CrimsonFist
Member
I said I think there's a fair chance at least one of the three of you is scum, and I'm voting Flame right now, so yes.
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Gafia 2.5: The Bachelor Party |Mafia OT| One Last Override
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I said I think there's a fair chance at least one of the three of you is scum, and I'm voting Flame right now, so yes.
I think there might be at least one scum in this group.
Currently leaning towards a Zipped/Flame vote, but I'm unsure of who I want to vote for right now.
StarSketch
Banned
It's probably too early to ask, but what is the point of this little survey?
flatearthpandas
Member
Yes, probably
it's too early to ask.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well the only others i have significant suspicions on right now are StarSketch and CrimsonFist, but i also have major doubts about both those suspicions.
Starsketch for the inactivity, but inactive in pretty obvious ways, if it was a scum tactic to try to fade into the background, then it becoming obvious that thats not working.
Crimson for the very shallow scum hunting, which could very well be done to look like he is helping town much more significantly than he actually is, or that could just be how he plays (as several people so far have attested to).
in both cases im more curious to see how they play out, than i am eager to rill them on it right now.
Zipped on the other hand, i feel much more sure about, and i wana see how they act under pressure. so sticking with a vote him for now feels to me like the best way to go.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yes
I assume that my previous statement as to who I believe the scum team is covers this, yes?
(That would be a yes)
Zippedpinhead
Member
Vote Count
Flame_AC (2)
squidyj
CrimsonFist
Kawl_ISC
StanleyPalmtree (2)
cabot
Gorlak
squidyj (2)
Flame_AC
Flame_AC
flatearthpandas
Zippedpinhead (1)
Gorlak
StanleyPalmtree
Sophia (1)
Sophia
Flame_AC
cabot
squidyj
flatearthpandas (0)
cabot
7 votes are needed for majority.
Day 2 ends in:
Flame_AC (2)
CrimsonFist
Kawl_ISC
StanleyPalmtree (2)
cabot
Gorlak
squidyj (2)
Flame_AC
flatearthpandas
Zippedpinhead (1)
StanleyPalmtree
Sophia (1)
squidyj
flatearthpandas (0)
7 votes are needed for majority.
Day 2 ends in:
Can I just take a moment to break off from the... inactive lull we have now and talk about something regarding this game? I apologize, but this has been on my mind for awhile, and I need to get it off my chest.
Something about this game is making me terribly uneasy. Not in the sense of fear, but in the sense of anxiousness. I can't quite put it into words, but I guess the best way to put it is that for a 14 player game, it doesn't actually feel like we're playing with 14 players. I found the Droplet train a bit weird, because Droplet was not among my first lynch choices, and I was actually kind of town reading her at the time.
I get the impression that there's a number of players kind of being off to the side, and just not willing to communicate a bit. Take Star for example. Her posting has been very limited and kind of filler-ish. Let me show what I mean. This is all of her posts from Day 2:
Not a whole lot of conversation. Random speculation about the flavor of night time message, some commentary about her lack of posts, asking for an explanation, a minor attempt at defending me (which I do appreciate), and an easy reply to squidyj's question. There's almost barely any attempt at scum hunting here, or question asking, or anything of the such. I'm not really sure what's going on here Star, but I'd like to see more from you. At the end of Day 1 I called you out on your logic in regards to the Droplet vote, and you expressed worry about making a mistake and getting lynched. I don't know if you're suffering from jitters similar to what I used to suffer from, but if you can, try to push it behind you. One mistake is not the end of the world, and nor is getting lynched, but if you're drawing attention to it and not posting, then that's what other people will see too. I said to Gorlak earlier that I can't win a game of mafia on my own. In light of your case, I'd like to amend that statement to say that we can't win a game of mafia on our own. We need to work with other players, and that includes expressing our opinions on the subject instead of just coasting by.
Star's not the only one who's been inactive on Day 2. We haven't heard much about the game from other players too.
A whole lot of little from Zippedpinhead, and I think he's more suspicious than Star. He's immediately on Squidyj for opening with a Flame_AC vote, but doesn't really follow it up despite Squidyj giving him a reply. His logic for jumping on the Droplet train was pretty silly too. He votes for Stanley with a typo, then a single post from Droplet responding to people and he's suddenly on the switch? Does nobody find that a little bit strange? Next after Gorlak starts questioning his vote and his opinions on stuff, he simply replies that he likes gambits, and assumes that anyone he doesn't agree with is running gambits? Come the fuck on. Where's the logic in that? Just because people are doing things you don't like doesn't mean they're running a gambit, especially Cabot and his miller play which is textbook example of what you're typically suppose to do as a miller. Lastly, and I know I'm guilty of this myself (HI CABOT~!), but the whole "I also didn't find your post worth commenting on, so I didn't" comment really rubbed me the wrong way. If you really feel that way, then just ignore it. If not, respond it with some more honest opinions. :\
Some people questioned my vote on Stanley on Day 1 versus jumping into the three way tie. I can understand the logic there of questioning it, and I've already argued my point to Kawl earlier. But I'd like to also point out Stanley's posts for day 2 as well. I find it unnerving that he doesn't have much of an opinion this late into Day 2.
More random speculation into flavor, which seems to be a common trend among all three of these inactive players. Why is that? Easy pickings to appear active? I dunno. But the real thing that bothers me here is that we're only 17 hours away from the end of Day 2, and all he really had before being called out on it was a gut read on Zipped... whom he also was gunning for on Day 1. And as we see above, Zipped's contribution has not been significantly huge this day. Then there's that fact that when I called him out on his vote on Zipped, the only other two people he mentioned were StarSketch and Crimson. Star for inactivity, which I can kind of understand if he wasn't almost as inactive as she was, and Crimson for "shallow scum hunting", which I don't agree with at all. Crimson has been a bit passive, yes. But he's been here, he's been questioning the right things when he does post, and he's maintained a strong stance that he's talked about before.
In Day 1, Stanley had some more reads then what he's posted in Day 2, and we see some curious details.
Firstly, one of his top town is now dead. One of them he's apparently done a 180 on, with Crimson. and his top scum hasn't really changed significantly. Why the 180 on Crimson, Stanley? He went from your top town to being a suspicious read for shallow scum hunting, despite the fact that, as far as I can tell, Crimson has only increased his posting and scum hunting?
Next, I want to look at someone who a few people have their vote on right now. That being Flame_AC. Immediately noticeable that he has a bit more posts and activity than the other posters.
Immediately throws a vote out on Squidyj without really explain it. When called out on it by Crimson, he jumps to him being an easy lynch for Day 2? As Squidly noted, he was on the lynch train for Droplet on Day 1. His reasons for BEING on that lynch train was because he liked Squidy's argument, and now he's voting against Squidly?
Seems to think Cabot is more confirmed because he's got a "visible status effect." As I said before, I don't think I agree with that logic (why can't cabot be lying about the chip?), but I get where he's coming from
Asks to liven things up, even though at this point time he's largely just been on Squdiyj. Only some commentary on cabot after that. Gorlak is rather quick to call him out on this, and I'm inclined to agree with Gorlak here. He hasn't really been all that active this day, offering some safe opinions without really jumping on anything extensive. Very easy reads for the most part. I don't know what to think of all this, but he doesn't seem to be contributing a lot here. Kind of coasting a bit. I also don't think Kawl's vote is particularly unusual, especially when you list a potential scum team like that.
Lastly, I want to mention something regarding Gorlak that I noticed. Take a look at these posts.
Notice the pattern? The moment Droplet made an ice cream reference, he jumped on her about claiming with ice cream. And not just any claim, but specifically an ordinary one. He suspiciously doesn't want vanilla players to be claiming for whatever reason. Why? He suggests the banana and chip are probably not a second kill in a game the size of 14 players, which I'm inclined to agree with. But he also suggests that one of the claimed items is a roleblock. Note that this point, the two people who have died are both ordinary town too. But here's the real kicker:
The moment I start implying that I may or may not have a power role, Gorlak starts trying to hush me up in the same manner he hushed Droplet up. Not too long after that, he starts going in on me when he wasn't previously.
I think Gorlak knows more about the items than he's letting on, and it's no coincidence that two regular townies have died. And seeing as I don't like being told how to play this game, and we're talking about Ice Cream...
As I told Cabot, I am not a witch. I am a robot.
I am RobotNinjaHornets.
I do not think the item is a roleblock, because I am a vanilla townie and do not have a role to be blocked. I've been debating all day if I want to roleclaim or not, and when I should claim. But my frustration and anxiousness regarding the inactivity have made me decide to be open about it now. I think we need to look carefully at the people who suggested the items are a poison and a roleblock, because I'm feeling confident now that there is at least one scum in there. I don't know if that's Gorlak or not, but I'm not inclined to vote him off today because he's been pretty active despite the above.
I know some people don't like my playstyle and have accused it of being scummy, but what I told Gorlak earlier is what I believe. I am not playing to the best of my game right now, and I know that. With this post I'm making a conscious choice to get some things off my chest and put my thoughts out into the opening. I apologize ahead of time if that causes me to make a mistake, or causes my mislynch. Likewise, I apologize for any errors in this post.
I am undecided on where I want my vote to be, but right now I am leaning heavily towards Zipped and Stanley. We'll see later on. Both of them are unlikely to be scum given Stanley's zealousness towards trying to lynch Zipped.
Something about this game is making me terribly uneasy. Not in the sense of fear, but in the sense of anxiousness. I can't quite put it into words, but I guess the best way to put it is that for a 14 player game, it doesn't actually feel like we're playing with 14 players. I found the Droplet train a bit weird, because Droplet was not among my first lynch choices, and I was actually kind of town reading her at the time.
I get the impression that there's a number of players kind of being off to the side, and just not willing to communicate a bit. Take Star for example. Her posting has been very limited and kind of filler-ish. Let me show what I mean. This is all of her posts from Day 2:
Not a whole lot of conversation. Random speculation about the flavor of night time message, some commentary about her lack of posts, asking for an explanation, a minor attempt at defending me (which I do appreciate), and an easy reply to squidyj's question. There's almost barely any attempt at scum hunting here, or question asking, or anything of the such. I'm not really sure what's going on here Star, but I'd like to see more from you. At the end of Day 1 I called you out on your logic in regards to the Droplet vote, and you expressed worry about making a mistake and getting lynched. I don't know if you're suffering from jitters similar to what I used to suffer from, but if you can, try to push it behind you. One mistake is not the end of the world, and nor is getting lynched, but if you're drawing attention to it and not posting, then that's what other people will see too. I said to Gorlak earlier that I can't win a game of mafia on my own. In light of your case, I'd like to amend that statement to say that we can't win a game of mafia on our own. We need to work with other players, and that includes expressing our opinions on the subject instead of just coasting by.
Star's not the only one who's been inactive on Day 2. We haven't heard much about the game from other players too.
A whole lot of little from Zippedpinhead, and I think he's more suspicious than Star. He's immediately on Squidyj for opening with a Flame_AC vote, but doesn't really follow it up despite Squidyj giving him a reply. His logic for jumping on the Droplet train was pretty silly too. He votes for Stanley with a typo, then a single post from Droplet responding to people and he's suddenly on the switch? Does nobody find that a little bit strange? Next after Gorlak starts questioning his vote and his opinions on stuff, he simply replies that he likes gambits, and assumes that anyone he doesn't agree with is running gambits? Come the fuck on. Where's the logic in that? Just because people are doing things you don't like doesn't mean they're running a gambit, especially Cabot and his miller play which is textbook example of what you're typically suppose to do as a miller. Lastly, and I know I'm guilty of this myself (HI CABOT~!), but the whole "I also didn't find your post worth commenting on, so I didn't" comment really rubbed me the wrong way. If you really feel that way, then just ignore it. If not, respond it with some more honest opinions. :\
Some people questioned my vote on Stanley on Day 1 versus jumping into the three way tie. I can understand the logic there of questioning it, and I've already argued my point to Kawl earlier. But I'd like to also point out Stanley's posts for day 2 as well. I find it unnerving that he doesn't have much of an opinion this late into Day 2.
More random speculation into flavor, which seems to be a common trend among all three of these inactive players. Why is that? Easy pickings to appear active? I dunno. But the real thing that bothers me here is that we're only 17 hours away from the end of Day 2, and all he really had before being called out on it was a gut read on Zipped... whom he also was gunning for on Day 1. And as we see above, Zipped's contribution has not been significantly huge this day. Then there's that fact that when I called him out on his vote on Zipped, the only other two people he mentioned were StarSketch and Crimson. Star for inactivity, which I can kind of understand if he wasn't almost as inactive as she was, and Crimson for "shallow scum hunting", which I don't agree with at all. Crimson has been a bit passive, yes. But he's been here, he's been questioning the right things when he does post, and he's maintained a strong stance that he's talked about before.
In Day 1, Stanley had some more reads then what he's posted in Day 2, and we see some curious details.
Firstly, one of his top town is now dead. One of them he's apparently done a 180 on, with Crimson. and his top scum hasn't really changed significantly. Why the 180 on Crimson, Stanley? He went from your top town to being a suspicious read for shallow scum hunting, despite the fact that, as far as I can tell, Crimson has only increased his posting and scum hunting?
Next, I want to look at someone who a few people have their vote on right now. That being Flame_AC. Immediately noticeable that he has a bit more posts and activity than the other posters.
Immediately throws a vote out on Squidyj without really explain it. When called out on it by Crimson, he jumps to him being an easy lynch for Day 2? As Squidly noted, he was on the lynch train for Droplet on Day 1. His reasons for BEING on that lynch train was because he liked Squidy's argument, and now he's voting against Squidly?
Seems to think Cabot is more confirmed because he's got a "visible status effect." As I said before, I don't think I agree with that logic (why can't cabot be lying about the chip?), but I get where he's coming from
Asks to liven things up, even though at this point time he's largely just been on Squdiyj. Only some commentary on cabot after that. Gorlak is rather quick to call him out on this, and I'm inclined to agree with Gorlak here. He hasn't really been all that active this day, offering some safe opinions without really jumping on anything extensive. Very easy reads for the most part. I don't know what to think of all this, but he doesn't seem to be contributing a lot here. Kind of coasting a bit. I also don't think Kawl's vote is particularly unusual, especially when you list a potential scum team like that.
Lastly, I want to mention something regarding Gorlak that I noticed. Take a look at these posts.
Notice the pattern? The moment Droplet made an ice cream reference, he jumped on her about claiming with ice cream. And not just any claim, but specifically an ordinary one. He suspiciously doesn't want vanilla players to be claiming for whatever reason. Why? He suggests the banana and chip are probably not a second kill in a game the size of 14 players, which I'm inclined to agree with. But he also suggests that one of the claimed items is a roleblock. Note that this point, the two people who have died are both ordinary town too. But here's the real kicker:
The moment I start implying that I may or may not have a power role, Gorlak starts trying to hush me up in the same manner he hushed Droplet up. Not too long after that, he starts going in on me when he wasn't previously.
I think Gorlak knows more about the items than he's letting on, and it's no coincidence that two regular townies have died. And seeing as I don't like being told how to play this game, and we're talking about Ice Cream...
As I told Cabot, I am not a witch. I am a robot.
I am RobotNinjaHornets.
I do not think the item is a roleblock, because I am a vanilla townie and do not have a role to be blocked. I've been debating all day if I want to roleclaim or not, and when I should claim. But my frustration and anxiousness regarding the inactivity have made me decide to be open about it now. I think we need to look carefully at the people who suggested the items are a poison and a roleblock, because I'm feeling confident now that there is at least one scum in there. I don't know if that's Gorlak or not, but I'm not inclined to vote him off today because he's been pretty active despite the above.
I know some people don't like my playstyle and have accused it of being scummy, but what I told Gorlak earlier is what I believe. I am not playing to the best of my game right now, and I know that. With this post I'm making a conscious choice to get some things off my chest and put my thoughts out into the opening. I apologize ahead of time if that causes me to make a mistake, or causes my mislynch. Likewise, I apologize for any errors in this post.
I am undecided on where I want my vote to be, but right now I am leaning heavily towards Zipped and Stanley. We'll see later on. Both of them are unlikely to be scum given Stanley's zealousness towards trying to lynch Zipped.
StarSketch
Banned
Interesting thoughts on Gorlak...
Perhaps he is the one giving fruit? Because bananas split? I dunno, weird barely relevant connection there but it's something I guess? I don't know if there would be a role that can tell who is a vanilla player though. I think Gorlak might just be thinking that someone saying they're vanilla town makes them a target for scum..... But aren't townies with role powers a higher priority for scum to take out?
As for my inactivity. I've just been struggling to pull out conversation points. the fact that the game is so quiet isn't helping lol.
Perhaps he is the one giving fruit? Because bananas split? I dunno, weird barely relevant connection there but it's something I guess? I don't know if there would be a role that can tell who is a vanilla player though. I think Gorlak might just be thinking that someone saying they're vanilla town makes them a target for scum..... But aren't townies with role powers a higher priority for scum to take out?
As for my inactivity. I've just been struggling to pull out conversation points. the fact that the game is so quiet isn't helping lol.
StarSketch
Banned
I am a bit nervous still but I'm gonna still try to push through this one.
flatearthpandas
Member
Whether you're a vanilla or not, I guess I don't see what that has to do with the banana being a roleblock? Not that i see the logic in it being a role block either.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
my suspicion on crimson now is partly because of how i read him town on day 1.
before i hadnt looked particularly closely at Crimson, and the general read i got from him was that he was a very helpful townie.
but recently i went through looking more specifically at his posts, and seeing them in that light left quite a different impression, and all i can use to describe that impresion is 'shallow'. Helpful questions and observations, but they just never seemed to really go anywhere, but (to me at least) they gave a feeling of being more usefull that it they really were.
or maybe im just being paranoid because i overestimated my read on him.
this is a suspicion, not a scum read. its a theory that i will need a lot more information on before i could come to any conclusion about it. thats kinda why i initially didn't want to voice this suspicion this early, but everyone increasing suspicion of inactivity means that really isnt much of an option anymore.
I mean I put my reasoning in the quoted post, buddy.
I'd lean yes on answer to your question, squidy. But there's a few caveats that doesnt make it definitive
1) zipped i always read as scum, blind spot.
2) good chance you are scum.
3) I also have trouble reading Flame and tend to read him scum more than not.
That's some nuance, how about a poem as well?
I am Gorlak
My name's Cabot
I hate poetry
I do not
1) zipped i always read as scum, blind spot.
2) good chance you are scum.
3) I also have trouble reading Flame and tend to read him scum more than not.
That's some nuance, how about a poem as well?
I am Gorlak
My name's Cabot
I hate poetry
I do not
flatearthpandas
Member
Sorry for the useless post, but had to say bravo to that poem. I'll try to contribute more as soon as i get home.
Yes.
flatearthpandas
Member
Not sure i like this directing of the vote. You can believe there are scum there (statistically one in four of us are scum anyway; possibly one in three) but be more sure about someone else.
Sophia your claim is dumb and was unasked for. You continue to show some really weird logic. You claim that I go after all vanilla town roles because that helps ... somehow... ...no, this doesn't make sense.
Ordinaries are the shield for Power Roles. If you give away that your role is basically useless, like you just did, scum would simply target somebody else in hopes of killing a power role. If you are telling the truth, you automatically raised the chance that we will face a dead PR tomorrow. That's what I believe and stated throughout the game. The only benefit in being ordinary is not revealing this fact in hopes that scum target you instead of a PR.
Where is the connection between the one and the other?
I said earlier that I can't read you. Than you posted more and I started to form an opinion about you. You act suspicious and I brought that up.
Please explain this logic please. Are you saying I'm scum and want to take out all the vanilla roles because... ? What? Are you saying I know more about the items and that's why two ordinaries are dead? What? Please, I really don't understand.
This doesn't make sense at all either.
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It's a holiday over here, I'll be back later.
Ordinaries are the shield for Power Roles. If you give away that your role is basically useless, like you just did, scum would simply target somebody else in hopes of killing a power role. If you are telling the truth, you automatically raised the chance that we will face a dead PR tomorrow. That's what I believe and stated throughout the game. The only benefit in being ordinary is not revealing this fact in hopes that scum target you instead of a PR.
Where is the connection between the one and the other?
I said earlier that I can't read you. Than you posted more and I started to form an opinion about you. You act suspicious and I brought that up.
Please explain this logic please. Are you saying I'm scum and want to take out all the vanilla roles because... ? What? Are you saying I know more about the items and that's why two ordinaries are dead? What? Please, I really don't understand.
This doesn't make sense at all either.
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It's a holiday over here, I'll be back later.
flatearthpandas
Member
Also, Royal isn't in the three. Want to talk about it? Even if he hasn't responded, he's not one of your three. But then, how do you feel, squidy?
flatearthpandas
Member
Agree with gorlak for the record. Wondering why this needs to be explained. What am i missing?
flatearthpandas
Member
Except this part.
This is a "gorlak being gorlak" meta discussion. But i don't think sophia calling out gorlak jumping on all potential claims, vanilla or otherwise, is particularly scummy. At least someone should be calling it out. Quiet breadcrumbs are whatever, but i like to err more on give all projected info to everyone. Keeping quiet runs the risk of a pr missing it and scum catching it.
But my "gorlak is gorlak" impression after, well, i guess, every game I've played, is that Gorlak chases minutiae others dismiss. and I don't think that's always a bad thing. Particularly here, i appreciate it.
And it's so doubtful about the role info. Even if gorlak is scum, and I've seen him play the same as both neutral and town so i have no idea--could be, maybe likely is, the same as scum--even if he is a vanilla role cop, which is traditionally town, we're all still on fairly limited info except the scum team knowing each other.
flatearthpandas
Member
Why?
flatearthpandas
Member
To be fair, a vanilla should endeavor to be a pr read imo. I've been flip-flopping on sophia. Right now, i think she's town though.
Top 3 town:
Gorlak
Somhia
Idk
Scum:
Squidy
Royal
Kawl/Cabot
Flame, i get why others would be suspicious but i don't have it. Him and Zipped are about equal on posts and read through them, and I'm torn between zipped and squid tbh (zipped not in my list because i do think it's one or the other). Not solid either. Would be an epic fuck up if we passed for some random (like droplet, you assholes) and missed two. Zipped brought that up, not sure why, when he was on the chopping block. Assume he doesn't mean himself, so let's get some color by numbers explanation, huh?
Top 3 town:
Gorlak
Somhia
Idk
Scum:
Squidy
Royal
Kawl/Cabot
Flame, i get why others would be suspicious but i don't have it. Him and Zipped are about equal on posts and read through them, and I'm torn between zipped and squid tbh (zipped not in my list because i do think it's one or the other). Not solid either. Would be an epic fuck up if we passed for some random (like droplet, you assholes) and missed two. Zipped brought that up, not sure why, when he was on the chopping block. Assume he doesn't mean himself, so let's get some color by numbers explanation, huh?
flatearthpandas
Member
You girls literally have no idea how much editing was involved in making sure Sophia's name was typed correctly. What a fuck up.
Disagree, though surely we both agree claiming ordinary out of nowhere is just bad play if Town?
I think she saw the winds were uncertain and it could swing against her, so she got an early claim out to try and erase suspicion.
Royal_Flush
Member
Sorry for literally not posting the last 36 or so hours, Wednesday and (to a lesser extent) Friday are my busy days...
Anyway, Sophia, other people have already pointed that out, but I'll just rephrase it in the clearest way possible: How is Scum supposed to know what role you have? Therefore, how does you being Vanilla influence the chance of the banana being a roleblock?
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In fact I don't even see why Flame_AC is in there. I'm not saying he isn't Scum (he's quite suspicious in my books; coasting hard), but as far as I'm seeing this you're going after early Droplet voters with this? Why would there be a train if neither you nor Zipped are Scum?
vote: Zippedpinhead
Way less useful contributions today than squidyj (who I'm still kind of unsure of tbh)
Well, I guess that's for inactivity and I kind of deserve it tbh.
Anyway, Sophia, other people have already pointed that out, but I'll just rephrase it in the clearest way possible: How is Scum supposed to know what role you have? Therefore, how does you being Vanilla influence the chance of the banana being a roleblock?
I disagree. Unless it's a one-shot power having Scum give out stuff with optional use is not useful. Once it's figured out using it does no good, why would anyone do it?
But Flame was his other candidate for D1. It's not some sudden-change-of-opinion-bussing.
I don't know if it matters, but I want to point out that Flame created the tie, not broke it as Cabot already removed his Droplet vote at this point. I broke the tie.see this votecount for reference. (That's why I like the votetool with the postnumbers next to the votes and unvotes
)Yes.
In fact I don't even see why Flame_AC is in there. I'm not saying he isn't Scum (he's quite suspicious in my books; coasting hard), but as far as I'm seeing this you're going after early Droplet voters with this? Why would there be a train if neither you nor Zipped are Scum?
vote: Zippedpinhead
Way less useful contributions today than squidyj (who I'm still kind of unsure of tbh)
Even if you left out Sophia I'm rather surprised that the first two flips we've seen are Vanilla Townies.
...
Well, I guess that's for inactivity and I kind of deserve it tbh.
Royal_Flush
Member
As if Sophia ever played very aggressive... Some people just have their playstyle and can't vary it depending on the usefulness of their Town-Role (If they role Scum things are different, but I think we all know this)
I mean, I get that you're on mobile but could you please make full, coherent sentences? I really struggle to get what you're saying here. What is "passed for some random" supposed to mean?
It surely is.
flatearthpandas
Member
Responding to the second first. What i meant was that if most of us agree we've got at least one scum in the crosshairs, it would be a shame to let them go in another last minute seeing. And we have mostly agreed we have at least one, though the suspicion is pretty split. 1/3 seemed better than 2/9 at the time though statistic l statistically it's the same. When we need to agree on as a vote, maybe the math changes. I'm not the math guyI don't know if it matters, but I want to point out that Flame created the tie, not broke it as Cabot already removed his Droplet vote at this point. I broke the tie.see this votecount for reference. (That's why I like the votetool with the postnumbers next to the votes and unvotes
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I mean, I get that you're on mobile but could you please make full, coherent sentences? I really struggle to get what you're saying here. What is "passed for some random" supposed to mean?
Well it's not exactly that simple. You can think there's a scum in a group of three, but you feel equally suspicious of all 3, you've got an EV of hitting scum 33.3%. But say there is someone outside of that group you feel pretty damn certain is scum, you can have a higher confidence of hitting scum by voting for them.
I feel this is something we conflate a lot sometimes, and it's the disagreement I have with squidys point of questioning anyone who said yea (which was everyone iirc) but pursuing someone out side of the three. Even if it was just two people, you can say yes to that off voting patterns or whatever, but if you are split dead even on which one is scum it can make good logical sense to vote somewhere else you are more suspicious.
I feel this is something we conflate a lot sometimes, and it's the disagreement I have with squidys point of questioning anyone who said yea (which was everyone iirc) but pursuing someone out side of the three. Even if it was just two people, you can say yes to that off voting patterns or whatever, but if you are split dead even on which one is scum it can make good logical sense to vote somewhere else you are more suspicious.
Well an OMGUS reaction certainly helps me look over you better.
I keep going back to when Sophia did all Kawl's defensive work for hm when Flush called him useless, it wasn't a mere statement. It was quoted with evidence. This bugs me.
Now, Kawl or Sophia first is the question?
Kawl attempted to force a tie in D1, and Sophia had the vote outside of all the leaders. Sophia's vote is the more interesting out of the two here.
If we voted one of these two out, who would be missed more if it was a mislynch?
Thoughts going on in my head right now.
I keep going back to when Sophia did all Kawl's defensive work for hm when Flush called him useless, it wasn't a mere statement. It was quoted with evidence. This bugs me.
Now, Kawl or Sophia first is the question?
Kawl attempted to force a tie in D1, and Sophia had the vote outside of all the leaders. Sophia's vote is the more interesting out of the two here.
If we voted one of these two out, who would be missed more if it was a mislynch?
Thoughts going on in my head right now.
Zippedpinhead
Member
One question and a response to cabot's "who would I chose between Sophia and kawl"
Flush, are you looking for a response from me or question? Was this a prod vote? Or am I scum without the possibility of being town.
Cabot, if the vote was a thunder dome between Sophia and kawl with no other options. Based on gameplay so far I would save Sophia and lynch kawl. I feel Sophia (as scum reading of me that she is this game) is far more supportive and structured for town than kawl has been. Kawl has been active but not to Sophia's level. Sophia also has been giving us good reads and insights, I feel that kawl has not been.
Flush, are you looking for a response from me or question? Was this a prod vote? Or am I scum without the possibility of being town.
Cabot, if the vote was a thunder dome between Sophia and kawl with no other options. Based on gameplay so far I would save Sophia and lynch kawl. I feel Sophia (as scum reading of me that she is this game) is far more supportive and structured for town than kawl has been. Kawl has been active but not to Sophia's level. Sophia also has been giving us good reads and insights, I feel that kawl has not been.
Well actually as others have said she often puts together posts that work well as summaries and create mini narratives but has herself said that her ability to draw meaningful conclusions from that is poor.
Number of entries in my notes: (find this a better metric of contributions than just post numbers)
Cabot/Sophia-28 with Sophia's points usually having a bit more meat on them
Squidy-27
Gorlak-25
FEP-19
Royal-10 (usually meaty points as well)
FlameAC-13
Crimson-12
Star-12
Zipped-11
Stanley-10
So I'd agree that Sophia is being active and doing a good job of bringing points up, these numbers doesn't reflect number of meaningful conclusions/firm stances taken though.
If I had to group mine is probably slot around FEP. Gorlak punches above his vote count in terms of points as does Royal. Cabot's noise to sound ratio seems incredibly high but that's the be expected with 2x the number of posts.
Cabot/Sophia-28 with Sophia's points usually having a bit more meat on them
Squidy-27
Gorlak-25
FEP-19
Royal-10 (usually meaty points as well)
FlameAC-13
Crimson-12
Star-12
Zipped-11
Stanley-10
So I'd agree that Sophia is being active and doing a good job of bringing points up, these numbers doesn't reflect number of meaningful conclusions/firm stances taken though.
If I had to group mine is probably slot around FEP. Gorlak punches above his vote count in terms of points as does Royal. Cabot's noise to sound ratio seems incredibly high but that's the be expected with 2x the number of posts.