out the window for now and am looking to keep at a relatively slow pace with good technique in the hope that it all comes together.

I think sometimes its difficult to stick to a long term plan when you dont see any immediate positive results and in some cases negative reactions
 
Rained last night and then was ice by morning.

Was pretty treacherous out there, so I decided to take it slow and try to build my miles up, when it became obvious after the first K that I would not be able to run fast.

Gonna have a rest this weekend a it is Lunar New Year and I am gonna go snowboarding. Will try and go for a run on Monday or Tuesday, depending on how my thighs feels after snowboarding.
 

eot

Banned
There's a marathon in my city in three months, I'm debating whether I should sign up for the half or not. Haven't been running much the past few months, I could probably do 7-8km if pushed myself right now. Do you guys think it's doable? I don't care that much about the time, but the longest race I've done is a 10k.
 
I'm running my first 10k race tomorrow morning and looking forward to it. What do you guys normally do the day before a race in terms of running? I'm thinking I do a light 2-3 mile jog and make myself some pasta for dinner.
 

Fistwell

Member
I'm running my first 10k race tomorrow morning and looking forward to it. What do you guys normally do the day before a race in terms of running? I'm thinking I do a light 2-3 mile jog and make myself some pasta for dinner.
I do nothing. I do a shorter-than-usual tempo 2 days out, then nothing. Good luck on your race! :)

10K is a beautiful distance to race.
 
I do nothing. I do a shorter-than-usual tempo 2 days out, then nothing. Good luck on your race! :)

10K is a beautiful distance to race.

I didn't run yesterday and I didn't want to take two days off in a row. Maybe I'll just go for a walk.

I'm hoping for sub-50 which I can do, but it depends on how hilly the course is.
 

Fistwell

Member
I didn't run yesterday and I didn't want to take two days off in a row. Maybe I'll just go for a walk.

I'm hoping for sub-50 which I can do, but it depends on how hilly the course is.
I think a lot of people do run a few easy miles with some strides. (That just never did anything for me, so eventually I decided to just rest.)
 
I'm running my first 10k race tomorrow morning and looking forward to it. What do you guys normally do the day before a race in terms of running? I'm thinking I do a light 2-3 mile jog and make myself some pasta for dinner.

I usually just take a walk the day before a race. Maybe a really easy couple-mile run if it's a long distance race. Usually walking though. Active rest is a good thing.
 
I'm running my first 10k race tomorrow morning and looking forward to it. What do you guys normally do the day before a race in terms of running? I'm thinking I do a light 2-3 mile jog and make myself some pasta for dinner.

Rest, basically. If I do anything leg related it's mostly walking.

Good luck on your race!
 

panda-zebra

Member
There's a marathon in my city in three months, I'm debating whether I should sign up for the half or not. Haven't been running much the past few months, I could probably do 7-8km if pushed myself right now. Do you guys think it's doable? I don't care that much about the time, but the longest race I've done is a 10k.

I'd do the half with a smile, knowing I'd still be good to go a week later :)

I'm running my first 10k race tomorrow morning and looking forward to it. What do you guys normally do the day before a race in terms of running? I'm thinking I do a light 2-3 mile jog and make myself some pasta for dinner.

What they said. I've tried to jog a parkrun or something and it takes the edge off the run the next day.
 
Ran an official race time of 46:40! My tracker didn't t put it at 6.2 miles, but the GPS probably didn't pick up on a lot of the small turns on the course. Great race and I got to celebrate with pizza and beer after without my stomach getting upset!
 
Ran an official race time of 46:40! My tracker didn't t put it at 6.2 miles, but the GPS probably didn't pick up on a lot of the small turns on the course. Great race and I got to celebrate with pizza and beer after without my stomach getting upset!

Ha I have the same problem, literally none of my PBs have been picked up by the app I used because the distance always comes up slightly short usually because of the corners of courses. Congrats on the PB, next stop sub 45!
 

Aurongel

Member
Running with flat feet is such a struggle for me. The pain becomes immense to the point where running for further than a mile at a time makes it difficult to remain standing. It's not even a matter of becoming acclimated, I've run for six months at a time and it still causes immense pain.

Anyone have similar issues?
 

panda-zebra

Member
Ran an official race time of 46:40! My tracker didn't t put it at 6.2 miles, but the GPS probably didn't pick up on a lot of the small turns on the course. Great race and I got to celebrate with pizza and beer after without my stomach getting upset!

Always get my activities with TomTom on Strava measured short. If the activity shows 9.9km, it's set as "race" and there's dozens of others doing the same activity at the same time... well surely they could give you the benefit of any doubt and round it up to obvious race distance when you've got multiple start and end points to work with. It was better using my droid phone - that thing used to sample far less often, but it was so inaccurate that the zig-zags it recorded evened things out and gave race distance or more.

TBF, my TomTom was set to "Laps" for the past year and they only just fixed a bug that cut the last lap of every activity short, so maybe it's not Strava's fault.

I've tried to jog a parkrun or something and it takes the edge off the run the next day.

FFS, after just saying this, the same evening I agreed to go run a fast parkrun the day before a tough hilly 10k...
 

sixghost

Member
Running with flat feet is such a struggle for me. The pain becomes immense to the point where running for further than a mile at a time makes it difficult to remain standing. It's not even a matter of becoming acclimated, I've run for six months at a time and it still causes immense pain.

Anyone have similar issues?

I think the right pair of shoes helps a ton if you have flat feet. I always had problems with anything longer than a couple miles until I went to a running store and had them analyze my gait. They recommended a specific pair of shoes, and now I can't even remember the last time my feet hurt after a run. Also, I don't run with my orthodics in; that just made it worse.
 

Fistwell

Member
Ran an official race time of 46:40! My tracker didn't t put it at 6.2 miles, but the GPS probably didn't pick up on a lot of the small turns on the course. Great race and I got to celebrate with pizza and beer after without my stomach getting upset!
Congrats. That's ~ to a 1h44 semi. You'll crush your 2hr goal this year. KAH-RUH-SHHHHH.
And then I'll say I told you so.
;)
 
Ran an official race time of 46:40! My tracker didn't t put it at 6.2 miles, but the GPS probably didn't pick up on a lot of the small turns on the course. Great race and I got to celebrate with pizza and beer after without my stomach getting upset!

Great job! One of my goals for later this year or next is to try and lower my 10k time myself as well. Congrats :).
 
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